The Pen Addict 713/transcript

From Relay, this is The Pen Addict, episode 713. Today's show is brought to you by the Canalea Penco, Squarespace, and Pen Chalet. My name is Myke Hurley, and I'm joined by Brad Dowdy. Hi, Myke Hurley, did you get caught on the 713 again? Like, wow, that's a big number? I don't know what it is. I say... I don't know what that is. This happens like every third episode I say this, but it's like...
It's like you go, wow.
It doesn't make sense to me, really, because, like, so many of my shows now are way up there, you know? Like, obviously, we got a bit of a head start, but, you know, like, I'm up to, like... We're doing Connected 600 today, so, like, it shouldn't be, like, a thing, but for some reason, I stumbled on 713. Sometimes I think just the numbers are hard to say, and, like, this one was, like, a harder one. It doesn't have a good mouthfeel, Brad, 713.
True. True. Yeah. Not... It's not... It's not anyone's favorite number, I don't think.
No. It's not 710, let me tell you that.
No. No, no. It's no 711 either, so... Indeed.
We have a lot to discuss this week.
Yeah.
I think we should probably get into it.
Yep.
Are you ready?
I am.
All right. So, last two episodes, we've been stringing along this pocket fountain pen discussion, right?
I got this question a couple weeks ago, you know, with a specific set of requirements for a pocket pen.
So, I answered that. So, we mentioned that two weeks ago. Then we did some follow-up last week.
And the end result, and I also got feedback from the questioner...
Ah, yes.
...that I actually didn't answer the question, or they weren't clear enough. So, the original question that I answered was based around a pocket fountain pen with, like, no threads, just a snap cap.
Just very simple to use, low cost, and we answered all those questions. It's a surprisingly short list.
The question actually is, I want a pocket pen that meets those requirements that you mentioned, that only feels like a fountain pen, and writes like a fountain pen, but isn't a fountain pen.
Okay. Well, I've got to say, Brad, to the question asker, you should have asked the question correctly.
They admitted it. They're like, maybe I didn't explain this correctly.
Yeah. I mean, we're in a completely different ballgame now.
Yeah. I was mentioning this yesterday on stream, and one person actually got it. It was like, I listened to it, and I think they didn't want a fountain pen.
I was like, you know what? You're smarter than me, because that's not the path I went down.
So, here's how we're going to start this discussion.
So, the parameters, again, like, pocket pen, capped, no threads, okay, but feels like a fountain pen, but isn't a fountain pen.
You see, so here's, like, the initial question. What does that even mean? What does feels like a fountain pen mean?
Right. So, how do you define this? So, I put in the meta discussion, is this a thing, right?
And how do you define feels like a fountain pen, but isn't?
I don't, I don't, I can't, I can't do that.
Yeah. That's why I had to sit on this for a little while. I really needed to dedicate some time.
Now, it makes sense why you were so cagey about just saying it.
Now, I get why you didn't want to say it last week.
You're just like, oh, I have the question, but I'm not telling you.
Yeah. Because I wanted to finish the feedback on that topic, on the original, the misquoted topic.
Because that was also a good question to answer.
It just wasn't for this person.
It was great. It was great. But then I didn't want to muddy the waters, if you will.
Sure.
And I didn't have an answer. Because I had to think about this. And if you were thinking about this,
like, can you even think of what that would be? And I came up with a couple of answers.
Yeah.
And I have not, I enjoy doing this because this person listens to the podcast. I do not
share these answers with them before they listen.
Yeah.
So, these could be, like, totally wrong. So, we'll probably get some feedback on what does
this feel like a fountain pen mean? I didn't want to, I purposefully didn't ask, can you
define this a little bit better for me? Because I wanted to give it a shot. And it's like,
I don't know that this is a thing, right?
I think, how can you?
The question actually requires a separate question, which is, like, trying to dig into the, well,
considering the fact that that doesn't exist, what we need to isolate is, what is the element
you are trying to emulate? And so, it's like, what do you enjoy about fountain pens? Like,
for me, what I would be looking for in this pen is something that writes really smoothly.
But for you, it would probably be a different thing.
Yeah.
So, my theory-
Because I like medium to broad nibs because of the smoothness, where I think your look,
you would want more tactility, like feedback from the page.
Yep.
Yep. So, my theory was line variation, which leads into, like, feedback type of situations,
right? So, like, I started looking at brush pens. Like, is a brush pen, does a brush pen feel like
a fountain pen to people? Does it make brush pen lines, do brush pen lines, are they similar to what
a fountain pen feels like? Well, we're going to talk about a fountain pen later, and I'll go ahead
and bring this up now. That is one of my favorite pens of all time, the Pilot Murex. It is the most
nail-like fountain pen, right? So, if I want a non-fountain pen that writes, like, the Pilot Murex,
well, I'm going to say, like, Uniball Jetstream, right? Because it writes like a nail, and the line
is fine. Does that write like a fountain pen? It depends. Maybe some of mine, like, to your point,
you know, what my needs are. But in a broader sense, would a brush pen meet what people think
a fountain pen writes like? And again, this is me not asking this person to define this because I
wanted to explore this a little bit. Absolutely. Right? So, that's, like, two very disparate things
is just a basic brush pen or, like, the most nail pen you can find, which is, like, a Jetstream.
