The Pen Addict 604/transcript
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00:00:06 Myke
From Relay FM, this is the Pen Addict episode 604. Today's show is brought to you by Pen Chalet and Uni pizza ovens. My name is Michael and I'm joined by Brad Dowdy. Hi Brad.
00:00:18 Brad
Hey, Mike, how's it going?
00:00:19 Brad
Today I'm really good.
00:00:20 Myke
How are you?
00:00:21 Brad
I am really good as well, probably because it's race week. I mean it is because we're talking about pins, but it is rocky.
00:00:27
It's rock cake.
00:00:30 Brad
So we we had our little pregame, that's pretty much all we.
00:00:33 Brad
Talked about.
00:00:34 Brad
Was the upcoming F1 season.
00:00:38 Brad
So yeah, make sure you follow mikes. Work over at the back markers and we'll we'll put some links in the show notes. Yeah, for that. This week. Y'all, do you and Austin do quarterly check-ins?
00:00:49 Myke
I mean.
00:00:50 Myke
At this point it has kind of just become.
00:00:52 Myke
A few.
00:00:54 Myke
Episodes a year for the season is.
00:00:56 Brad
Yeah, whenever the drama happens, if we, if we need to, if we need to talk, which means you might have two or three.
00:01:02 Brad
Episodes in the first week, yeah.
00:01:05 Myke
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot going on right now.
00:01:09 Brad
But hey, we don't let F1 have all the fun with the drama. We have our own drama here in the pen world.
00:01:16 Brad
Let me tell you, I'm pretty much done with talking about Lamy, dark lilac and I think probably a lot of the listeners are.
00:01:20 Myke
I actually, well, we're we're not dunks. We gonna talk about it before we actually get to the the new goings on. So we're sitting down on the so for a couple of I think over the last weekend.
00:01:24 Brad
Oh yeah, yeah.
00:01:31 Myke
And Adina is like ohh one. My one of our friends, she sent me this. TikTok about mommy drama. And I'm like Oh my God.
00:01:39 Myke
So like it had found its way into the TikTok algorithm and it's serving this drama because it's like and the the TikTok is positioned around the side like she sent it because she knows that I do.
00:01:50 Myke
Right. But like.
00:01:51 Myke
The driver is centered around.
00:01:54 Myke
Like the craziness that there could be drama in the fountain pen community, like, that's how it begins. But this, this person was a pen creator, but they, you know, that was kind of like the the way they positioned this TikTok as it was like, oh, look at this pen people crazy about an ink. So yeah, that's where we are.
00:02:15 Brad
Yeah, that is where we are and hopefully this is kind of the last time. Hopefully this is probably the last time I talk about, although I will be getting a bottle of Lamy dark like at some point just because like it, it's gonna be a good ink. It's a good ink regardless, but.
00:02:24 Myke
Yeah, of course.
00:02:29 Brad
Long story short, and then we'll we'll do the the long story long, Long story short, the Lamy Dark Lilac 2024 edition is officially different than the original 2016 edition, and that is where it's coming from. Lamy. So fountain pen.
00:02:48 Brad
Themes on Instagram has done an exceptional job of tracking this. They have, they've been pounding the pavement.
00:02:52 Myke
They've been putting in the footwork, Brad. That's what's been going on over there.
00:02:59 Brad
They've been being the journalist in this situation, asking.
00:03:03 Myke
Yeah. Clark Kent kind of work happening over there at Fountain Pen.
00:03:07 Brad
Which you wouldn't expect.
00:03:09 Myke
Account court fountain pen means but nevertheless, here we are.
00:03:14 Brad
Yeah. So there's basically 3 posts you can follow, so I'm calling it how it began. So exciting and then oops.
00:03:23 Brad
Is kind of how we get how this whole thing goes. So how it began is pretty much what you heard on last week's show. I'm not gonna rehash everything. It's Lami actually created an ink called dark lilac.
00:03:35 Brad
That they launched in the European market 1st, but it's coming worldwide and you can, like I said, you can go back last week and figure out why. That's like a big deal in our little world. There was a previous ink from 2016 that everyone loved and it became rare and highly sought after and very expensive. So Lami had the grand plan to come out with a new dark lilac and everyone wants to know.
00:03:56 Brad
Is this the same? Is it different?
00:03:59 Brad
The best part of the week for me was when fountain Pen memes talked to Lami USA's distributor and basically said, hey, yeah, here's the question is 2024 dark lilac the same color formulation as 2016?
00:04:19 Brad
Dark Lilac Lama USA says yes, so that's a very important question. That fountain memes ask is not just the same color, but formulation.
00:04:28 Brad
And then yeah, we got through the other other questions is dark like worldwide standard product? Yes, it's a standard product. Is it the same ink as the BlackBerry Violet, which we're going to talk about later in the show, which is the 2024 Lamy Special Edition Ink? It's no, it's not the same. And there you go. So that's Part 2, so hey.
00:04:48 Brad
It's the same age.
00:04:50 Brad
Until it isn't. So Lamar USA. Literally. I believe the same day because this is when I got a text with this new e-mail in directly from Lami Lami the mothership in Germany.
00:05:06 Brad
I'm going to read this whole thing.
00:05:08 Brad
So this was an inquiry which we never see Lami. I can't believe they answered this question to be quite honest so.
