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* What's up, Mike Hurley? How are we doing? | * What's up, Mike Hurley? How are we doing? | ||
* Good. I got thrown off today by a happy new year when I went to the gym. | * Good. I got thrown off today by a happy new year when I went to the gym. | ||
== New Year Small Talk == | |||
* It's still in play, I believe. This should be the last week. We should be done after this. | * It's still in play, I believe. This should be the last week. We should be done after this. | ||
* If you haven't seen people since the calendars flipped through this week, the next time you see them for the first time this year, the statute of limitations has expired. | * If you haven't seen people since the calendars flipped through this week, the next time you see them for the first time this year, the statute of limitations has expired. | ||
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* Yeah, it's pretty good. | * Yeah, it's pretty good. | ||
* Yep. It's still happening, Mike. | * Yep. It's still happening, Mike. | ||
== Price Increases in 2026 == | |||
* If there was a yearly theme for 2026 so far, it would be the year of price increases. | * If there was a yearly theme for 2026 so far, it would be the year of price increases. | ||
* Would you like to kick it off? | * Would you like to kick it off? | ||
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* So we've talked about last week, we talked about pilot and platinum and how they pilot and platinum each have new and or refreshed slash upcoming entries in the 100 to $150 range that are steel nib pens. | * So we've talked about last week, we talked about pilot and platinum and how they pilot and platinum each have new and or refreshed slash upcoming entries in the 100 to $150 range that are steel nib pens. | ||
* The pilot NS, which has been around, but I think they're going to read, they're redoing it with those translucent barrels and the platinum Biso, which is just, I don't get it. | * The pilot NS, which has been around, but I think they're going to read, they're redoing it with those translucent barrels and the platinum Biso, which is just, I don't get it. | ||
== Sailor 1911 Large Casual Fountain Pen == | |||
* Sailor also has this price range model from our friends over at Colt pens. | * Sailor also has this price range model from our friends over at Colt pens. | ||
* The link is called, I don't know if, I guess this is the official product name. | * The link is called, I don't know if, I guess this is the official product name. | ||
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* But your commentary there about the current listed gold nib prices. | * But your commentary there about the current listed gold nib prices. | ||
* Let's get to that now with these next couple of questions. | * Let's get to that now with these next couple of questions. | ||
== Listener Feedback: Tariffs, Gold Prices, and Retail Pricing == | |||
* So we had two pieces of feedback sent in that I want to read both of them. | * So we had two pieces of feedback sent in that I want to read both of them. | ||
* So this first one comes from Fergal who says, you're both suffering from very understandable | * So this first one comes from Fergal who says, you're both suffering from very understandable | ||
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* the new tariff-induced retail MSRP. | * the new tariff-induced retail MSRP. | ||
* Yeah. | * Yeah. | ||
== Japanese Market Context and Inflation == | |||
* All right. | * All right. | ||
* Context, which I have gotten from a couple of different sources have mentioned this to me. | * Context, which I have gotten from a couple of different sources have mentioned this to me. | ||
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* Not great, Bob. | * Not great, Bob. | ||
* Not great, Bob. | * Not great, Bob. | ||
== Sponsor: Enigma Stationery == | |||
* All right. | * All right. | ||
* You know what is great? | * You know what is great? | ||
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* Our thanks to Enigma Stationary | * Our thanks to Enigma Stationary | ||
* for their support of this show and all of Relay. | * for their support of this show and all of Relay. | ||
== Shout-out of the Week: Carolina Pen Company == | |||
* All right, Mike. | * All right, Mike. | ||
* We got our shout-out of the week. | * We got our shout-out of the week. | ||
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* making things in our community. | * making things in our community. | ||
* Yep. | * Yep. | ||
== Maker Pens and Community Focus == | |||
* And yeah, it's, | * And yeah, it's, | ||
* I think that's going to be important, Mike, | * I think that's going to be important, Mike, | ||
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* in the community. | * in the community. | ||
* Yeah. | * Yeah. | ||
== Secondhand Pens, Vintage, and Mid-tier Steel Nibs == | |||
* And I think it's, | * And I think it's, | ||
* you know, | * you know, | ||
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* So good times, | * So good times, | ||
* Mike. | * Mike. | ||
== Nib Materials: Titanium, Gold, Steel, and Palladium == | |||
* So let's hit this, | * So let's hit this, | ||
* let's hit this feedback | * let's hit this feedback | ||
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* more traditional brands | * more traditional brands | ||
* to do a bit more of that. | * to do a bit more of that. | ||
== Sponsor: Factor == | |||
* I don't know, | * I don't know, | ||
* Mike, | * Mike, | ||
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* of this show | * of this show | ||
* and relay. | * and relay. | ||
== Cleaning Fountain Pens == | |||
* I love cleaning fountain pens, | * I love cleaning fountain pens, | ||
* Mike. | * Mike. | ||
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* because it's really | * because it's really | ||
* pretty simple. | * pretty simple. | ||
== Ultrasonic Cleaner Tips == | |||
* On this topic, | * On this topic, | ||
* Tim wrote in and said, | * Tim wrote in and said, | ||
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* it's a good | * it's a good | ||
* option. | * option. | ||
== RSTPA: Secondhand Pen Buying == | |||
* Do you want | * Do you want | ||
* to do a couple | * to do a couple | ||
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* which I am not | * which I am not | ||
* one. | * one. | ||
== RSTPA: Mechanical and Wooden Pencils == | |||
* And Gregory | * And Gregory | ||
* asks, | * asks, | ||
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* pen addict slash | * pen addict slash | ||
* 698. | * 698. | ||
== Closing Remarks == | |||
* Oh, Brad, it's just | * Oh, Brad, it's just | ||
* around the corner. | * around the corner. | ||
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* Yeah. | * Yeah. | ||
* Maybe. | * Maybe. | ||
== Contact and Outro == | |||
* If you have a | * If you have a | ||
* question you'd like | * question you'd like | ||
Latest revision as of 20:46, 1 June 2026
- From Relay, this is The Pen Addict, episode 698. Today's show is brought to you by Enigma Stationery and Factor. My name is Mike Hurley. I'm joined by Brad Dowdy. Hi, Brad.
- What's up, Mike Hurley? How are we doing?
- Good. I got thrown off today by a happy new year when I went to the gym.
New Year Small Talk[edit]
- It's still in play, I believe. This should be the last week. We should be done after this.
- If you haven't seen people since the calendars flipped through this week, the next time you see them for the first time this year, the statute of limitations has expired.
- I heard somebody say on the podcast yesterday, it is acceptable in single digits in January, which I thought was a really good way of thinking about it.
- So you've basically got one more day in which you can wish somebody a happy new year.
- I think that's a good, good... I was going to just say randomly two weeks, but I like the single digits content better.
- Yeah, it's pretty good.
- Yep. It's still happening, Mike.
Price Increases in 2026[edit]
- If there was a yearly theme for 2026 so far, it would be the year of price increases.
- Would you like to kick it off?
- I would.
- As my notes say, the prices will continue to rise until morale improves, Mike.
- That's where we're at right now.
- And again, like I said last episode, we're going to talk about this a little bit more because everything hasn't been like fleshed out yet.
- But so to a perfect example is Sailor released their increases last week or maybe earlier this week that go into effect February 1st.
- So we have a link in here to a chart.
- And like it's super bad.
- Like I don't know what to say.
- Progear Standard, which is one of the platform pens that if you're a Sailor fan,
- this is the pen, this is the main line.
- This is the one up pen.
- I'll admit that, right?
- It's not the Progear, like the entry level 14K when this is the upgraded, the 21K one.
- But it used to be approximately 246 US dollars, which that price is actually a little bit low.
- I thought they were a little bit higher than that.
- At that price, that 250 price, I think great value pens.
- This is the small one.
- Actually, this Progear Standard is the small one.
- Okay.
- Nevertheless, in my opinion.
- Still, I'm good at 246 US dollars.
- What if I doubled that, Mike?
- What if we had a plus 100% price increase and now that pen is $493?