And I put down the Tombow Fudenosuke brush pen, which it could be any of these. Again,
none of these are pocketable, right? What I consider pocket size. This is a standard size pen,
right? That's one of the other caveats here. Well, this is a big pen. I mean, not a big pen.
It's a standard size pen, you know, like a secure big micron size pen. And then I picked
the firmest brush tip to give you some line variation, but not all the line variation that
you need there. Who knows if this is an answer, you know, we're going to ask at the end for y'all's
feedback. So, y'all be thinking about this, listeners, and, you know, coming up with some
feedback. I'm sure we'll have more discussions on this. But, like, if is... So, that was where I
went first was, like, a brush pen tip. Yeah. And so, okay, if I'm going to go down a brush pen tip,
and I want a smaller pen, what would something like that be? And the Tom Studio Wren kind of came up
in my head. This is a pen I've had passed through my hands, and it is a small, compact,
more of a felt tip type of pen than a brush pen. Does it feel like a fountain pen? I don't know.
It's a metal barrel, aluminum barrel. You can put interesting colors in it, right? These are
those refillable type pens. I mean, maybe you're... Again, it's like, what is a fountain pen to you?
If a fountain pen is, like, freedom of ink, then this is going to feel like that, right?
Right, right. Yeah, it has to be that. Yeah, it fits the small, pocketable thing,
right? And metal, small, pocketable, threadless. But does the output match... Does it solve the
question, right? Does it answer the question? I don't know. So, like, this is... I love this kind
of topic, because we can just kind of talk through it, and then maybe next week we'll get some more
feedback. I think some people would enjoy this as... I'm not comfortable taking a fountain pen and
putting it in my pocket, but, like, something like the Tom Studio Wren might give me some aspects of
what I like about my fountain pens in a nice portable package. So, that's one, which I think
is probably a pretty good take. I don't know. Um, the... Kind of the last one in this category of
me thinking on the brush pen idea... This is a really cool pen, and I've reviewed this pen. I should
probably find my review. I'll let you go dig that up while I'm talking. The Kuretaki Zig Cocoa Iroh.
So, again, small barrel. I was trying to find a smaller barrel brush pen, and what they do with this pen...
It's... It's... It is a compact barrel, and it's oddly designed in that the refill just kind of,
like, jams through the back of the barrel. Like, you can see it. That is a massively weird
design. Like, that... I love it. I didn't know what that was in the image. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like,
that is so weird. So, this is, like, a combination... Like, if you mashed up the last two pens,
um, that's probably what this is. It's kind of like a brush tip, kind of like a felt tip,
you know, but it has a... Kind of a bulky refill that sticks out the back of the pen.
Why would they do that?
I don't know. Just, like, some weird aesthetic thing. I don't hate it. Like, I actually kind of
quite enjoy it, uh, the look of it, and they're... I mean, do they do color refills?
Are they different colors? Because they're different colors. That maybe makes sense to me.
They don't. There's blue, black, blue, bordeaux, sepia, sepia. So, there's, like,
five colors. Okay. But there's not, like, you know, orange, purple, green, that kind of stuff.
It's a very neat, comfortable, functional pen. I, I thoroughly enjoy it, just from the fun
perspective. Yeah. Um, so, I thought, is this a pocket pen with a snap cap that, that could,
you know, mimic your fountain pen, um, if you didn't want to carry a fountain pen?
Um, so, I, I was actually pretty happy to pull this one out of thin air, which, I've
had a lot more experience with this one, uh, than the other two, for sure. And it's one
I like. I was like, oh, yeah, that's a good one.
So, then I have one more.
So, the brush on this, is it hard?
Yeah, yeah. It's medium. It's, if you're talking in a brush pen category, it would be
hard, but if you're talking a felt tip, it would be softer.
Softer than that. Okay.
Yeah. So, it's like, I would say it's probably on, if you're going on the brush pen scale,
it's going to be on a firm or hard brush pen.
Okay.
So, it's got a little bit of flexibility around the tip of it.
Sure.
Um, a little bit brushy, but still has some firmness in there.
Yeah.
Yeah. Good, good pen, good fun pen. So, that, like, that was my list. And that was hard to
pull this out. And, like, the Tombow brush pen isn't even a pocket pen.
The other two, I'd say, would kind of fit that category, especially the Ren. But I still
don't know that they solve the issue. I was like, okay. So, like, I'm racking my brain trying
to come up with some other things. And I thought, you know what else is kind of writes like a
fountain pen? And people actually say this, but they don't think of it anywhere near the
same category is a pencil. Do you buy that a traditional wooden pencil, non-mechanical
pencil, could have some fountain pen line characteristics as far as, like, shape and
feel?
Yeah.
Do you buy that? Some people might not buy that. Some people probably think I'm crazy.
But I buy that. So, I was thinking something like the Traveler's solid brass pencil, right,
which is the pocketable pencil. We mentioned the fountain pen for this original category.
I was like, you know what? This pocketable pencil, right, it's a bullet pencil, right? So,
you have a short pencil that you take out and you kind of flip it around and it makes a full
size barrel. You know, no threads, no anything like that, quick deployment. Would you consider
something like this as a fountain pen replacement? I know it's kind of hard to get there mentally,
but I don't know. I kind of feel like that's a reasonable solution. Like, pencil may not work for
the needs of this writing, right? But from a conceptual place, which is all I had left. Like,
this is the last, I was at the end. I was like, I don't know what else goes on this list.