00:05:13 Myke
I can.
00:05:15 Myke
You can at this point. Yeah, I I understand. What? Yeah.
00:05:15 Brad
Point. Well, they've caused their own problems. They've caused their own problems here.
00:05:20 Brad
After your mail, I checked again with the persons actually producing our inks and they confirmed that we tried to produce exactly the same shade of ink dark Violet as in 2016. However, the red dye we use then is not available anymore. So is there is indeed a slight difference between the shade and 2016?
00:05:40 Brad
And the new one?
00:05:42 Brad
Please pass on this information and apologize in our name for the incorrect reply yesterday. That's very German response there. I love that one. So it it's so again if you don't care, all you need to know is this is not the same ink. I will say it looks pretty good. It looks really good. It looks very close. It is clearly not the same when you put them side by side at least.
00:05:48 Myke
I love.
00:05:49 Myke
I love that.
00:06:02 Brad
I can tell like immediately they're they're not the same, but it's a good looking thing. I'm just glad we have this clarification. I am I. Why are you not surprised they put out this information publicly?
00:06:12 Myke
Just cause it's gotten to be too much of a thing now and and I.
00:06:15 Myke
I think at the point where any official representative spoke on behalf of law may, which Lammy, USA did at that Point, Loma, Germany. If they have additional information, need to communicate it, because I can see what's happened here. The plan was we are recreating dark lilac. That was their plan.
00:06:35 Myke
Right. And that has what has been communicated within the company. But then just during production, they're like, oh, we can't do this. We'll, we'll, we'll do a different ink then and.
00:06:44 Myke
We'll get close.
00:06:45 Myke
And so for them it's like, well, this is the same thing, right? You can see how that becomes a thing of inside of the company. Like we want to make dark lilac again.
00:06:54 Myke
This is as close as we can get. We're going to call it dark lilac. The formulation is the same, except we have to use the different inks, right? So that they're going for the same thing, but it's a slightly different color, like slightly different. So they're like, this is Doug. Why like now we've done it.
00:07:10 Myke
And this goes back to exactly what the title of last week's episode.
00:07:16 Myke
Do not attribute to malice that which could be attributed to other people not.
00:07:21 Myke
Caring as much.
00:07:21 Myke
As you do about that one hyper specific thing that is Mike's razor, right, this is this is what we've got going on over here on the pan Addict now. And I think this is the this is an exact.
00:07:27 Brad
The 8th.
00:07:34 Myke
Example of what I'm talking about set.
00:07:36 Brad
Well, lobby found out that we did care.
00:07:39 Myke
But yes, but like you know what I mean that they set out to do something and they got close to the way that they thought they should. You know what I mean? Like this to them was like we've done it, gang. We got there. We had to make a compromise along the way.
00:07:56 Myke
What we got there, you know, and I think that.
00:07:58 Brad
Did we, though? Did we actually get there? That's my hang up.
00:08:00 Myke
Well, for them they did though Brad. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like problem for Lammy. They're like, this is dark lilac now.
00:08:03 Brad
That's the.
00:08:08 Myke
You've surely been in this situation where, yes, have had a production run where you've had to make a slight tweak. You continue selling the product as it is and in your mind, you're like no one's really going to notice this except for me.
00:08:22 Brad
The problem is this is such an own goal, right? It didn't have to be this way. If this was a standard lineup product that changed, I would have. We would not be talking about this.
00:08:33 Brad
But this was arguably the most popular product they've made in a decade. That up, and that was limited and not widely available. And they said, hey, look, same thing, look over here, look over here and it wasn't. And like, it's just so self-inflicted like it's like why did why isn't it?
00:08:51 Myke
It's an old ball. It's an it's an.
00:08:52 Brad
Own goal it's an own goal. Why isn't this called? This is back to my Tomori River thing. Why isn't this called Lami dark Violet like you would say?
00:09:01 Brad
If you would save like all of the drama, right, dark purple, dark Violet, anything but dark lilac, we don't have all of these conversations.
00:09:10 Myke
What? But what? What? Why would you know why? You know one? Because this was a really popular product that they want to benefit from the popularity of their own product. Right, which they call it, goes back to.
00:09:14 Brad
I know why. I know why. Because it happens in a marketing meeting. Yeah.
00:09:28 Myke
And the kutaka dive right, they increased the price of the product because they wanted to benefit from the fact that people were scalping it and she.
00:09:38 Myke
Was like why?
00:09:39 Myke
Should someone else be making more money from our products, right? This happens all the time like we're seeing it with Nintendo now. Completely different thing is expected.
00:09:48 Myke
Now the the Nintendo Switch will now launch in March of 2025 because they don't want scalpers to buy up the product they want. They want to have enough product available that they can flood the channel, and so that they can benefit from people wanting that thing like this happens all the time. Like, this isn't me. Like, I'm not like.
00:10:06 Myke
You know, going ashore for this corporation.
00:10:09 Myke
I'm just talking about, like, I think too often people.
00:10:16 Myke
Like they blame like ohh the bad cop. It's just a bunch of people and they're just trying to do something, you know? And like, I guarantee you the higher ups probably didn't even know about.
00:10:26 Myke
This they they didn't even know that it was a different red. Like something. Yeah, guaranteed.