- I couldn't believe it when I opened this.
- So this is a Reddit thread on r slash fountain pens.
- And this is coming from basic currency conversions from Sailor Japan's new prices.
- Yeah.
- So we get the press release from Sailor.
- It's all in Japanese.
- So we have to do the model conversion to figure out which model is what based on the model number.
- And then the price conversion, which is always fluctuating from yen to USD.
- This is the most shocking so far.
- That Sailor have essentially doubled the price of some of their pens and some of the most popular pens.
- And pens that weren't like $20 to begin with.
- Yeah.
- Like they have the Profit Casual on here, which is a $56 pen.
- That goes up by 25% to $70.
- It's like, okay, that's a price increase, but fine.
- But going from what is essentially $246 to $493 is...
- I think the only word I can use is tragic.
- This is...
- I actually think this is a tragedy we're experiencing now, Brad, to the pen world.
- I don't know what happens from here.
- Like this is...
- So I'm, you know, you know me, right?
- Like I am in many communities, right?
- I am in the tech community and the pen community.
- And I also pay a lot of attention to gaming and Hollywood, right?
- Like they're kind of the areas of interest that I pay attention to as a consumer,
- but also as a person who likes to look at how the businesses run in all of these.
- And every area is experiencing some kind of price increase.
- Pens is where I am seeing the most.
- Like these price increases are absolutely prohibitive.
- Where in other areas, it's like, oh, that's not great.
- But most people who are buying this thing can probably stretch to it if they had to.
- So like, for example, Nintendo Switch, right?
- People are going mental about the prices of Nintendo Switch and the prices of games, right?
- Prices of games going from $60 to $80.
- But I would say that by and large, most people that were buying $60 games on the regular could stretch to $80.
- Like it's not great, but it's fine.
- And also the value I think is still there provided that the game is good.
- But $246 to $493, like that's actually just past the majority of customers' ability to extend.
- Like I would not, would not pay this price.
- Just wouldn't.
- I would not pay $500 for a standard Pro Gear.
- I wouldn't do it.
- Even if I could afford it, I wouldn't do it.
- And I think that is, this is, it's flabbergasting.
- Yeah.
- So, you know, we're going to keep seeing some of this.
- It stinks because this is, I'm guessing that's their single most popular pin.
- You know, if I had to, it's definitely the top one or two sellers.
- Yeah.
- And that one's just getting hit really, really hard with the price increase.
- And it's just right there with the 3776 in my book with where it is no longer worth it to even consider that as an option to purchase.
- So, yeah, it's, but we're starting to get, we're getting, we're going to get a little bit of a through line here in this episode as we, as we go through on to why maybe this is happening.
- Got a little bit of insight.
- Yeah.
- On that.
- But, you know, relative to this, I did get sent a link about sailors.
- So we've talked about last week, we talked about pilot and platinum and how they pilot and platinum each have new and or refreshed slash upcoming entries in the 100 to $150 range that are steel nib pens.
- The pilot NS, which has been around, but I think they're going to read, they're redoing it with those translucent barrels and the platinum Biso, which is just, I don't get it.
Sailor 1911 Large Casual Fountain Pen[edit]
- Sailor also has this price range model from our friends over at Colt pens.
- The link is called, I don't know if, I guess this is the official product name.
- Sailor 1911 large casual fountain pen.
- I love it.
- I love this.
- I love the name.
- I love the look of this pen, Brad.
- This looks fantastic.
- We'll talk about the style.
- What do you think the intention of casual is in this context, Mike?
- It's for filthy casuals.
- It's for people that aren't going to pay $9,000.
- You don't have gold nib money, you filthy casual.
- Filthy casual.
- Now that is a video game term, by the way.
- Yes.
- People who play just mobile games, they're often referred to as filthy casuals.
- It's a little tongue in cheek.
- You don't have that gold nib money.
- So this pen.
- Does anyone, Brad?
- Does anyone have that gold nib money?
- No, that's the point.
- That's literally the rest of this episode that we're going to talk about.
- But this pen and what you're liking about this design is called the ringless model.
- No, what I like is that he's a big boy.
- Yes.
- That's what I like.
- The 1911 L, they make a ringless.
- It's called the ringless model.
- And it formerly just came with gold nibs because it was affordable when they launched it.
- So it does not have the cap band at the end of the barrel.
- Right?
- So that's really the only change.
- And that's the aesthetic difference here.
- But it's an aesthetic that I like.
- When it first came out, I was questioning it.
- Questioning it.
- The more that I got to see them in person, the more I did enjoy this style.
- So this actually of the three, Pilot NS, Platinum Biso, and Sailor Large Casual.
- Only because the name's great.
- I actually think this is probably the best bet.
- I'd be interested to try this nib.
- Sailor's been all over the place with their steel nibs.
- They've done so much better here in the past year.
- And I want to see what nib is on this one and go from there.
- So this one, I would actually be compelled to try.
- I'd probably try the Pilot NS too.
- But we'll get to reasons why I don't necessarily need to do that later.
- I'm really intrigued for what this pen will be like.
- I'm also, I like the colors.
- It's funny to me really like looking at Colt Pens website specifically.
- So this is a 94.50 pounds pen.
- But they have 14 karat gold 1911s for 160.
- We're going to get to that.
- Yeah.
- But it's a very funny, it's a very funny scenario to be in.
- But this, I hope you try this new 1911 because I think that that is a good looking pen.
- And I hope that it lives up to a 94.50 price.
- Yeah.
- And I didn't know they had this model before.
- So I'm interested to see if this is a new model.
- But your commentary there about the current listed gold nib prices.
- Let's get to that now with these next couple of questions.
Listener Feedback: Tariffs, Gold Prices, and Retail Pricing[edit]
- So we had two pieces of feedback sent in that I want to read both of them.
- So this first one comes from Fergal who says, you're both suffering from very understandable
- sticker shock from the increases that you're seeing in prices.
- But I'm just wondering whether you're right to put all of the blame on the higher gold
- prices.
- I'm based in the UK and haven't noticed anything like the same jumps that you have.
- For example, Colt Pens still has the base model 3776 at 180 pounds, including VAT.
- So that's 20%, by the way.
- So that's 20%.
- So essentially, the price that we pay.
- So you know how you might pay in the States, you get taxes added on to a sales tax.
- In the UK, it is included in the list price, a 20% tax.
- It's not added to a price.
- So that is including our 20% sales tax.
- Maybe retailers have just been slower this side of the Atlantic.
- But perhaps this is more of a tariff or dollar thing than just gold.
- And Matt writes in and says, regarding price increases for major manufacturers, are these
- primarily because of tariff costs that the distributors pay and then pass along in the
- retail price?
- I didn't hear you mention tariffs during the episode.
- So it has me wondering if maybe these increases are not related to that.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- So let's take the last part first, then we'll circle back to the current pricing on Colt Pens.
- So are these primarily because of tariff costs that distributors pay and then pass along in
- the retail price?
- So no, because these increases are coming from a corporate entity that has redefined their
- product MSRP.
- And if you're a retailer of these products, to carry this product officially, you must
- abide.
- The dude must abide by the MSRP, Mike.
- And tariffs don't have any relation to that piece of the puzzle.
- Now, where the tariffs might be part of the puzzle is unrelated to the price, but how the
- distributors and retailers work together to determine whose percentage is what, right?
- So those distributors and retailers are going to have a conversation of where costs get
- absorbed that we will never see.
- We're only going to see MSRP, which is dictated by corporate.
- You know, the Sailor press release says our MSRP is $493 for the Pro Gear.
- Like that has complete nothing to do with tariffs, right?
- And so when you see that pin listed in the US at X retailer, you're going to see MSRP $493,
- right?
- There's no tariff involved in that piece of the puzzle.
- I don't understand that, Brad.
- What?
- But like the MSRP is the price to the consumer, right?
- Mm-hmm.
- So the MSRP is the list price.
- Yeah.
- So there's variance.
- But so why would that not include tariffs?
- Tariffs.