I think this is going back to what I was saying earlier, that a pencil for you is closer to what
you get out of a fountain pen, which is not the case for me. It is more of a brush or felt tip pen
would get what I like most out of a fountain pen, which is the smoothness, where you are looking for
kind of a toothiness, feedback, shape, and a pencil will give you that.
Yep, exactly. So, I don't know. I just kind of had this little, like, for me, like, I could only think of this
for me, right? Because it was hard enough to come up with any answer, period. I was like, what would I think
as something that would represent an answer to this question? So, those were four things I came up with
rough. Like, rough coming up with this, but I wanted to work on it. I wanted to spend some time on it.
Do I have an answer? I don't know. Before we wrap this, I did want to say,
don't fall into the Pentel Tradio trap. This is a pen that I have
basically told people to avoid for years, if not decades. They originally marketed this as a fountain
pen, but it has this weird felt angled tip. I remember this pen. It's like this cross between
a felt tip and then, like, a calligraphy tip. Yeah. And they call it the Tradio fountain pen,
originally. They've kind of backed off that marketing because they actually do make a metal nib fountain pen
one. So, they've actually kind of... I've been looking around. I was like, oh, they don't use
fountain pen with this type of pen much anymore because it's not. Yeah. So, don't fall into this
trap. It's just technically a bad pen, right? And this doesn't fit the answer because it's a big pen
anyway. But don't fall into the trap of thinking this is going to give you some type of fountain pen
feedback or style of writing. I mean, technically, it does give you that little brush style, little bit
of an edge to it. It's better in theory than it is in practice. I just thought it was actually just a
poor product, right? You're going to be better off just buying a micron or a calligraphy nib,
something specific for what you want to do instead of something like this that's trying to be all
encompassing. And I just think it's not enjoyable to write with. So, that's my list.
We'll see what the feedback is on this question from the asker. But I want to know what listeners
think about a fountain pen feel in a non-fountain pen, specifically a pocket pen if you can come up
with something. What do you think meets that criteria? Is that a thing? You can just tell me
that's not a thing. And I mean, I'd kind of buy that too, right? I'd say this is not a thing.
You have to change or meter your expectations a little bit. Can you get close? Can you figure
out some things? So, also, it's very personal. To your point of this whole conversation,
your answers would be extremely different from mine, right? Based on the fountain pens that you
actually use. So, yeah, I think it's super, it was a, this was a fun little experiment. I don't know
that I got anywhere, but I do like thinking about this kind of stuff, right? This is my kind of,
my kind of question. And it was, it was tough. It was tough. So, yeah, let us know. Love to hear
your feedback on that. You can, you know, obviously email me, hello at penaddict.com.
You can get us at penaddictfeedback.com. And yeah, definitely give me some thoughts if you spend
some time thinking about this, because I certainly did. And I don't know that I got anywhere.
Oh, one last thing. Okay. The brush pens going, circling all the way back to the top,
I meant to mention this. Several of the brush pens, especially Pilot, I believe, I don't have this
pulled up, call themselves pocket brush pens. They're not, they're just full size, like a
secure pigment microcron. So that's another thing. Are they getting around, is that like,
typically a brush pen would not have a cap? No. So they're saying something like you can take
these with you? I think they're saying you can take these with you because they're refillable with
our cartridges. Okay. I think the pocket is being used to suggest this is different to another
type of brush pen though, right? Like what they're getting at? Okay. Yep. You can put a cap on
these, take them with you. They've got refills in them. Like they're not like just a thing that sits
at a desk. Yep. Okay. Correct. So they're just not a, what we would consider a pocket size pen or
standard size pen, but they use that in the, in, in the product title is pocket. And I didn't even
list that one because it's a very, very soft tip. It's a popular pen. It's just a very, very,
very soft tip. So very, mostly art usage as opposed to like me writing, writing usage. So there you go.
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Yellow is the winner for me, but I also really love the sky blue one as well. Like, they both really,
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materials on it. And I'm just like, I'm not looking at the card. I'm not looking at the materials. I
don't want any spoilers on this. And I just start opening the box. And then I opened it and unsheathed
the pen. And it was like, you know, like Pulp Fiction gold briefcase moment, right? It was just,
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like, sunrise. It's very, like, energy-inducing, like this pen. This is, like, the pen I want to
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couple different patterns on there. Mine's, like, the wave. Oh, that's the Maoloa. Maoloa
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pattern on this one. And it's beautiful. So, I was looking around. I was like, ah, this material's
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well, they haven't done this before, right? On the little medallion. I was like, my medallion's
blue. And I had to start going, looking. I was like, they haven't done this before,
right? So, yeah. And then I, you know, like a good person would do is like, well, let's
look at the paper where I can see. So, I love the shape. I love the brightness of this
pen and just the colors. It's really just kind of like a happy, uplifting pen. Yeah. Right.
And I like that. It's a change. Not that the previous one, the Papa Kalea, is not bright
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I like how they kind of change it up from edition to edition.