00:10:32 Myke
Right. And they were like, ah, it will do.
00:10:35 Brad
Yep, guaranteed, guaranteed. Alright, so last point on this which I meant to make last week and then I forgot because we got so, so busy laughing at ourselves for this and.
00:10:36 Myke
You don't.
00:10:47 Brad
Because I do think it's completely silly, but it's it's fun to talk about. The last point is there is never a need to hoard special edition inks because companies will do this. It's been proven time and time again, and I've gotten caught up in it with Sailor.
00:11:04 Brad
Oh God, was the first time I realized it's like, oh, this is my favorite ink. I need 3 bottles of it, cause it's going away. Well then they keep releasing it like every few years. It's either that ink or something like you. You just don't need to to hoard special edition inks because there's always gonna be something that's close if not identical. And a lot of times from the exact same company that.
00:11:24 Brad
Made it the first time, so that's your. That's your PSA for today. You don't have to hoard inks. There's always. There's always gonna be something else. The amount of inks on the market right now is astonishing and there's no end in.
00:11:37 Brad
Site, so there's no need to buy 5 bottles of an ink because you think it might be going away because you're just actually limiting yourself from discovering other fun things that might be just as good or better down the line, and then all of a sudden you have 4 bottles that a company decides 3 years from now to release the exact same formulation of so.
00:11:57 Brad
There you go.
00:11:58 Brad
Bradt PSA of the day.
00:12:00 Myke
Good PSA a couple of weeks ago, Eric wrote in to ask for a recommendation. They got a new job, they got a pay rise and they wanted to to pick up a new pen. Eric has all steel nibs, their wife studios, Karen Dash 849, and Monteverdi strata. They were looking for.
00:12:20 Myke
Something new to celebrate and you would like to make some further recommendations.
00:12:24 Brad
Yeah. So I was actually having trouble answering that question because I got really hung up on the gold nib aspect of this, and that precluded me from mentioning maybe the most perfect pin to meet the thin and heavy requirement. And that's the auto hook design O3, which is one of my favorite pins.
00:12:44 Brad
It's a skinny, heavy pin. It does not have a gold nib, but it is an amazing nib, an amazing writer and that kind of fits the category. And if you just look at other who does a brand, you can maybe find something else. If you don't like the 03, there's some other thinner pins and some new options.
00:13:00 Myke
So, but also Eric didn't ask for.
00:13:04 Brad
We we didn't, but the way it was written made me.
00:13:04 Myke
Now we're thinking about that, right? Yeah. We feel like that's what we would want to suggest, right. Like, alright, take a step off.
00:13:10 Brad
Yeah, like I want to come with this. Yeah. I want to come with the step up answer. And I was having a tougher time with that. Waldman's another brand that Kim really yelled at me for not mentioning. She's the Wildman super fan and. And she's right. They have a lot of the skinny heavyweight barrels and gold nib options. So if you just look at that.
00:13:30 Brad
Overall, as a brand, there's some shapes in there umm, but I am such a design 03 fan and that's probably like the exact answer giving the Y Studio and Karen Dash 849 lol.
00:13:43 Brad
I would move straight into the design 03 and never look back, so that's just something I wanted to to revisit because I knew there was something in there that I I just couldn't pull out at the time I was answering that question, so I wanted to follow that one back.
00:13:59 Brad
Up so there.
00:14:00 Myke
You go, you published your review of the.
00:14:03 Myke
Novel or ikkaku, which is a pen that we've been talking about a bunch over the last few weeks. You know, I feel like you've kind of given the majority of your.
00:14:11 Myke
Billings that are in their review on the show, as I kept prompting you for it, but I had a question in reading through the the article that I didn't really feel like I necessarily got an answer to. Maybe you don't have an answer to it because.
00:14:23 Myke
It's a.
00:14:24 Myke
OK. Question. My question for you is if you had $700.00 to spend on a pen, would you choose this pen?
00:14:33 Brad
So I call this question the reviewer's dilemma right?
00:14:37 Myke
It's very it's a very I will, I will state it is a very unfair question to ask. Like I know that, but this is just where I am, where I'm a little hung up on this brand proposition.
00:14:49 Myke
That I I'm just not. I don't. I want you to tell me basically like is this.
00:14:56 Myke
The place to put that money cause you could get.
00:15:00 Myke
A similar pen I feel like from a lot of brands and so this is just where I'm hung up on novel moving into this this category.
00:15:12 Brad
And This is why it was difficult to write this review. I'm going to answer your question very directly and then we will go, we'll we'll discuss it. The answer is no.
00:15:21 Brad
OK. I would not if I had $700.00 to spend on a pen.
00:15:28 Brad
This probably doesn't make like the top five and probably the top 10 pins of.
00:15:34 Brad
Something I would choose, but where the reviewer's dilemma comes in is that is a very strict only for me opinion and it doesn't consider whether there is any technical issues, flaws, mispricing with the pen, which there's not.
00:15:54 Brad
Like I think the pen is well made. I think the price is fair. Like there's really no issues with the pen.
00:16:02 Brad
And then you also do, you have to say I also would not spend the money I would choose to spend it elsewhere, right? I don't know that that that's why I like having the podcasts and other platforms, because I think there's one part review, but I have to understand in my review, people want to know, Brad, what decision would you?