- Because the MSRP, so Sailor Japan says the price of my pin is $500.
- How are they including worldwide tariffs into that price based on regions?
- Because they know how much the pen's going to cost to get to America.
- It's not.
- They're not giving the America price.
- They're giving the worldwide price.
- So let me, if you don't mind me correcting you there.
- Okay.
- They didn't say it was $490.
- They said it was whatever yen.
- Right?
- That's the same thing.
- Pick any number you want to use.
- If Sailor is issuing the MSRP price, that is tariff exclusive.
- I don't care what monetary measurement you use.
- Yeah, but.
- If Sailor says my pin should be sold for 500 space credits.
- Yeah.
- The retailer has to legally, to be a Sailor partner, list that pin for 500 space credits.
- I agree with you.
- Tariffs does not hit that piece from Sailor to the price that I see.
- Yeah.
- Where the tariffs hit is the retailer is paying $250 for the $500 pin.
- Yeah.
- And then has to pay more.
- So the retailer will then take a less percentage of their profit.
- Or the distributor.
- I agree with what you're saying.
- That is how it should work.
- And it's how, in theory, it does work.
- The question that I would have is,
- if Sailor corporate is aware of a large percentage of their product
- needing to be more expensive,
- they may increase the MSRP because tariffs exist,
- because otherwise retailers will not buy from them.
- Because if they don't increase the MSRP,
- and that therefore would mean that with tariffs,
- retailers will not make any money,
- they will not buy from them, right?
- Right.
- I agree.
- I understand what you're saying.
- Yeah.
- But what I'm saying is,
- Sailor is not listing an MSRP accounting for a 30% worldwide variance
- in what this pin might be sold for.
- Why?
- Because that's,
- I don't think that's how business works for an MSRP model product.
- But they can't,
- well, they can,
- but they're unlikely to say,
- like, the MSRP is $300,
- but, you know,
- JetPens is going to sell it for $350.
- Because that's what JetPens would, in theory, have to do, right?
- They're not going to make any money from the product.
- Right.
- Hmm.
- I don't know.
- I see what you're saying,
- but I get it.
- So I'm not saying tariffs aren't in place somewhere,
- but I'm saying,
- if the manufacturer says,
- here's my price,
- we're not buffering in that price
- to account for variance of,
- you know,
- 180 different countries' import taxes and tariffs.
- The thing is,
- the 179 of those countries don't matter.
- for how much the tariffs are.
- Mm-hmm.
- Right?
- Like,
- and also has been previously forecast.
- You know what I mean?
- Like,
- yeah,
- I don't know.
- I don't know.
- I see what you're saying,
- but I raise an eyebrow at the idea that they might not take global economic conditions into account when choosing the prices of their pens.
- Because they have to,
- because they have to,
- I don't know.
- are you,
- basically,
- you're saying that Sailor makes,
- Sailor is okay with making more from some purchases from retailers and distributors than others.
- And then in the end,
- it shakes out.
- Absolutely.
- That's what I'm saying.
- Yes.
- Okay.
- Maybe.
- I think,
- I think it's possible.
- Because I think it's what a lot of companies are doing.
- Mm-hmm.
- So then extrapolate that between Sailor,
- Pilot,
- and Platinum,
- and you think they're all doing the same thing.
- Yeah.
- Yes.
- So they're trying to protect the retailer so the retailer can sell more pens.
- Because otherwise they sell no pens.
- Okay.
- If the retailers won't buy the pens from them,
- there's no pens to be sold.
- So if the retailers are communicating with Sailor,
- like this MSRP means we make 1% rather than 25%.
- Mm-hmm.
- It basically means we will,
- we cannot,
- but we cannot afford to buy this product from you anymore at this MSRP.
- So is that why we will then see different prices in different countries below the MSRP?
- So we have a US price that we paid in the US X dollars,
- and then the Malaysian price,
- they paid X minus 20%,
- so therefore the price is lower.
- It gives retailers in other countries the opportunity to look like they're making bigger discounts
- or make more money.
- Right.
- Yeah.
- That would be my theory.
- Mm-hmm.
- Because if this was all gold,
- it's definitely not all gold.
- Nobody would sell at a different price to each other.
- So back to Fergal's point,
- are you putting all the blame on higher gold prices?
- I don't think we're doing that.
- It was really the only thing we spoke about last week, to be honest.
- No, I thought about,
- no, I thought,
- but when you say gold is a much more standout statement than higher manufacturing costs,
- right?
- Yes.
- I say higher manufacturing costs,
- that's just a passive statement,
- but that's part of the problem too.
- But also manufacturing costs increase always,
- right?
- Yeah.
- But there has been an outsized change in the price increase of gold,
- and that explains why some pens are going up at a higher rate than others.
- But my theory on this is it's all of these things.
- It's tariffs, gold, and manufacturing price increases
- that is pushing up prices on products across the board.
- Yep.
- So we have some insight from a Japanese retailer
- that I'm going to read here in a second,
- but the last point that Fergal's making,
- I'm based in the UK and haven't noticed anything like the same jumps as you have,
- but just wait.
- Yeah, because they're selling stuff they already bought.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- They're selling existing stock at the existing price they paid.
- So just hang in there, Fergal.
- You're going to get screwed here in a minute.
- Or don't hang in there.
- Buy now.
- Yeah.
- Because hanging in there might be the problem.
- Oh, Lord, we coming.
- So yeah.
- Don't get too excited about that because that is short-lived.
- If you go to, I'm based in the US clearly,
- and I tend to just generalize my US experience.
- You can go to different retailers right now,
- and there's prices all over the place.
- Yeah.
- Until this all shakes out based on past inventory,
- and then moving that into the current inventory that they've paid,
- the new tariff-induced retail MSRP.
- Yeah.
Japanese Market Context and Inflation[edit]
- All right.
- Context, which I have gotten from a couple of different sources have mentioned this to me.
- And we might just throw out all the conversation we just had,
- but I think it was a good conversation to have.
- So this email is from Josh, who is a small fountain pen maker,
- like what we consider makers in our business,
- say like a Carolina Pen Co., that type of maker in Japan.
- So let me give this perspective from someone in Japan that might help with all of this.
- I was listening to episode 697 in the sticker-shocking segment
- about the price increases from Platinum and Pilot,
- and I can help you understand some of these price increases.
- I have a small business making fountain pens based in Japan,
- so I can provide some direct context towards the cost of doing business in the country.
- As you say, the cost of basic materials such as gold has risen,
- which naturally affects the price,
- though the amount of gold in a pen is pretty small
- and won't account for the kind of huge price increases we see.
- The reason for the price increases of this magnitude
- is years of inflation all striking at the same time.
- For decades in Japan,
- inflation has been something that actually hasn't occurred very much.
- The banking and currency has been extremely stable,
- as has the cost of housing, food, utilities, etc.
- This also means wages have stagnated with no inflation to drive them.
- This was pretty much all fine as it goes until COVID hit.
- It seems like after the blow to tourism and industry in general,
- Japan has no longer been safe from inflation.
- Utilities, housing, food,
- the cost of everything is rising notably.
- And employers are going to have to start raising wages again soon as well.
- All of this increases the final cost of the pen
- because the companies have to maintain a certain amount of margin.
- The issue is that Japanese brands generally resist small incremental price increases,
- preferring to wait to see if the cost stabilizes
- and eating some of the overall profits for a short while
- because they really don't like to make and announce price increases.
- Seriously, brands here have had press releases in years past
- for raising the price of a bag of chips by 20 cents
- where members of the board have bowed deeply in apology to the public.
- It's seen as bad press.
- So the Japanese pen brands have mostly resisted raising the price too much,
- but now we see reality setting in.
- Man, are they bowing now then?
- I don't know what they're doing right now.
- Nobody has stood up at Sailor last week.
- No.
- These price increases are the result of several years of backlog
- of inflationary price increases
- and likely have a couple years of future inflation built in as well
- because they don't want to announce another price increase six months from now.
- Except for Platinum, who did that in 2025.
- This is all coupled with the weakening yen.