I do think that there is a, there is a vividness in this pen, like a very bright vividness, which
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the original, original Kaleas were very bright in color. Um, and where I feel like they've
kind of, they've had more either understated tones or deep tones in a lot of the more recent
ones. And this one is, is like, it screams off the page at you, like, which is very, very
in, like out and proud, I would say.
Yeah. It's a very, which is correct for the 10th anniversary edition, right?
I think so. Yeah. And so like, it feels like a celebration. The best way I've put, I can
put it like with the Kalea pens and why you and I like them so much, not to put words in
your mouth is that I like, we, we are spoiled for choice in this industry and where we spend
our money at the end of the day. I want a pen that makes me feel something. Right. And
this is kind of what you get, like from the moment I opened the box is like, okay, it's
like, fine. It's like, you got me. It's like, I, it makes you feel something.
And like, you know, honestly, not all pens make you do that. Right. So I appreciate
the work that they put into it and the storytelling behind it and the execution. Um, last thing for
me, and I've said this probably every time that they've been on the show, there's no
better fit and finish of any maker pen. Yeah. I will, I will stand on that. Yeah. Um, just
the, the feel of the pens and the finish and the fit of it is noticeable. It's something
I noticed very, very clearly. Yeah. You, you've put something better than I was about
to say, like you, you've kind of summed it up really well, but like, I will add on to
it. It's like, you know, like obviously they sponsor the show, but like they don't, and
we talk about how we feel, but like things like what I'm about to say is not what they're
paying for, but it's how I feel, which is like, there are lots of pen companies and brands
that produce a product with like bright or like vivid swirled acrylic, right? Like
it's, it's a trend that has occurred over the last however many years, but I just don't
think anybody does it better and more consistently than kind of layer. Yeah. And not a, so you're
going to get me going down a rabbit hole. Um, they do it sparingly and controlled and
which I appreciate. Yeah. Right. So yeah. And like they, they produce, they don't just
produce like, Oh, here's this thing. There's four of them, you know, and then like wait a
while and you can get another one. It's like, no, here is our product now. Like this is the
product. You can come and buy this product and it's in our offering and it will be here
until it's not like it. They've, they have found a way to do this. I think really
professionally and I really respect that. Yep. So congratulations to them. Yeah.
Congratulations on the 10th anniversary. You can go see this pen at the Chicago pen
show. What next week? I think. Yep. Yeah. I have a Hiroshizuku Konpeki in mine. Ooh,
that's a good call. I was thinking about putting a yellow ink of some kind in, but I was like,
no, no, I've done that too much. And so I was kind of digging through and I was like, well,
I haven't used Konpeki in a while. And as soon as I put it in, I was like, Oh yeah,
that was the right, that was the right answer. Very ocean. So ocean. I love it. All right.
You ready to go to our shout out of the week? Shout out of the week. And if I had like an
angel sound, like I would play it now for what we're about to talk about. Okay. So you feel
that way too, this caught me very off guard and I've had to read this like 10 times. So
we're going to say the shout out of the week is for the Nagahara model number one. But what
this is, is a particular pen that's released at Bunga Box Japan. And this is from a pen from
Yukio Nagahara, who formerly of Sailor for many, many decades, their nibmeister at Sailor now on his
own as the nib shaper. And I'm sure many people who've been, who are very deep into this industry
and have gotten, you know, nib grinds at different shows have, are familiar with, uh, uh, Nagahara's
work. So this is a pen that was made. Um, only 50 of these pens were made and it's an ebonite
barrel and it's got some like, uh, ridges and I don't know, it's a really, really beautiful pen.
I have to kind of look at the details of the pen a little bit more, but it's stunning. I don't know.
It's a really neat shape. And the concept is that the nib shaper Nagahara has essentially made a raw
tipping on the end of each of these pens. Therefore you buy this pen with the intent of getting it
finished by, uh, Nagahara himself. And it's kind of a wild setup, but for him, it makes total sense.
Like, how does it actually work? Like when you buy this pen, how do you get the nib that you have to go?
I would imagine there is a coordination. I wouldn't be surprised if like, like say Bungu box,
for example, um, might have like an in-store, right? Yeah. I'm an appointment or something.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I don't know. Right. I don't know all the details, but I'm kind of like
fascinated by this whole thing. So yeah, it's basically an unground nib and there's only 50
opportunities to pick this up and then have this done. I, I guess, does the grind come in the price?
I haven't even looked at the price. I'm sure it does. I'm sure. It's gotta be, you know,
the point of it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, cool. It's so cool. I don't know. I'm kind of fascinated by this
whole thing. Who makes this pen? I don't know. It looks like a sailor to me. So the middle,
the black parts, so it's a black and silver pen. Uh, the black is ebonite. Cause that's a sailor
clip. It is a sailor clip. Yeah. Now that you say that it's not, it's not a sailor shape necessarily.
No, it's not branded. It's yeah, it's not branded. It's Rialo ish in shape with those tapers on the
ends, but it's looks a little bit bigger than a Rialo. Rialos are pretty small. Yeah. I don't know.
This whole thing is wild. I, I wanted to look in this more. This just kind of caught me off guard
and the more I read, the more I just went down like, yes, like this is amazing. Like I, I like
that they're doing this. So Bungu box literally has edition number model, number one. So I don't
know if they're numbered or whatever, but they're, they're claiming like, this is number one of the
50 and there's only 50. So I honestly, Mike, now that you say that since he travels to a bunch of
pen shows, I bet these come with him. Oh, and you, I bet they're not all store things. Yeah. Yeah.