00:16:22 Brad
To make if you were you, if you had this choice to make, and my my choice would be no, I would not spend this money on this pen.
00:16:31 Brad
And while I was using this pen, I used it for several weeks. I enjoyed every second of it. I I kept thinking, it's like, oh, maybe I should ask him, like, if I could buy this pen and I was like, no, that's like, like not the best use of my money. Like, if I wasn't gonna spend that money.
00:16:43 Brad
I'm gonna think about it a little bit more. It would have been like a like a convenient opportunity for me to e-mail them and purchase this pen.
00:16:52 Brad
But then when I say no, I would not spend the money on this pen. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with this pen, right? It's just sure that's where.
00:16:58 Brad
It boils down to my personal tastes.
00:17:01 Brad
And I don't know that I generally don't put that in a in a review. I would generally talk about.
00:17:09 Brad
Whether I like it or not and then I will call out any technical flaws like very directly, right. If I think there's a problem with the pen, I'll say it. If I think that it's like it's priced incorrectly, I'll say that like I'm very direct on those type of things. But like is this pin worth? It is only a question I can answer.
00:17:28 Brad
And everyone has to answer that for themselves. So this is hopefully providing information and I can answer more. And if you say, Brad, would you spend $700.00 on this pen?
00:17:39 Brad
You know, like I I wouldn't unless there was the. The problem is, there's other opportunities, right? This price point is very expensive, right? This is a ton of money to spend on a pen. I have very few pens that are more expensive than this, like, maybe a handful.
00:18:00 Brad
And I would just choose like the list of things I would choose.
00:18:05 Brad
For that amount of money, would it just be more because there's a couple of minor things that I don't find the value to be in? Like I have a real issue with this clip on this pin and that it's just very.
00:18:21 Brad
It doesn't feel sturdy to me. It's like it's it's thin and it's just not my style. Like I think it. Aesthetically it looks fine, but I just kind of can't get over like the thinness of it and that they use it in like it's fine to use it in other pens, but I've never liked it in the other pens either, right?
00:18:38 Brad
Like some of their ebonite pens that they use.
00:18:40 Brad
Things like that. You know, if you're spending $700.00, you know, like, literally, you could buy almost anything you want, right? You could buy a nakaya. You could buy a fancy platinum you could buy.
00:18:52 Brad
You know a a big sailor.
00:18:56 Brad
You could buy a lot of custom type of pens like you can really kind of like the world is your oyster with this type of money.
00:19:04 Brad
So you have to very specifically want this pin in this style, and I just think I would spend my money differently and that's not a knock on the pin itself, if that makes sense and that's that's why it's like it's like difficult to discuss that in a clear, concise way when there is literally nothing wrong with this pen.
00:19:25 Brad
Like whatsoever.
00:19:27 Myke
So yeah, I mean, so for me like one of the.
00:19:33 Myke
One of the things that I think about, you know, when I look at a pen like this, I I don't have many pens like this, like a rushi, pens or whatever. And I always go back to like, one of my absolute favorite pens, which is not a longer available, which is the 3776 Galaxy Starlight. Right, which is just truly an incredible pen.
00:19:53 Myke
And I think it was like $700.00 like a similar price point.
00:19:58 Myke
And I'm getting the platinum right? Yeah, with the platinum nib. And like, you know, it's got like, all of that stuff going on it it's just, it feels to me just complicated to.
00:20:03
Let's let's.
00:20:13 Myke
Look at a.
00:20:18 Myke
Newcomer in that space. Yeah. And make that decision when it, I mean. And also like I just say this, this one doesn't, like, massively speak to me. Right, which is what's going on here. But like it, maybe if it did, I would feel different. But it it it kind of doesn't. So there you.
00:20:35 Brad
Go like all I can think about in comparison with this pen.
00:20:38 Brad
And it's not even remotely.
00:20:41 Brad
Similar in style or design is like the Aurora Optima or even the 88, and those are in the, you know 5 to $700.00 range. And I just like I would choose like you know, one of the aurora's you know if I'm going to spend over $500 between say like 500 and $750, you know you just have auroras.
00:21:02 Brad
And Pelicans and even nikayas. And then you have, like, special edition platinums and sailors and pilots and.
00:21:10 Brad
Like like I said, like there's probably 10 pins I could list out.
00:21:16 Brad
And you know that I would feel more comfortable and it's a lot of. It's what you're saying and.
00:21:22 Brad
The established brand type of thing, but you know a lot of people are are.
00:21:28 Brad
You know, not maybe not as established and looking at some of the newer brands and I love that they're doing this like I love the pen, you know. But you know, you're asking like, that's a that's a big, big, big ask to get into that price point. So when you have.
00:21:45 Brad
That amount of choice in the in a price point like that you you can get anything.
00:21:49 Myke
Look, they can like you. Coco can get to that point. Sure, like brands can rise to the point where that's.
00:21:57 Myke
The thing but.
00:21:58 Myke
Just takes a bit of time, you should say. Like if there are things where you can point to which we both pointed to things in this range. And like that ain't right like but. But maybe when they fix those things, like maybe if they do a better job with a clip, maybe if they do a better job of integrating the grip section into the design of the pen like then we start to get to the point where we're like, I'll use one, it feels good. Maybe I'll do it.