- These companies have to do business internationally
- and their money simply is not going as far as it used to.
- Lastly, in my opinion,
- some of the pens you're talking about have been historically undervalued
- to attract more buyers, especially pilot pens.
- The 823 is simply an amazing pen.
- The filling system and nib are top-notch,
- and at its former price point, pound for pound,
- it's smoked pretty much every other pen in its price bracket.
- Even at its current price, it's still a very good pen,
- but of course, if we're used to paying a lower price,
- then we don't want to pay a higher new one.
- As far as the disparity between the Platinum versus Pilot cost increases,
- like you say, that's a strange mismatch,
- and I couldn't be sure.
- Like you, I'm a big fan of these brands
- and audibly gasped at some of the price increases,
- but unfortunately, it does make sense.
- I can only hope secondhand and vintage dealers
- won't raise their prices commensurately too much,
- but time will tell the tale on that one.
- So thank you, John, from Motome Collection.
- We'll get a link in the show notes to John.
- This was very good.
- Very good context.
- I have been told this from different sources that the...
- So broader, what we've been talking about
- the past two or three episodes
- are the big three Japanese companies, right?
- We've been basically having a Japan exclusive conversation,
- and they're being hit with different financial ramifications
- more than just, you know, price of gold go up.
- We charge more, right?
- So they're having to allocate for many, many different reasons
- for increasing the price,
- including being conscious enough
- to purposefully not raise the price
- and eat some cost,
- and hopefully it goes in the right direction.
- And then when it doesn't,
- they put the big number on it,
- which is what we're seeing now.
- I would say that the conversation we were just having
- about tariffs and stuff,
- I think that all fits in this.
- Like, in the sense of like,
- it's not just gold.
- It's not just tariffs.
- It's definitely not just gold.
- It's not just inflation.
- Like, it's...
- All of this stuff is happening at once.
- And from that context,
- which is very good context from Josh,
- you can see why it seems most shocking
- if you've been resisting needed change,
- and then it's gotten to a point
- where you're clearly not going to restore the prices,
- so they've just gone for it.
- In the hopes that...
- But what this does suggest to me, though,
- is something that I was worried about
- and was hoping would not be the case,
- but now I think it will be,
- that these prices will not go down.
- Right.
- I mean, in...
- Yes, they're not going to go down.
- I was trying to be...
- I was going to say something hopeful.
- In like, maybe five or ten years,
- we see like a reset or an introductory...
- Maybe they'll just, you know,
- recycle the product line, right?
- You know, maybe we'll have the Sailor 1911
- large, big, sexy 14K gold nib at $240.
- I don't want them to call it that.
- In 2032, right?
- They're just reversing like some of the damage, right?
- And reintroducing a lower price point pin.
- That could theoretically happen, but...
- Or they hold further price increases
- for a longer period of time,
- so inflation kind of catches up.
- But yeah, my...
- Yeah, but I don't think anyone thinks
- prices are ever coming down with these companies
- because they're publicly traded companies
- and that's not how stock price goes up works.
- My hope was if it was truly a gold problem,
- that if gold price is stabilized, you could,
- but I don't...
- I feel pretty confident that that is not the case.
- It's going to...
- That would end up being a lower percentage
- of the overall increase.
- So I don't...
- I now feel like I understand less
- about what the future is
- and this probably is going to look like
- if these are going to just be the prices.
- Yeah.
- Not great, Bob.
- Not great.
- $400 and $500 entry-level Japanese gold nib pens.
- Not great, Bob.
- Not great, Bob.
Sponsor: Enigma Stationery[edit]
- All right.
- You know what is great?
- I was going to say,
- one of these episodes,
- we don't have to talk about this.
- Hopefully soon.
- But you know what is great, Mike?
- Tell me...
- Tell us all about what is great.
- Our friends at Enigma Stationery
- who are bringing this episode to you.
- Enigma Stationery offer unique items
- made from in-house designs
- along with top brands
- and hard-to-find imports.
- The unique items that you will find
- at Enigma Stationery
- is to me what makes them so special.
- Both Brad and I were poking through today
- and I wanted to mention two things
- that I found
- when I was looking through
- Enigma Stationery's current offerings
- that I thought were really fun and different.
- One was a Kirby fluffy pen case
- which just looks excellent.
- Just Kirby pen case.
- Can't beat that.
- And also the Kodomo No Cow fountain pen stamp.
- So this is just like an ink stamp
- that looks like a fountain pen.
- I need to see that.
- I haven't stumbled across that one yet.
- You can put that in your journal or whatever.
- Yeah, I'm big into the stamps.
- I want to see that one.
- So that's super cool.
- I want to see that.
- I love Risagraph style printing
- to where you get to see all the different colors
- and layers of colors
- and how things get printed.
- And there's a Risagraph wall calendar for 2026.
- It's not too late.
- We're just a few days into January.
- And it's just super cool.
- I love looking at this type of artwork.
- So this is called the Butterfly Days 2026 Risagraph wall calendar.
- We'll put a link in the show notes to that.
- I think that's just a really cool thing to have around.
- Like I like being surrounded by cool things.
- Yeah.
- And like seeing that like on my wall
- or near my desk every day would make me happy.
- And then you know what makes me even more happy, Mike?
- We're staying in the Risagraph category.
- Everything is possum.
- Risagraph card, Mike.
- Like apparently this is a Tegan and Sarah song.
- You might be familiar with Tegan and Sarah.
- This is great for the Tegan and Sarah fans.
- I'm a Tegan and Sarah fan.
- I'm not familiar with.
- Oh, everything is possum is the take on the everything is awesome
- is what you're telling me.
- Yes.
- Nice.
- But I guess maybe Tegan and Sarah have this in better context.
- Anyway, this is an A2 card.
- It's made, you know, like a thank you card
- or, you know, some kind of note card
- that you can send to someone.
- There's also a sticker.
- Oh, nice.
- Bromstad Printing Company.
- Yeah.
- They're doing this cool Risagraph work
- that I'm just a fan of.
- There's, you know, hot dog, you know, dog print.
- There's, oh, the skeleton cat in the sticker chair.
- At some point, we're just going to have to end this ad
- because I'm going to keep looking and giggling.
- Okay, here's the everything is possum holograph sticker.
- Oh, my gosh.
- There we go.
- I feel like you specifically need this sticker.
- I do.
- I do.
- So, yeah.
- This is one for you.
- So, to a broader point, which we can get to after,
- you know, our ad from our one of friends over at Enigma.
- These are things I'm looking at this year.
- I have one more thing for you.
- This is what's getting me.
- Okay.
- The Decol Harapeko Animal Pen Stand in the Shiba Inu.
- It's essentially just a Shiba Inu with a really big mouth
- that you can put things in.
- Like the fish case.
- Yes.
- Well, but it's just a stand.
- So, it just looks like you have a dog with a huge mouth
- that you're putting things into.
- Oh, my God.
- Okay.
- Yeah, this is going to be a problem.
- Pretty good stuff.
- All of these products and more, including just more traditional pens.
- Oh, my God.
- See?
- Told you.
- He's got paper clips falling out of his mouth.
- He knows what he wants.
- If you want $10 off on orders of $50 or more,
- go over to enigmastationary.com slash penaddict
- and use the code TPA26 at checkout.
- That is enigmastationary.com slash penaddict
- to get $10 off on orders of $50 or more
- by using the code TPA26.
- Our thanks to Enigma Stationary
- for their support of this show and all of Relay.
Shout-out of the Week: Carolina Pen Company[edit]
- All right, Mike.
- We got our shout-out of the week.
- Shout-out of the week.
- Did this surprise you when I put this in here?
- I think so, actually.
- We're shouting out today
- our good friend Jonathan Brooks
- at Carolina Pen Company.
- And there's a lot of reasons to shout-out Jonathan, right?
- And this is one of those things
- when you know somebody extremely well,
- you tend to forget to, like, you know,
- give them, like, the love and praise
- because you just always, you know,
- respect them so highly.
- Like, every day, it's like you forget.