Cause he, he basically does like a bunch of pen shows. Like he'll be maybe in San Francisco,
you know, he'll do like Manila or, you know, and I bet you just buy it there.
For like a billion dollars. Cause this pen is very reminiscent to me of the blue black
that I have, the Bungu box blue black. Right. Um, like, you know, which was also, yeah,
that was it. Yeah. Um, it's also like ridged.
Are they raised or are they just like a visual? Like, no, no, no. They, they like cut into the
acrylic and filled it with blue. Yeah. It's tactile. Yes, it is tactile. Yeah. So this looks
kind of like the big brother of that pen. Exactly. So like, where is this coming from?
But yeah, it's a wild story. I want to know more about it. Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. Something
to look at. So yeah, if you're really like, this is like very, very deep down the rabbit hole. And if
you're, if you're in that place, this is something to just go like, you know, check
out and see someone doing something a little bit different and unique and fun. I think
it's pretty cool. So. All right. Um, I need you to do some investigative journalism for
me. Okay. So I received a package that I bought of two Kuru Togos. One was the Kuru Togo
wood, which is truly one of the greatest products I've ever held in my hands. Okay. I'm in
love with that. Right. Yep. Okay. I also got the Lamy Safari.
Kuru Togo inside. Yeah. I can't work out how this is doing the Kuru Togo thing because
the refill is not the same. What do you mean? The refill is not the same. It's not the same
mechanism. Okay. It doesn't look the way that a Kuru Togo looks, but it has the marker
on it, right? It has a, it has a porthole on the barrel, right? In a rotation. Is it
not rotating from color to not color? I can't see the rotation and it doesn't look like when
I, when I take it apart, it doesn't look like the way a Kuru Togo looks. Have you already
broken it? No, no, no, no. Like how you would, how you would like kind of take it apart to
refill it or whatever. I mean, it's not a speed racer rotation. Like it takes some time. It's
like, like you're a watch person. Like it's slowly going to go around as you're writing.
I'm just, it just, it just can't work it out. And so like you said you're getting one
of these, right? I haven't ordered one, but of course I will be getting, I just want you
to, to, to kind of, cause it's, it's just feels, it feels less, so much less obvious
that I'm not sure it's working the same way. Fair. Okay. I wonder if they've, they've actually
developed a different way to, to do the rotation for this product. Yeah. I wonder if it was like
a fit issue and they had to make an adjustment. Okay. Now you see like the teeth. Yeah. It
doesn't have that. Okay. Cause you can unscrew the cone in the end. Yeah. And there's nothing
there. Yeah. I mean it's, yeah. Cause it's, it's up the barrel inside. Yeah. Yeah. When
you get it, I just want you to look at it cause it just, so it doesn't feel as obvious to me
as the regular Kuru Toga does. I gotcha. So I've been very patient for this. Yeah. Just
waiting. Right. Because in the, at the end of the day, it's not going to be the greatest
Kuru Toga ever. No. But it's something I, yeah, it's something I very much want though.
Right. And I'm excited that it exists. It fixes this pencil, but I've just been patient
because like I didn't need to rush to get this one. Right. Yeah. But now you actually
have me much more curious and maybe I'll just escalate in getting this and see, then
we're going to have to have like an OG mechanism versus a current Safari mechanism and to see
if there's any difference in them. So yeah, this is my, this is my kind of investigation.
It's very possible that I am overthinking this, but like it just doesn't, it just doesn't
look the same. It doesn't act the same. Fair enough. Fair enough. You know what? I'm
actually, I'm looking at the Vista one and I can't tell. Which color did you get? I got
yellow. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Maybe I'll get the Vista so I can get the full visual, but I don't
know. Keep using it. Yeah. It's got the porthole in it. And so that orange will rotate, right?
Yeah. That's, that's how, that's where we show you that it works because this is the piece
that, that moves. Yeah. Which it did do. As soon as I started using it. I don't know,
man. I'm probably overthinking this. I love it. This is why we do this. It's just who
I am. You know, I can't help it. Yeah. This is why we do this. And this is why I reviewed
the Kakamori Frost fountain pen. Okay. Hesitantly. This is such an interesting pen to me and I've
waited a couple of years to actually get mine because I was pretty sure from the time I first
held this pen in 2024 at stationary fest that I, I hesitate to say it wasn't going to like
it, but I was like, Oh yeah, this isn't really for me. Like I don't see the point here, but
they keep releasing them. They keep having these great colors. I think it's a great looking pen,
right? So this is, this is, um, by the brand Japanese brand Kakamori, who is more widely
known in our spaces for the, the bullet, uh, nibs that they use, um, or ink swatching, writing
dip pens, things like that. And they've made like a fountain pen. And this is the theory behind
this pen. Mike is that it has the swappable front end. Um, I only got the fountain pen tip
because I generally don't like the roller ball tip, but you can just swap out the tip in
this. If you want to use a roller ball tip with a fountain pen ink cartridge or converter,
right? So that's kind of like a combo meal with this pen. I want to like this pen so much more
than I do. And I don't dislike it. It just doesn't do anything for me because at the same time I'm
using it and feeling it and writing with it. I also know how much it costs and those things,
all those things together in my head don't add up. So it's $58 in like in a vacuum. That seems fine.