00:22:18 Myke
And then it like, grows from there I guess.
00:22:21 Brad
Yep, so.
00:22:21 Myke
But it takes time.
00:22:23 Brad
Yeah. And they are one thing I noticed, which I wasn't totally clear on before I started researching the article that that they've done almost 10 releases in about a year at this price point between 7:00 and $800, which kind of astonished me. So we'll see. We'll see what's if.
00:22:38 Myke
I mean they they obviously the brand has fans, right and also the pens look good. So yeah, that is enough to sell, but it's not yet enough to.
00:22:39 Brad
There's leaves going forward.
00:22:51 Myke
To make you say like, yes, this is where I put my money. But they can get there though, right?
00:22:56 Brad
Ohh without question about question.
00:22:57 Myke
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00:24:18 Brad
Brad, so we have a lot of what we've seen before and these are some of the things that I ordered.
00:24:23 Brad
Recently and I haven't received them yet because I did do a pre-order for the cavaco iridescent apricot, which I raved about.
00:24:31 Brad
Just about a week or two ago, when we're talking about the podcast, but they have some a lot of inks in here, which you don't normally see on sale, and then a couple of new additions. The new minima is at a price that is really, really inexpensive. And if you've ever been wondering about venues, this is this was kind of the model that started.
00:24:52 Brad
Off and became really popular because it's a smaller like a torpedo shaped pen. It's, you know, #5 size nib. And it's a really, really great.
00:25:00 Brad
The price and then further down below they still have some of the Karen Dash 840 nines, which I love and I know you enjoy as well. And then they snuck in the veco AC sport which it is F1 season mic. So why not have a pen with a little carbon fiber inlay on there? It's a very racy. It's a very racy.
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Let's do it.
00:25:21 Brad
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00:25:21 Myke
Let's go.
00:25:35 Brad
Bennies. Love little lark. These are really cool. I love Bennu pens, so there's definitely some neat ones in there as well. So go check them out.
00:25:43 Myke
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00:25:57 Brad
I I'm actually still scrolling. I can't believe how long this list is this week, so good job Ron.
00:26:00 Myke
No longer.
00:26:04 Brad
Yeah, lots of good stuff in there.
00:26:08 Brad
All right, shout out of the.
00:26:09 Brad
Week, Mike.
00:26:11 Brad
Hashtag kill winter with orange our friend. Random thanks. Always takes advantage of the cold winter months and lays out everything orange that they have on their Instagram feed. And it is amazing. I mean, it's pretty much orange year round.
00:26:28 Brad
With Keith and I appreciate that about him very much. But if you go over to the Instagram right now, we are really focusing on the orange and and just getting some fun orangey vibes in this cold winter, wherever you are. So yeah, definitely go check that out, give Keith a shout out. And by the way.
00:26:33 Myke
Very good. Wow.
00:26:49 Brad
He pops up at a couple of different pin shows with a lot of 3D printed like pin holders and different desk accessories, so it's really cool. So.
00:26:58 Brad
Definitely give random things to follow and check out all the orange hotness over there.
00:27:05 Myke
It by looking at case Instagram it would seem that Keith lives in perpetual winter.
00:27:13 Brad
It's it's orange year round on on that feed, but it's uh, it's especially especially orange during February.
00:27:22 Myke
Fair enough.
00:27:23 Brad
Yeah, fair enough.
00:27:25 Brad
All right, real quick, I'm going to go through all of the new Lamy safari SME's. You know, we've talked about them a bunch.
00:27:33
OK.
00:27:35 Brad
But I was finally able to get them all in hand. So as you well know, if you're listening to this podcast, Lami Safari did two colorways this year. Pink Cliff and Violet BlackBerry, and within each of those colorways, they did the fountain pen, the roller ball.
00:27:55 Brad
In the ballpoint. So I have 6 pins here, one of each style in each of the two colors. On top of that I have bottles of ink, which is where a little bit of my confusion comes.
00:28:12 Brad
I'm going to call them paint Cliff and Violet BlackBerry for now, but apparently their official names are Cliff and BlackBerry. They don't have the the pink out of the Cliff and the Violet out of the BlackBerry is apparently the name which again Lamy is going to loan me, but I I.
00:28:32 Brad
Maybe because Pink Cliff is is there's no pink in there. I kind of wish there was a pink ink for this pen, but regardless, so I inked up. I finally just inked up the pink Cliff.
00:28:48 Brad
Fountain Pen extra fine nib. This is my favorite of the two models, the paint Cliff because I like the matte barrels right? So the pink Cliff is the one with the dark blue matte barrel and the pink finial and the pink grip section.
00:29:03 Brad
So the pink grip section on the pink Cliff barrel is also matte to match the blue. Now if you take the Violet BlackBerry Fountain pen.
00:29:15 Brad
Then that PIN also has a lighter color purple grip section with a glossy barrel. The grip is matte, which is fine, but I feel like if we're going to go full matte on the other version, I kind of would have liked to seen full glossy on this version. It's not a big deal like it's by no means a deal breaker.
00:29:37 Brad
I love the matte like Matt's my preferred texture.