- It's like, maybe I should shout them out
- a little bit extra.
- Yeah, I mean, that's why it surprises me
- because it's like, you know,
- you're shouting out, like, the don, you know?
- Right.
- Yeah, exactly.
- But there's a lot of reasons
- in, we're going to talk about
- a lot of context today.
- There's a lot of reasons contextually
- that I want people to be thinking about,
- like, especially, again, in the U.S. market,
- but this counts as in the worldwide market,
- the maker pens
- that we all see, like, at pen shows
- and at different retailers.
- Like, Enigma, I know,
- works with a bunch of different people
- to, like, make pens for them.
- And smaller makers making,
- you know, in Jonathan's case,
- making beautiful materials,
- hand-turning wonderful pens,
- being super creative,
- being, you know, basically the leader
- or one of the leaders in this industry
- for small manufacturers
- and being so helpful to the industry as a whole,
- to just being an open book.
- Jonathan's an amazing person.
- They do great work.
- And, you know, I wanted to give a special shout out.
- What reminded me to do this
- was not only that I want to talk about maker pens
- here in a minute,
- as, you know, what we're going to do
- in relation to all these rising costs
- of a lot of my favorite Japanese pens,
- is go through,
- we have a wonderful author at the Pen Attic
- named Caroline Foti,
- who has a series called Meet Your Maker.
- And we have a tag,
- the Meet Your Maker tag,
- and you can go read about these people
- that are making the things.
- And I think that's going to be
- an important focus going forward.
- Not that it already wasn't,
- but I think we'll have an even more,
- like, laser focus on the personal connection
- to the people making the thing
- that I use every day, right?
- And I think that's just a great thing
- to be thinking about.
- And if you're not familiar,
- go read all of these articles
- because Caroline basically does origin stories
- and up to current dates
- for all of these makers.
- And you just learn so much
- and how, you know,
- people like Jonathan came from,
- you know, wood turning bowls
- to, like, solving problems
- on how to make these beautiful materials
- that we all get to see and love and use.
- So definitely go give Carolina Pen Co a try.
- Go read this article.
- And then when you're done with that,
- click on the Meet Your Maker tag
- and just go discover
- all of these wonderful people
- making things in our community.
- Yep.
Maker Pens and Community Focus[edit]
- And yeah, it's,
- I think that's going to be important, Mike,
- because we can transition
- right into this topic.
- I call this topic
- Now is Our Time to Shine.
- And I don't,
- I'm not saying you and I,
- I'm saying as a community.
- Not you and I.
- So, sorry,
- I didn't want to knock you down
- a little bit there, Mike.
- Not you.
- Not you specifically.
- But no,
- what my point is,
- and I think you'll agree,
- is now is the time,
- especially for us
- that have been in this hobby
- for more than a few years.
- Now is our time
- to really define
- what we like
- and what we use
- and what is the most important thing
- in this hobby, right?
- Because this is a luxury hobby, right?
- Even your $5 gel pens,
- like,
- no one needs that, right?
- So, we're all spending,
- like, this luxury hobby money
- that has gotten,
- that budget's gotten lower and lower
- for a lot of people
- over the past few years,
- for sure.
- And so, now's our time
- to think about
- how we're using things
- more than ever,
- to focus on
- the most important stuff
- that you like,
- and just really, like,
- dig into those types of things.
- You know,
- I know a lot of people are,
- and this is a consistent thing,
- like, when
- New Year's rolls around,
- okay, this year is,
- I'm going to have a no-buy
- for pens,
- or this year,
- I'm going to shop
- my own closet, right?
- Those types of concepts.
- But,
- even a little bit broader
- than that,
- I think
- the market overall,
- with these
- huge, huge numbers
- of price increases,
- we're going to see
- a larger focus
- on maker pens,
- right?
- because now I get to go
- not only acquire
- a fun,
- new,
- cool pen,
- I get to talk
- to the person
- that makes it.
- I can maybe have
- some input
- into making this product
- more personal for me.
- And,
- you can really have
- this connection
- that sometimes
- gets lost
- in just the,
- the,
- in the mass
- market type
- of situation,
- right?
- And,
- I'm not saying,
- you know,
- that stuff's bad,
- this stuff's good,
- that's not it at all.
- But,
- I'm saying is,
- now's the time
- to be thinking about,
- you know,
- what's really important
- to you,
- what do you want
- to see,
- and does that exist
- out there from
- a maker?
- And,
- it could be a pen maker,
- it could be a sticker maker,
- it could be a notebook maker.
- There's so many individual
- makers in this space,
- and small goods manufacturers
- in this space,
- that we are not
- spoiled for choice.
- We have it here.
- Like,
- it's crazy,
- crazy good stuff.
- So,
- yeah,
- I think the maker space,
- and I didn't want to be,
- I've gotten a couple comments
- over the past couple weeks
- about talking about makers.
- I think I just,
- I more did it in passing
- as just an assumption
- that that should be the focus.
- And,
- I just wanted to
- just correct and,
- correct that
- and just be very direct
- on what I think about,
- you know,
- individual makers.
- You know,
- I bought a pen case yesterday
- that I'll put a link
- in the show notes
- because it's one of my friends
- working on a design,
- creating their art,
- and,
- you know,
- collaborating with Rickshaw
- to get their art
- on a Sinclair,
- and that's the thing
- I want to buy.
- Yeah.
- Right?
- So,
- that's important to me.
- So,
- we'll put a link
- into the Cloudy Desk
- cases that she's doing
- pre-sales on.
- So,
- like,
- that's the stuff
- that's important to me
- is supporting my friends,
- supporting the community,
- and just making sure
- that,
- you know,
- we don't have to be,
- like,
- super down
- about these price increases,
- right,
- where we can kind of look
- inside ourselves
- a little bit more
- and supporting,
- like,
- other makers
- in the community.
- Yeah.
Secondhand Pens, Vintage, and Mid-tier Steel Nibs[edit]
- And I think it's,
- you know,
- it's just going to be
- a big year for that.
- It's going to be a big year
- for secondhand pen buying.
- Yeah.
- You know,
- I think that's going to be
- a common thing.
- I still,
- I've said this since
- these price increases
- started coming in,
- I think the vintage market's
- going to do well.
- You know,
- I think this is going to be
- a big using,
- not acquiring year.
- Like,
- people have to see
- how this shakes out
- because it's not just
- the prices are going up,
- which we talked about
- this weeks ago.
- It's not only the prices
- are going up,
- our ability to spend money
- is going down
- because we're having to
- spend it on necessities
- in life,
- not hobbies,
- right?
- And then lastly,
- which I think is maybe
- going to be my focus
- this year,
- I don't know yet.
- What I do with the pen
- attic is kind of too broad
- and I kind of want
- to stay that way.
- We definitely touch on
- a lot of price points
- and a lot of ranges,
- but I think the mid-tier
- steel nib pens,
- like below,
- like these $100 pilot
- platinum and sailors
- we're talking about,
- like I think are going
- to be more important
- and we're going to talk
- about my conversation
- around the Pilot Pereira
- real quick.
- And like the context
- around some of these pens
- has changed.
- Yes.
- And that was the purpose
- of my article.
- It's not as specific,
- the article was based
- on the Pilot Pereira
- because that's what I use
- and that's what I like,
- but it's more,
- it's not the Pereira
- specifically,
- right?
- It's more the concept
- of these pens
- that cost between
- like $30 and $60
- to where I could see
- that range being
- like the new end game
- for people
- because there's no reason
- to go from $60
- to $400.
- Like it just defies
- all logic.
- Like maybe eventually
- where before there was
- like this nice step escalation
- if you really love the hobby
- and wanted to learn
- about new things
- and wanted to explore
- and wanted to try
- your first gold nib,
- you can do it
- without breaking the bank.
- Well now,
- I think people might
- just stop,
- right?
- Like would you buy
- the Pilot Pereira
- at $64
- or the Pilot NS
- for $110?
- Well,
- you're going to start
- realizing like things
- we've realized in the past
- about the very entry level.