Um, I mean, it seems, you know, probably seems expensive, but I was like, you know, there's
lots of pens in this range that are expensive. Like the pilot Pereira is, it comes to mind,
it's like $64 and it doesn't offer that much. Um, and you know, it's, it's lightweight and things
like that, but I just couldn't get all the way there. And I'm not even going to get all the way
there talking about it today because it confuses me that much because I really want it to be
spectacular. I think maybe I've just over, I, my ex, I can't manage my own expectations
of wanting this pen to be something, say like a Y studio resin fountain pen that I shouldn't like.
And I ended up loving and this one I should like by style and design, but it just doesn't add up to
me when, you know, I think about comparing it to a platinum preppy or platinum pre-fonte more
specifically, um, you know, a pilot cocoon, things in the low teens. I just kind of can't get there
with this one. And I, I'm a little bit flummoxed as to why. Um, so yeah, I really didn't have much
to say because I'm still confused about my feelings of this pen. Um, but go read the review,
check it out. I think a lot, it's beautiful and they have some other colors like the greens and
the oranges are really, really nice as well. But yeah, it just didn't click, didn't click all the
way. Um, if it was like half the price, maybe I'd think a little bit differently about it, but I don't
know. I wanted to like it more. I couldn't get all the way there. And therefore I enjoy reviewing
products like that because there's kind of, I mean, I don't want to say there's no conclusion.
My conclusion was I can't recommend this, but it doesn't mean it's bad question mark. So it's such
a weird, weird product. So I don't know, just one of those things. It's definitely a very me topic to
talk about. It's like, yeah, I don't know. I want to like this more and it just didn't get there.
Um, so I've been doing some research in the background. Okay. The, and I don't know what
this really means, but it might be what I'm noticing is different. The Lamy Safari has the
Curitoga KS model mechanism in it, which was a, is a different one that was introduced to reduce,
uh, wobble pen tip, like the pencil tip wobble. Yeah. Yeah. Sideways. And maybe that is constructed
in a different way. So it doesn't look how I expect it to look in that regard, but like
it's done differently. And that's what I'm noticing that I'm super used to the standard
Curitoga design. And this isn't that. So that would make sense that the front end is different
because that's the area where that mechanism, the, the anti wobble would be in place. Yeah.
Which is different from the, uh, traditional base, um, Curitoga. So that's, uh, more of
a front end mechanism there or area where you would see a difference. Yeah. I get that.
Okay. So that might be what I'm noticing. Fair enough. That it's not, not that this is a
massive difference, but I'm very familiar with the Curitoga and it just doesn't, it just doesn't
seem to look the same. And I think it's because it's a different, it's the different engine
I'm not used to. Yeah. This is why I don't use the Curitoga advance, which I don't like.
That's the one that will continue to extend the lead as well. I want to try that. I don't
need that. I think that's an interesting idea. Oh, people love it. People love it. It's just
not for me. It's a bit lazy though, isn't it? It's like, it's like, how much can we solve
writing here? The next one is just the Curitoga writes for you. Like you just, you just let
it go and it just does the thing. AI Curitoga. Oh, I love it. Curitoga AI is exactly what
everybody's been needing. You know what? Don't give Mitsubishi, I wouldn't, yeah, I wouldn't
put it past them. Especially now that they have Lamy and Lamy's done all that digital writing
stuff that has generally failed. Like don't give them any ideas. Don't give them any ideas.
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the Pilot Murex. Okay. And this has been a historical pen in this show and that we've talked about it
since probably single digits. Time frame just has a very interesting pen, a very unique pen, and a pen
that I personally say is my favorite pen of all time. So does that still hold true, right? Every
year there's more pens coming by and more pens we're trying and things like that. Does it still stand
up? And the reason why I'm putting this in here, because one of the things I do on Twitch stream
is we have, if anyone is familiar with Twitch, the viewers watch and just by their watch time,
they gain like channel points, right? And then the creator, myself, can say, hey, you can do these
things with channel points. It's just like a free little, you know, thing. So for a certain amount
of channel points, someone can make me fill a fountain pen, right? That's the redemption. And
they get to pick, they get to pick the pen and they get to pick the ink with very little restrictions.
There's a couple of things like I won't do, right? Like put some, yeah, I'm not going to put the
shimmer in a Murex, right? Like, like that's just not going to happen, right? There's, but, but with
the point is I want very few limitations because I want people to mix things up.
Well, yesterday the redemption was to ink up one of my Murexes because I have two. I have a standard
black trim one. Then I have a smaller, skinnier red trim one. And I haven't inked up the red trim
one in a long time, literally probably a couple of years. And so I got that inked up with Pilot
Orochizuku Tsukiyo, which is, you know, one of the, one of the two S tier Orochizuku
inks. If we go back to my tier list in the previous episode of the show. And I inked it up, I put it
on the page and I pretty much blacked out. It's the best pen and nib and ink combination ever. I
could get rid of all of my pens and keep the Murex and I would be happy. That's how that pen
feels to me. So I just wanted to put that on record. The Murex continues to hold up for me
and how I like it. This is not going to be a pen for everybody, right? And we talk about this all
the time, right? You know, I, one of my goals in everything that I do is help people find the pen
that is for them. You know, I'm going to find a pen for you that you feel like I feel about the Murex,
right? Um, it's ridiculous how perfect this pen is for me, how much of a nail it writes with,
with just a stock fine nib, how small and fine this pen is. Uh, I don't know. It's crazy. So
that reminded me, um, that I need to update my analog defaults page, which we talked about earlier
this year. And I've already put like one, I've already changed like one or two things. This is a,
not a permanent what I'm using page, but this are, these are the standout products that I currently use.