00:29:40 Brad
But this is such a pretty shiny barrel for Violet BlackBerry. I would have liked to seen the shinier grip section I think which they do like their stock Lamy safaris. Like if you get a red 1A yellow 1A black 1A blue one, they're all shiny so they know they do that type of finish for the grip section. So I don't know. I would have just like to have seen some cohesion there.
00:30:00 Brad
In the setup, but it looks great regardless so.
00:30:05 Brad
The roller balls are interesting. I think I'm definitely going to review like I won't review a lot of these products, right? Because like, there's only so much I can say about a safari. I'll do like some Instagram stuff. Take some pictures. They all look cool, but if I review any pen, I'm gonna review the roller ball because I don't know that I have. I would have to go back and look and I'll tell you why.
00:30:25 Brad
I'm not choosing the ballpoint here in a second.
00:30:28 Brad
But the roller balls are interesting. They use like a a medium black roller ball refill the style on the exterior looks like the fountain pen minus the ink window in the side of the pin. And then the finials have one notch, just like a line across.
00:30:49 Brad
That's how you can tell the difference between the roller ball and the fountain pen. The fountain pens have like an X or A plus sign across the top. So it's like 2 lines intersecting where the roller balls or one line.
00:31:00 Brad
So I will probably review the rollerball just because I haven't done many roller ball roller ball reviews in the past.
00:31:09 Brad
And the reason I'm not reviewing the ballpoint is because I love the ballpoint and I've already reviewed them and they're great. Like, I think the ballpoints one of the safari ballpoints are one of lamia's underrated pens.
00:31:21 Brad
Except this time they booked them up. I don't like what they did with these limited edition ones because again, the consistency and design with each of the roller balls and the fountain pens, you have the alternate color in there, right? You have the main color.
00:31:41 Brad
Pink, Cliff, Violet. BlackBerry as your barrel color and then you have an alternate in the in the pink Cliff you have a pink grip.
00:31:50 Brad
Section and in the Violet BlackBerry you have a purple grip section for both the roller ball and fountain pen. The ballpoints are flat, just the main color, so the pink Cliff is just a blue bat barrel on its own. It looks great, but you've set me up to have some hit of pink.
00:32:11 Brad
On these barrel.
00:32:14 Brad
And the Ballpoints have neither. Neither the Violet BlackBerry or the pink Cliff have any notes of their alternate color, which I like. I'm saying like if you just put out this ballpoint as a standard line up pin like, I would be totally into it. Totally love it. But my expectations have been set to have this extra hit of color.
00:32:34 Brad
Like a 2 tone color and.
00:32:36 Brad
The the ball points are just the single barrel color with black trim and clips and and knocks and things like that, just like the other pens. So those that design element came came in pretty flat for me even though I am traditionally a Lamy ballpoint mommy safari ballpoint lover, I really, really like that.
00:32:57 Brad
So as far as the ink goes, the Cliff ink is a blue black, and it's kind of basic like I think I'm going to enjoy it as a blue black ink, but I don't know that I'm going to be reaching for it for it consistently because it's.
00:33:14 Brad
Romney Blue Black is already great, like I'll probably do a comparison of that ink with lamis blue black Lamy's blue standard blue black is probably a little bit grayer than this, so this is.
00:33:23 Brad
A little bit bluer.
00:33:25 Brad
So I've inked that in the Lami Safari pink Cliff. I really have to think about these names. It's very complicated.
00:33:33 Myke
Well, especially because you're now giving it a name that they.
00:33:36 Myke
Said it's not.
00:33:37 Brad
One last.
00:33:38 Brad
Yeah. So the ink allegedly is just called Cliff. And sure, it's it's a completely fine ink. I think BlackBerry is going to be the standout ink color I have inked that in a sailor King of.
00:33:42 Myke
Hi, Cliff.
00:33:53 Brad
To test out and it has. So the Cliff blue black ink is a very standard, straightforward ink. If you like a blue black ink with not a lot of, you know, Sheen or it's got a little bit of shading. But it is a very straightforward ink where BlackBerry.
00:34:13 Brad
Has kind of this nice dark reddish grape undertones very, you know, like a dark black Ras BlackBerry.
00:34:24 Brad
And then has kind of almost a brownish goldish Sheen. A lot of people were seeing copper in the Sheen and it's a very heavy sheener. It's like a it's like a 90 plus percent coverage Sheen on the line. It's it's kind of how I rate it, right, how much Sheen covers the line when you write your letters.
00:34:43 Brad
On there and it's pretty much fully covered, you know outside of a, A, a few little parts. So if you like a heavy sheener, then the BlackBerry is going to be for you. I think the colors is pretty neat. It's it's very dark and kind of Moody and I like it a lot.
00:34:59 Brad
The good thing so far in my quick testing is the Sheen dries quickly, right? Like I will tend to avoid heavy screeners because a lot of times they don't dry well and they can be sticky after the fact and this one is very, very good it it. It dried pretty quick. I was testing on on Sands and Tomoe River paper had no issues.
00:35:19 Brad
With it smearing after the fact, which you will see time to time from shooting so.
00:35:24 Brad
Overall, very positive about this whole lineup.
00:35:28 Brad
The Pink Cliff Fountain Pen Safari Fountain Pen is going to be my favorite and then I will review the roll roller balls, probably in the inks. So we'll we'll see from there, but very happy with this lineup. Now I I'm almost to the point of burnt out on this lineup now that I finally got them was like OK, I can breathe a little bit.