- There's not a lot of difference
- in those pens
- except the privilege
- of paying $50 more for it,
- right?
- Yeah.
- So I think that's going
- to be a big
- kind of running theme
- for me this year
- is understanding
- the context
- of how good
- some of these
- sub $100 pens are.
- Like the Lamy Studio,
- like some of the Kawekos,
- like this Pilot Pereira,
- which I'll freely admit
- is like it's too much money
- for what it is,
- but the context around
- it has changed.
- Right.
- To where I'm not saying
- now it's a value,
- but I'm saying,
- wow,
- this is a great pen
- and in the broader context,
- I'm fine with that price
- more than I used to be
- because I've always been
- very tough on the Pereira
- because it's been
- one of the more
- out-of-line priced pens
- in Pilot's lineup.
- Not anymore, Mike.
- No.
- No,
- my thought is that
- what these,
- you know,
- price increases
- like we were talking about
- at the start of the show,
- what they end up creating
- is holes
- in the product line.
- Right.
- And so my expectation
- is over the next
- couple of years,
- we're going to see
- significantly more
- steel nib pens
- claiming different benefits
- from a writing experience
- that are filling
- different price categories
- because it doesn't make
- any sense to go
- from $60 to $250
- or whatever.
- Or like what?
- Would it be like
- probably $90 to $500 now?
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- So you've got two,
- you know,
- two or three
- price brackets
- that you could hit
- within that gap.
- Yeah.
- And I expect to see
- pen manufacturers
- start to fill those
- and potentially start
- to remove some
- of the top end
- that's just not
- going to sell anymore.
- But the problem is
- it's not a problem
- for them.
- This is,
- this is again
- the 1% problem
- that we talk about
- on this podcast
- of like the super nerds
- like us.
- Like I've basically said
- with that,
- that sailor steel,
- steel pin
- is that essentially
- they're telling
- on themselves,
- right?
- Because like that barrel
- is the same barrel
- as their gold nib pen
- and you're paying
- like a fraction
- of the price.
- like the cost
- is never in the barrel
- and it just makes,
- it makes that $116 pin
- look outrageously expensive
- even though sailor
- will sell a lot
- of that pin.
- Yeah.
- I believe.
- Yeah.
- Right.
- So good times,
- Mike.
Nib Materials: Titanium, Gold, Steel, and Palladium[edit]
- So let's hit this,
- let's hit this feedback
- from Scott
- because this is something
- more to talk about
- that we,
- that's another
- recurring theme.
- Regarding nibs
- and their metals,
- you guys touched
- on titanium
- quite a bit.
- It's not just
- that the metal
- is more springy
- than others,
- it's also how it's used.
- For example,
- see Schoen's Monarch nib
- which is a pretty hard
- as a nail nib.
- Likewise,
- gold isn't always
- springier than steel.
- Like platinum's nibs
- are usually fairly hard
- save for the soft,
- fine and medium models.
- Aside for Sconti's use
- of palladium
- was a big outlier
- but even palladium
- is an expensive metal
- though it's a third
- of the price of gold.
- Yeah.
- It's not that,
- it's basically
- what Scott is saying.
- It's not the material,
- it's how you use it.
- Yeah.
- But when you compare
- a stock titanium
- like say a Bach
- titanium traditional nib
- to a Schoen Monarch nib,
- those are so far apart
- in what they are.
- It's like comparing
- like a Honda Civic
- to a Lamborghini,
- right?
- That's,
- so you don't say,
- well we should use titanium
- and make more Lamborghinis,
- right?
- That doesn't necessarily
- help the market.
- I want to see,
- Schoen has his market,
- I have a Monarch
- and I love it,
- I think it's one
- of the coolest things ever
- but no one needs
- a $500 nib,
- right?
- And we're already
- getting just
- dinged so hard
- on,
- you know,
- the pins with gold nibs,
- like I don't know
- that having $500
- titanium nibs,
- while I want that
- to exist as a concept
- in our space,
- that doesn't alleviate
- anything that we're
- talking about,
- right?
- That's a specialty item
- and those kind of stand alone
- in their uniqueness.
- Does that make sense?
- I think so.
- Yeah.
- But I do understand
- what Scott is saying,
- which there is something
- that's interesting to me
- and kind of exciting to me
- in that different people
- can have different,
- like,
- outcomes with the same material
- depending on how they use them.
- And so my hope there
- is that there is room
- for different materials
- to operate in different ways
- and fill different roles
- because this is my thing,
- right?
- I just feel like
- there has to be something
- other than gold
- to get a really good experience.
- Sorry,
- I keep interrupting you.
- No,
- no,
- no,
- it's okay.
- I was just going to say,
- I was going to agree
- with Scott's point here
- is we want people
- to keep experimenting
- with stuff,
- whether it's the basic nib
- or the Lamborghini,
- right?
- We want people
- to keep going
- with other materials.
- So to that,
- I totally agree
- with Scott here.
- It's possible
- that there has been
- kind of like a lack
- of a need
- for development,
- like research development
- and that this may push
- some of the
- more traditional brands
- to do a bit more of that.
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Cleaning Fountain Pens[edit]
- I love cleaning fountain pens,
- Mike.
- You sure do.
- They spark joy.
- They do spark joy.
- I think it's just
- an innate thing with me,
- which is kind of
- what I talked about.
- So I wrote an article
- on Monday
- or posted it Monday
- and this isn't a
- 101,
- you know,
- how to clean
- your fountain pen 101,
- but it gives you
- just a general concept
- of how I do it
- to show you
- it is really
- not that difficult,
- right?
- That was my point
- in this,
- was not to like
- step-by-step walk you
- through any of this,
- but to show you
- like what I do,
- the few extra tools
- I use,
- and how easy
- it is
- and how drama-free
- it is
- to just spend
- the time to do it.
- I think I cleaned
- seven pens
- in about 20 minutes.
- That's like nothing.
- And these,
- I keep my pens,
- I'm very particular
- about my pen cleanliness.
- My pen hygiene
- is very high
- just because
- I don't want
- any question
- when I go to fill a pen,
- right?
- I just want to
- pick an ink
- and throw it in a pen
- that I knew
- that I cleaned
- great the time before
- and I don't have
- to worry about anything.
- No drama involved.
- So anyway,
- I really don't have
- a ton to say
- other than if y'all
- have some feedback
- on this
- and have any specific questions.
- Since I didn't do that,
- you know,
- step one through ten
- breakdown,
- if you do have questions,
- it's definitely open
- for that.
- So just feel free
- to reach out.
- It's honestly,
- it can be overwhelming
- until you start doing it
- and then you go,
- oh,
- that wasn't too bad
- and I'm much happier
- that I now have
- these clean pens
- and I can go ink up
- something else
- and yeah,
- that's just a few tips
- on what I do,
- how I do it
- and I'm going to
- keep doing it this way
- because I want
- clean pens
- to use the next time
- I go to fill them up.
- Yeah,
- I liked some of the tips
- that you had
- like one of them
- that was,
- two that I liked
- specifically
- was one is just like,
- it's kind of a reverse tip,
- don't clean your pens
- in a porcelain sink,
- right,
- because that could stain it
- for sure
- and then also
- if you're going to start
- taking things apart
- like the feeds
- and the nibs,
- put them in a little bowl
- in the sink
- so you don't lose them
- in the drain.
- Yep,
- yep,
- it's lots of little things
- like that
- that you'll get caught out
- the first time doing it
- when you go to,
- you know,
- if you're just starting
- and learning how to
- clean fountain pens,
- all of a sudden
- something jumps off the barrel
- and it's gone
- or tomorrow
- you have a blue stain
- on your sink
- and you have to explain that
- to your family.
- You know,
- there are a couple
- little things to think about
- so yeah,
- it's fun stuff.
- I'll always love
- talking about cleaning pens
- because it's really
- pretty simple.
Ultrasonic Cleaner Tips[edit]
- On this topic,
- Tim wrote in and said,
- I also love keeping
- my pens clean
- although I'm not as diligent
- as I should be.