And I've changed. Let's see. I think I added the pilot explorer, um, because I've been using that one
a lot, uh, to this list. So we'll have a link in the show notes and you can go see my explanation of
what this is. And I think I have a couple of changes I want to make. And one of them is the
Murex is going to go on the fountain pen list. Um, and it only, the only reason, so this is again,
not a permanent all time list. This is more of a snapshot. Um, and when I was making the list,
like I wasn't using the Murex, like it wasn't, you know, it wasn't putting in the work. So
what are the pens that we're putting in the work? And, you know, I have the pencils and gel ink pens
and kind of, kind of run the gamut of all the products. So there's a couple of things I want to
change here and tweak here. So like I'll, I'm going to swap out the wooden pencil. Um,
maybe the mechanical pencil. So I've done one or two small changes, but I'm due a little bit
broader change, um, for this. So I just wanted to put out there and, you know, um, relive the glory
that is the pilot Murex. I mean, for me, it's all about the M90. Yep. But it's a similar idea.
It's funny looking at your, the post that we put in the show notes, your fountain pen education post,
you say here, um, knowing that my podcasting partner, Mike Hurley had never seen or heard
of the pen. I sent him a link to the Murex to check out. My headset was promptly filled with an
OMFG type expletives. And then he said something that I agree with completely. If Apple made a pen,
this is what it would look like. Yeah. I still believe that. Yeah. This, this article was from
2013. Yeah. So it's the, the engineering and the seamlessness. I mean, it's, it's actually why I
like the M90 more. I think the M90 does that even more because the, there's no even grip lines. Like
it's just like perfect, you know? Um, but yes, this, I just, I cannot understand again, still,
why did you not make a product like this today? It makes no sense. It would sell so well, so well,
because people who don't know anything about fountain pens would buy this pen the way they
buy Montblanc's because you see this and you're like, that looks really fancy. And I don't even
think it's a cost thing at this point. Like this doesn't, I mean, I don't know. Right. But like,
I think they could make this for $300, like easily to sell for like, I don't know, maybe not.
The only question I have is, is the quality control in this pen more difficult? Yeah, maybe. Like,
is that the blocker? Is the fact that it is, the nib is formed from the body of the pen,
essentially, does that make it harder to make well? I don't know. Maybe, maybe. All right,
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STPA and we'll wrap it up? Do indeed. Pilot writes in and says, I have not been a fountain.
It's not that. It's not that. Are you sure? Well, we'll find out when, when you hear the
question, you'll feel confident. I've not been a fountain pen user, but I love the discussion.
I've come into possession of several pilot varsity pens. They are so easy to use and a
nice writer. Have you discussed this pen before? What are your thoughts? Actually, I was wrong.
This may, this may well be pilot. That is what pilot would say, right? If they're coming in here.
Talk about it. Right. Right. Um, so pilot is pilot's not wrong in this case. Um, so the pilot varsity
is their entry level fountain pen that you can buy in bulk and it's a non-refillable black. I think
they might have blue, but I mostly know them as a black medium nib and you can buy them in like a 12
pack. So like you would actually see these at offices sometimes. It is a very good pen, but the
problem is usually the area you acquire them in a lot of cases, since like I mentioned, you can buy
them in bulk. They will end up in people's hands who are using them with regular copy paper or bad
paper. And this is a very inky pen. It is very good to see if you like fountain pens and it's a
very good quality pen and it's a great nib and it's a great ink, just even the basic black ink.
And if you like that, you will move on from it very quickly, right? Because there are better
options for not much more money. Um, but it is a high quality starter pen and that's all it is.
It's a beginner pen, maybe an art pen, but an artist is going to want a refillable pen. Um,
and there's all there, you can go find like pilot varsity hacks to like magically refill these,
you know, by, you know, syringing it up in the barrel and things like that, but they're not
designed to be refillable, like say like a platinum preppy. Um, but yeah, great pen, great nib,
very, um, small window of opportunity, I believe. And, um, it's just kind of to see if you like
fountain pens. Uh, I take that back. I think now that I'm thinking about it, I think they do make
like purple and green. I think they might like have like a five color pack. I'll have to go look,
but anyway, um, good pen. And once you decide you like it, you'll move on. Alan writes in and says,
I judged high school debate for the first time in a bit. And I used my old standbys pilot,
better ballpoint and fine in multiple colors, but they're really light and don't flip as well as
heavier pens. No, I didn't understand this. Do you think that Alan means like they're like doing
tricks with the pens? No. And it took me a second. I think he actually means the click and I think it
might be, uh, um, like a, like a automatic, like typo refill. I think, I think he means they're
really light and don't click as well as heavier pens. I could be wrong, but that's my note because
the pilot better ballpoint is a retractable flip. I think, yeah, that means like retracting. Yes,
a good one. That's a good one. All right. So I'm looking for refills that fit in spoke pens that are
whoa, I know really fine to fit many notes on a sheet of paper. Do not feather or bleed on terrible
budget legal pads. Never or almost never skip and fast drying. Also spoke multi-pen when?