00:35:49 Brad
Because I get really amped up about this, and then we had this whole dark lilac situation mixed in between this, I felt like it took away from this line up a little bit. So yeah, I'm ready to actually get to using these pins.
00:36:05 Brad
And we'll see. See how it goes. But I already know I love the pens, and I'm glad they did these colors. I think they're beautiful and good job. So let's see what the All Star can bring to the table this year, which we should know pretty soon. They, those usually. So they usually announce the safaris in February and the All Stars usually don't linger too much further behind, almost like may at the latest.
00:36:25 Brad
So we'll get to see the the All Star creations for 2024 here probably coming soon. It's probably All Star dark lilac. If I had to guess.
00:36:37 Myke
It's the same formulation.
00:36:40 Myke
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00:39:39 Brad
All right, Mike, let me.
00:39:41 Brad
Explain a little bit about what you're going to get into and why you're to get into this. Alright, so Mike and I are about to do something fun. At least I.
00:39:46 Myke
OK. Thank you. MMM.
00:39:51 Brad
Hope it's gonna.
00:39:51 Brad
Be fun. So I didn't really lose a bet with a pen addict member, but they had a little hiccup and you know, signing up for membership.
00:40:01 Brad
And you know, there's there's all kinds of, you know, set up sign up, things that things go weird, things go wrong. Whatever. So I fixed it for them.
00:40:10 Brad
And we'll call this person Rick because that's their name. So we got everything squared away.
00:40:14 Myke
Call him Rick.
00:40:16 Brad
We got everything squared away for Rick and he says, you know, you know, thanks for getting every everything squared away. Now this is what I require in return.
00:40:26 Brad
So I fixed.
00:40:27 Brad
This problem and then he has demands of me. It's like I'm in.
00:40:32 Brad
Been on this, he says. I have bought this goes into our uni ad read as well, which I didn't realize I have bought everything except underwear and pizza to support the show I deserve. I deserve this alright, says says I.
00:40:44 Myke
I don't like the precedent this is setting, but.
00:40:47 Brad
Just just wait the next one, the next sentence starts with I demand and he he put that in quotes. He was being funny on a soon to be episode that you and Mike each read the names of four to five Orochi Zuku inks. One of you is angry Samurai, the other is Hello Kitty.
00:40:51 Myke
OK.
00:41:06 Brad
First one to laugh loses. So my reply was.
00:41:10 Brad
OK, I will.
00:41:13 Brad
Accede to your demands, minus the voices. We're not going to do voices for this because it's going to go bad enough as it is. We don't need terrible voices for this. So I said I have an idea and this is my idea.
00:41:33 Brad
To kind of pay off what I owe Rick here with the Orochi Zoo coupon, pronunciation.
00:41:39 Brad
I thought you and I would have an Orochi, Zuku, Inc draft.
00:41:43 Myke
OK.
00:41:44 Brad
So there's 24 Rocha zuku inks. One of us will go first. We'll, I don't know, we'll flip a coin or or or roll roll. A James Thompson digital dice. You know, wanted one or two to see you goes 1st, and then we'll.
00:42:00 Brad
Just alternate.
00:42:00 Myke
I have a I have a pen addict membership. OK, sit in front of.
00:42:04 Brad
So let's see here which side is head so.
00:42:06 Myke
You should take the Macon, GA side.
00:42:09 Brad
So Macon, GA is IPIC 1st and then panic member. You pick first. Alright. Yep, go.
00:42:15 Myke
All right, ready.
00:42:18 Myke
Goes to me first.
00:42:20 Brad
OK, So what we're going to do, it's not going to be a snake style draft, which would mean I would pick twice next. We're just going to completely alternate. We'll alternate draft so.
00:42:31 Brad
Let me before.
00:42:32 Brad
We start this. Did you do any prep work?
00:42:34 Brad
No. Would you be surprised to know that?
00:42:38 Myke
I did. Of course you did. I don't see it. I mean, why would I do the prep work? I have the images in front of me. I'll just pick the ones I like. I know what ones I like. I know what ones I want, but I haven't tried them all, so I'll just go with what's left, you know.
00:42:52 Brad
So I have I have a full.
00:42:54 Brad
List ranking 1/3.
00:42:56 Brad
24 so we'll see how it goes. I'm I'm not. I'll be holding to it, but yeah, alright, you're Mike's up first and the pilot Orochi Zuku fountain pen. Ink draft. What are you? What's your first?
00:42:59 Myke
Right.
00:43:01 Myke
OK.
00:43:09 Brad
Round pick.
00:43:10 Brad
Fuyu gaki. Alright, there you go.
00:43:13 Myke
The best one?
00:43:14 Brad
Best one.
00:43:17 Myke
So it's.
00:43:18 Myke
Orange, just the orange one. Yeah, the the famous at this point.
00:43:22 Brad
Yes, famous Orange, which is why I was OK with going second because I was pretty sure like after after you got you all better off. Like I think I could probably pick your next thing based on.
00:43:35 Brad
What I'm about to pick.
00:43:37 Brad
But I was pretty.
00:43:37 Myke
Simon, by the way, that's how it's in English, I think. I don't know if these are direct translations, but these are translations for.