- I'm wondering about
- the ultrasonic cleaner
- you mentioned.
- I don't have one.
- I don't think I need one.
- I get most of my pens
- clean with water
- and the rest with flush.
- About once or twice a year
- though,
- I have something
- that gets really stubborn
- often after an orange
- or red ink
- and it takes me forever
- to clean it out.
- Could you give a rundown
- to how you actually use
- the ultrasonic cleaner?
- Maybe,
- you know,
- do I just chuck in the nib
- and feed unit
- into the water tank,
- mash the button
- and wait for a clean pen?
- Is there anything
- else I need to do?
- And can it clean out
- cartridges or my
- Toosby Ecos?
- Yeah.
- See,
- this is an awesome question
- because there's lots,
- all of us do things
- a little bit differently
- or have different
- problems that we're
- trying to solve for.
- So this is a great question.
- One,
- I wanted to point out
- that Tim mentioned
- really stubborn inks
- and specifically called out
- orange and red ink.
- There's a reason
- why they're more stubborn
- is because
- whatever chemical,
- whatever the yellow is
- that you see
- in a lot of
- this range of inks
- can be like,
- or just like
- an aggressive,
- I don't know,
- aggressive type of ink
- once it gets into your feeds
- and kind of-
- You get crusty.
- You get crusty
- and things like that.
- So this is a common thing.
- So Tim,
- don't think you're doing
- anything crazy.
- It's,
- it's that chemical
- in that yellow,
- anything that's using
- like a yellow
- to brighten inks,
- you're going to see
- sometimes get more crusty
- than other pens.
- And that's,
- it's not like,
- there's no damage,
- there's no problem,
- but you do need to clean it,
- right?
- So if Tim is in this situation
- and the pen flush
- Tim mentioned
- he has doesn't work,
- I do think
- an ultrasonic cleaner
- is good for this.
- And what you would do
- is you would take
- your ultrasonic cleaner,
- fill it with water,
- and then you would take
- a jar or a glass,
- okay?
- And then put your pen flush
- in that glass
- and then put your nibs
- and feeds
- in the glass
- inside the ultrasonic cleaner.
- Because you want to use
- the flush
- in the feed,
- right?
- And to clean all this stuff out
- and then have the
- vibrations of the ultrasonic
- to do the work.
- But keep it,
- obviously you don't want
- to pull over the flush
- straight into the
- ultrasonic cleaner.
- You could just throw
- the nibs and feed
- straight into the
- ultrasonic cleaner
- with water,
- distilled water.
- I do that fine.
- But if you really want
- to kind of like double up,
- you put the flush
- in a glass
- or a dish
- inside
- the ultrasonic cleaner
- and put your
- parts inside that.
- So it's kind of like
- a little separator
- that way because
- pen flush,
- which I had to learn
- the hard way,
- is essentially
- a recyclable component.
- You're not supposed
- to throw out the flush
- when you're done with it.
- You're supposed to keep
- using it until it's
- just too yucky.
- So that was news
- to me.
- So yeah,
- so you can,
- a lot of times,
- you can just chuck
- the nib and feed
- into the water tank,
- which is one of the
- things Tim mentions.
- And then sometimes
- you have to run
- that three times,
- right?
- You run it once
- on its cycle.
- Some of the cycles
- are like 10 minutes
- maybe or three minutes.
- I can't remember
- what it is.
- Run that cycle
- and check and make
- sure everything's clean.
- If it's not,
- you do it again,
- right?
- And yeah,
- it can clean out
- cartridges and TWSBI
- because I don't see
- why it couldn't
- clean out almost
- anything,
- right?
- So I would just
- make sure like
- if you're cleaning
- out cartridges,
- you go ahead
- and clean them
- out as much
- as possible.
- Then you fill
- them with water
- so there's actually
- water inside
- the cartridge
- and then put it
- inside the water
- inside the
- ultrasonic cleaner
- if that makes sense.
- You don't need
- like a floating
- cartridge on there.
- And yeah,
- I think it's
- pretty straightforward
- honestly Tim,
- if you had an
- ultrasonic cleaner,
- you could use it
- for more extreme
- situations.
- Just like people
- will take the
- ultrasonic cleaner
- for a shimmer
- pen,
- don't want the
- shimmer all inside
- the ultrasonic
- cleaner and use
- that same glass
- theory that I
- just mentioned
- before where you
- put the shimmer
- pens inside a
- glass inside the
- ultrasonic cleaner
- to keep it all
- together.
- So yeah,
- it's a good
- option.
RSTPA: Secondhand Pen Buying[edit]
- Do you want
- to do a couple
- of RSTPA
- questions before
- we finish out
- today?
- Let's do it.
- First one comes
- from Robert who
- says,
- when I went to
- a flea market
- in Lisbon,
- I managed to
- pick up a
- beautiful Waterman
- Concorde with
- only a hairline
- crack and broken
- converter for just
- 15 euros.
- I was wondering
- if you've had any
- success or horror
- stories of buying
- pens secondhand
- from markets or
- any tips on how
- to do so.
- Yeah,
- I really don't
- because this is
- not my category.
- Like,
- if me and
- Robert are going
- through the flea
- market in Lisbon
- and there's a
- beautiful Waterman
- there with a
- hairline crack and
- a broken converter
- for only 15 euros,
- I'm going to say
- knock yourself out,
- Robert,
- because I don't
- want to deal with
- whatever comes next
- with that.
- Yeah,
- I'm in agreement
- with you.
- If I'm buying
- from vintage,
- I want to buy it
- from someone who's
- already taken the
- time to take care
- of it for me.
- I am more likely
- to buy that pen
- for $150 that
- now works and
- someone else
- handled it for me.
- That's just me
- being bougie.
- That's a good
- project, right?
- Like,
- if you think you
- can deal with it.
- If that's your
- thing,
- then you just
- go for it and
- now you have a
- project to learn
- how to repair
- these things,
- right?
- That's a great
- thing to do.
- Again,
- this is back to
- that context,
- right?
- Hey,
- maybe I can get
- some lower
- price,
- somewhat non-working
- pens that I have
- to clean or have
- to replace the
- sack on the
- internals,
- replacing parts,
- and now I have
- a project to learn
- how to do that.
- That's awesome.
- So I don't have
- any success stories
- or horror stories
- from that other
- than if you're
- committing to
- that and learning
- to repair and
- fix these pens,
- that's just
- awesome.
- Like,
- you should buy
- all of them.
- But I don't have
- any specifics because
- I don't personally
- do this.
- And I'll admit
- that I will
- probably never
- do this.
- The vintage pens
- that I have and
- use have all
- been restored by
- professionals,
- which I am not
- one.
RSTPA: Mechanical and Wooden Pencils[edit]
- And Gregory
- asks,
- in episode
- 697,
- you were talking
- about price
- increases.
- Were we?
- Maybe moving
- people over to
- vintage pens and
- pencils.
- I moved over to
- both in 2025.
- Mike mentioned
- that he has
- recently taken
- an interest in
- mechanical pencils.
- I would love
- to hear what
- he likes.
- And what are
- your guys'
- favorite mechanical
- and wooden
- pencils?
- So I have
- four mechanical
- pencils.
- I use one of
- which every day.
- Studio Neat Mark
- 3 is actually
- the product that
- sent me down
- this rabbit hole.
- I absolutely
- love that
- mechanical pencil.
- It just feels
- so good.
- And then this
- was reinforced
- by the Leuchtturm
- Driggerfeld
- number 2,
- which is just
- maybe the most
- beautiful mechanical
- pencil I've ever
- used.
- I just think
- the design
- speaks to me
- so well,
- even though it
- doesn't actually
- feel as nice
- to use as the
- other ones I'm
- going to mention.
- I have the
- perennial spoke
- Model 4.
- I think I got
- the Model 4.
- I can never
- remember what
- model number I
- have, Brad,
- but I'm pretty
- sure it's the
- four.
- It is.
- That's the
- classic OG
- that we have
- now updated.