We've had people asking for that. I can't even fathom what that would cost us to make.
Us with multi-pen? It'd be insane. Yeah. In our style of pen. It would be so big too.
It would be so big. It would be like, it's awful just to think about. Maybe some two color multi-pen,
but people don't think two color when they think multi-pen. Maybe a Colito, right? Because
it's like super tiny. Jeez Louise. But can you imagine, like, I know you could like technically
make a mechanism to make that work. It would be miserable. I would, I would hate like making
the design process for that would be just outrageously expensive. So back to Alan's question,
or maybe this is Brian. Again, we had a pilot plant. Now we have a spoke plant. Yeah.
So maybe it's my partner, Brian, uh, planting this. Um, I don't know what, um, refill. I don't know
what model they're looking for, but if they want a retractable, like the better ballpoint. So our
model C is like a good retractable and it can fit the jet stream Parker style refills. And you can
find those in 0.5 millimeter, I think if not 0.7, which is plenty fine enough. And they will write
on any paper. They will have a very, very clean line. Never skip. They dry instantly. Like it is
very clear what this answer would be to me. Um, the jet stream it's, um, I'd have to get the model
here. It's, it's in this pin SXR 07 or something like that. Let me look at it. I'm going to
disassemble, disassemble a spoke roadie, but they do fit in the spoke click model C pin. Um, let me
get you the exact refill type here, which is the jet stream SXR dash 600 dash 07. I do think they make
an 05. I don't have one. Um, these aren't the easiest refills to find, but you can find them out
there and they're, uh, they're great. So you're limited to just kind of just black ink, but it,
it answers every question. Unlike the topic we started this show with where we didn't answer
any questions. This, this directly answers every question you have perfectly.
All right. So we're going to tie up today's episode with, uh, I'm going to say this is
like a bookend to the beginning of the show. Oh man, the fix is in. Yeah. Matcha writes in and
says, I love my spoke axle S. I'm sad they're no longer being produced. I mean, they still, okay.
Click clear point of clarity. They're available. Yeah. They're available. Okay. Until they sell out
and then they're no longer available. Then they're no longer. Yeah. Yeah. But there's plenty available.
Okay.
Chill, Matcha. All right. All right. I'm fond of many pocket pens, but I have to wonder what pocket
is this, what pocket is this pocket term referring to? My Kaweco often falls out of my pants pocket
and not all of my shirts have pockets. So I have a selection of questions here. Yeah. What
pocket do you put your pens in? That's question one. You can answer it. Do you? Okay. So there
is pocket bias here. When I talk about pocket pens, I'm talking man's front pocket, a front
pant or short pocket. Which man? So me. Okay. Maybe you have a pen boy. I don't know. That's
even, that's even more biased. This is specifically my front pocket. Right. So there is pant pocket
bias here when we deal with, okay. So front, right, front, right, Brad, Brad's front, right
pocket. That's where we're, that's where everyone puts their pocket pens. Okay. I never put pens
in a pocket. If they go in any pocket, they go in the pocket of a bag. Sure. That's generally
more of the pocket. I do not put pens in my pocket. Okay. What else goes in that pocket?
Is it a pen only pocket? No. Only my front pocket wallet, which is a smooth leather. So
nothing will bang up against each other and damage each other. Okay. So I'll give you a
quick, I put my wallet in my back pocket. Don't just leave me alone. That's where it
goes. Yeah, it's fine. Old man. Front right pocket is my iPhone. Front left pocket is my keys
in my AirPods. That's my, that's my pocket situation. Gotcha. Gotcha. So yeah, does it
go in back pockets? The next question is, do your pens ever go in back pockets? Never. Like,
are you insane? Yeah, that's a bad idea. That's a bad idea. And finally, a fishing
vest is the way of the future for those of us who love having multiple pens on us all
time. No, no. So your other carry options. So for clipless pens, I'm, or even clip
pens, I'm fine with that front, front right, Brad's front right pocket carry. And then other
pen, if I want to, I might clip it to a shirt because I don't just wear like a t-shirt.
That would be difficult to clip. I usually wear like a button type shirt so I can clip it to
the placket or to the pocket on there, on the shirt. Otherwise, I would go straight to a bag.
And then no matter how small a pen case is, the pen case is never going to go in my pocket. I would
have to go to a bag or something smaller like that. You know, like I have some small two and
three pen cases. Those are just still too big to go in a pocket. I'm like a single pen in a pocket
person. No more, any more than that, we're going to start to like having extra carry stuff.
If you would like to send in a question for us to answer on a future episode of the show,
just go to penaddictfeedback.com. You can send us your questions there along with your feedback and
follow up if you have any about this episode. If you would like to find Brad online, go to
penaddict.com. He is on twitch.tv slash penaddict and sells products of spokedesign.com. You can find
me and this show at relay.fm. I am also at theenthusiast.net and at cortexbrand.com.
Thank you to Pen Chalet, Squarespace and the Canalea Pen Company for their support of this week's
episode and we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye, Brad. Goodbye, Brad.

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