- So the Model
- 7 is kind of
- the updated
- Model 4,
- but the same
- concept applies
- to how it's
- designed.
- And then the
- Unikurutoga
- I love
- the Kiritoga
- like most
- people do.
- The ones that
- I use,
- I bought these
- years ago.
- I have like a
- set of Disney
- themed ones,
- like Disney
- character themed
- ones,
- and they're just
- like really fun
- and good looking
- pencils,
- and I enjoy
- using them
- all the time.
- What I use
- mechanical pencils
- for now,
- these days,
- is either
- scribbling,
- like I do a lot
- of scribbling,
- like when I'm
- recording and
- stuff,
- I draw little
- patterns on my
- sidekick notepad,
- like just as a
- way to keep my
- eyes and hands
- occupied while
- I'm listening to
- someone.
- I'm twisting a
- pencil in my
- hand this whole
- time,
- this whole episode.
- Yeah.
- Or if I want to
- jot something down
- super quick,
- like if I'm
- sitting down to
- write in my
- journal,
- I'm not using
- mechanical pencil
- for that.
- Correct.
- But if I'm on
- a call and
- someone mentions
- something,
- then I will do
- that, you know?
- Yep, 100%.
- I'll agree with
- pretty much everything
- you said across
- the board here.
- The Dregor fell,
- I still don't
- have a complete
- understanding of
- why I think this
- is such an amazing
- mechanical pencil
- because it
- technically should
- not be, I
- believe.
- But it is.
- It's elite.
- It's an amazing
- pencil.
- And I'm still,
- like, the way I
- think about
- products, like,
- that one still
- kind of flabbergasts
- me a little bit
- on why I
- appreciate it so
- much.
- which, obviously,
- the various
- spokes that I
- use, again, the
- Model 4 has
- been my most
- used.
- I haven't, since
- we just launched
- the Model 7s and
- 8s in November,
- I haven't really
- used much because
- I don't want to
- take any from the
- inventory.
- But I'll eventually
- start probably using
- a 7.
- But people are
- loving the 8.
- The 8 has a clip
- on it.
- And people are
- loving, like, the
- different grip
- sections we have
- on those.
- So I might try
- to go into the
- 8 and test that
- out, even though
- the 7 is more
- my style.
- I love the Uni
- Kuretoga.
- I also never
- use the Kuretoga.
- So if I'm going
- to use a pencil
- on my desk that's
- not a spoke,
- I'm probably using
- a Pentel Sharp,
- which is the
- Pentel P series.
- You'll see them
- 205, 203, 205,
- 7, and 9.
- It's a classic
- 50-year-old
- mechanical pencil
- that is still
- just as good as
- it was when it
- was introduced
- all those years
- ago.
- And then
- sometimes I'll
- grab my
- Rotring 600.
- Oh, yeah.
- You know I need
- to take mine
- out.
- Yeah.
- I know where
- that is.
- It's at home
- in the attic.
- I have the
- storage up there.
- I need to get
- the Rotrings
- out.
- So between
- the 600
- and the
- Pentel Sharp
- series, anything
- in that category,
- that's like my
- go-tos on my
- desk if we're
- accepting the
- spoke stuff that
- I'm involved
- in.
- Yeah, because
- I bought those
- a long time ago
- before I had my
- obsession.
- And really, I
- was buying the
- pens, but also
- just getting the
- pencils because
- why not?
- Like I bought a
- couple of sets or
- whatever, but yeah,
- I need to break
- out the Rotring.
- I will say about
- the Kuretoga, the
- new wood grip
- version that came
- out last year,
- that actually is a
- very highly rated
- pencil on my
- desk.
- Like that's the
- Kuretoga I would
- use on the
- regular.
- For just a quick
- shout on the
- wooden pencils,
- the Mitsubishi
- 9850 is probably
- my number one.
- It is just an
- all-around
- wonderful core,
- and it's
- insanely cheap,
- relatively speaking,
- to a lot of
- other pencils on
- the market.
- So that's my go-to,
- the Tombow
- 2558.
- 2558.
- Those are both
- the low end of
- each of their
- product lineups,
- but surpass pretty
- much everything else
- they do.
- Even some of the
- higher end stuff,
- they're just such
- high quality good.
- They're essentially
- like literally the
- 9850 says office
- use on it or
- something like that.
- I don't have it in
- front of me, office
- pencil or something
- ridiculous.
- Like these are not
- made to be like
- your fancy pencils,
- but they're that
- good.
- And then I do
- like the black
- wings.
- I like all the
- cores except the
- very softest.
- I don't always use,
- but I'm always
- surprised when I use
- it.
- So I like the two
- mid-range cores,
- the 602 and the
- I forget their
- names, the
- balance I think
- is it's called.
- So yeah.
- But yeah, I would
- start if you want
- to just go grab a
- pencil that will
- help you learn what
- a good pencil core
- is like and what a
- good pencil build is
- like.
- Get the 9850.
- It's a dollar and
- it's as good as any
- other pencil you'll
- ever buy.
- Love it.
- So that's the
- Mitsubishi, right?
- Yep.
- Mitsubishi 9850.
- I'll put a link in
- the show notes to
- your review of it.
- Yep.
- And I have a, I
- think I have a
- review of the 2558
- too.
- Those are, those
- are people, those
- are the two
- inexpensive upgrade
- pencils that people
- are, people will,
- they're usually either
- a 9850 or a 2558.
- Those are like the
- one and two in that
- category.
- And the 2558 is the
- Tombow.
- Yep.
- They're both in the
- show notes.
- Yep.
- Which you can find in
- your podcast app of
- choice or over at
- relay.fm slash
- pen addict slash
- 698.
Closing Remarks[edit]
- Oh, Brad, it's just
- around the corner.
- Oh, no.
- What?
- Oh, man.
- Right there.
- Right there.
- You think we'll talk
- about price increases
- in the next 700?
- Yeah, why not?
- We should, moratorium,
- episode 699,
- moratorium after that.
- In memoriam of
- pens.
- Yes.
- That's what episode
- 799 will be.
- R.I.P.
- pens.
- R.I.P.
- pens.
- We'll be the
- price addict now.
- One of these days
- we'll talk about
- other stuff.
- I guess maybe we'll
- be in recovery at
- that point.
- Like, that's where
- we are.
- We're going to
- re-app.
- In just a week
- from now.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- Maybe.
- Maybe.
- The way this
- episode went,
- maybe.
- Yeah.
- Maybe.
Contact and Outro[edit]
- If you have a
- question you'd like
- to ask us for a
- future episode, we want
- to do more RSTPA.
- We didn't do more
- today, really.
- We did too.
- I said last week we're
- going to do it.
- We're going to do it,
- but there's just so
- much little stuff that's
- just popping off right
- now.
- So, we'll get to it.
- Go to penaddictfeedback.com
- and you can send that in
- there, along with a
- follow-up.
- So, people that sent in
- follow-up about last
- week's show, that's where
- it came from.
- So, except Brad's really
- long email, but that
- came in via the feedback
- form, which I really
- appreciate.
- Yeah.
- That's where you want
- to send the long
- stuff because you are
- character limited on our
- website.
- But you can always
- email me, like you
- said, hello at
- penaddict.com with the
- 500-word emails, which
- I love.
- It was such good
- content.
- But I don't, which is
- why the form is
- character limited.
- Yeah.
- Mike limits how much
- people can yell at him,
- and that limit is 250
- characters.
- No, if that was the
- case, then there would
- be a limit on how many
- times people could
- write in.
- Thank you so much to
- Factor and Enigma
- Stationery for their
- support of this episode.
- But most of all, thank
- you for listening.
- Find Brad online over
- at penaddict.com,
- spokedesign.com,
- twitch.tv, slash
- penaddict.
- You'll find me at
- cortexbrown.com,
- theenthusiast.net, and
- here at Relay.
- We'll be back next
- time.
- Until then, say
- goodbye, Brad.
- Goodbye, Brad.
- Bye, Brad.
- Bye, Brad.