00:43:40 Brad
Yes. Yeah. So knowing that.
00:43:46 Brad
English names, yes, knowing that I'm going to go Shin Kai first should come as no surprise to anyone, which is why.
00:43:55 Brad
I didn't mind you going first. I felt like it would. It would be there for me in the second round now.
00:44:01 Myke
Deep sea.
00:44:03 Brad
Yeah, deep sea. So it's a it's Speaking of Blue blacks. It's a much more Moody.
00:44:11 Brad
Character filled blue, black and I already see you riding your neck, picking the doc.
00:44:18 Brad
But that's fine because that's what I would have picked for you.
00:44:22 Myke
Compagni compagni deep as your blue. This was my first versus zuku ink and I came to this ink because I was looking for something that was looked good but dried fast and that was how I ended up on.
00:44:37 Brad
Compacting. It's an amazing ink. What is? So this is a question I don't know.
00:44:42 Brad
The answer to what is the most popular Russian zuku ink and is it probably con pecky? I don't know.
00:44:49 Brad
That's a good question.
00:44:49 Myke
I'm on jet pens website right now. Mm-hmm. And it has the most user reviews.
00:44:56 Brad
OK. And if you sort you they have a sort 5 popularity?
00:44:56 Myke
But they have sought by.
00:44:58 Myke
Popularity, though, is a second to Turkey Zumi, which is black, which is.
00:45:05 Brad
That's that doesn't surprise me. Yeah, I mean, you throw.
00:45:08 Brad
Ooh, any choice of black ink out right. It's Black's always going to win. So it's generally #2. So yeah, I I'd say that's that's accurate alright.
00:45:19 Brad
My second pick is not a far reach from Shin Kai and maybe long term, maybe it's something I move even higher than Shinkai. I don't.
00:45:28 Brad
Think I will.
00:45:29 Brad
But sukyo.
00:45:31 Brad
I was late to the game on that one, and that might eventually be my #1 rush Zika ink. I don't know. It's hard to beat Shinkai. For me, sukyo is what I use in my namiki Milky Way exclusively. And it's just so perfect. It just it just means a lot to me.
00:45:50 Brad
As an egg, I think it's really cool.
00:45:51 Myke
Which one is this one I'm struggling.
00:45:53 Brad
So it is it.
00:45:54 Brad
Should be Peacock, maybe as.
00:45:56 Brad
It's listed.
00:45:57 Brad
So TSU, Ki, it's kind of like a it probably.
00:46:01 Brad
Looks like a blue-green.
00:46:01 Myke
Ohh moonlit night.
00:46:03 Brad
Moonlit night. OK. There you go. So not peak. A peacock's a different 1 Peacock is kujaku, which is another popular one.
00:46:04 Myke
Since you go.
00:46:09 Myke
Suki also ash. Yeah, I know we said this already, but I'm going to say it again. Obviously part of the reason we're doing this is because we're going to butcher these names, but we're trying our best, alright? We're trying our best. Yeah.
00:46:18 Brad
There's and what's what's sad is the Russia. Russia is you doinks.
00:46:25 Brad
Are much easier.
00:46:25 Brad
Pronouncing a lot of the other ones.
00:46:27 Myke
We have to. Yeah, I I think I find this easier than junk bond, to be honest. But maybe maybe that's a fool's errand here. Like, I think that it is, but it it isn't. I'm going to go with next Suji. Yeah. Which is Azalea.
00:46:31 Brad
Mm-hmm. Ohh for sure. Sure.
00:46:34 Brad
True, true. We're setting ourselves up.
00:46:45 Myke
It's kind of like a like a real saturated pink purplely color.
00:46:52 Brad
Yeah, that's a great one. Very popular.
00:46:55 Brad
So I'm going to get my orange here because I knew you weren't going to take it, so I felt safe leaving it for 3rd. You yucky. Clearly the best orange out.
00:47:04 Myke
Absolutely not, absolutely not. All right, let's be real. It isn't. And and my ones the best one.
00:47:06 Myke
It was you would.
00:47:07 Myke
Have picked it first round but.
00:47:09 Brad
No, it's the best orange. There's two oranges. There's two oranges. It's the number. It's the number one orange.
00:47:16 Myke
Also, again, if we're ranking by popularity, it's below for you gaki yes, so.
00:47:22 Brad
That doesn't surprise me for you. Gaki is a much stronger like vibrant ink.
00:47:29 Brad
Color. What is the yucky translation? I don't have these.
00:47:32 Brad
Pulled up probably.
00:47:32 Myke
Yaki is sunset.
00:47:36
OK.
00:47:37 Brad
And fugaku is persimmons. So you get a little bit more of the Reds and fugaku and you get a little bit more of the yellows and Yaki, which is what I my preference for. Oranges is more yellow based oranges as opposed to red based oranges.
00:47:51 Myke
Fair enough.
00:47:53 Myke
I'm gonna go next with my euro, which is sky. It's a. It's a nice blue.
00:48:00 Myke
It's a good blow.
00:48:02 Brad
Very underrated.
00:48:05 Brad
Roaches, you can. I'll probably say this about a lot of them. Yeah, being underrated. You don't hear a lot about. I'm at your own. But when people use it, I always go. Oh, yeah, that looks pretty spectacular.
00:48:16 Brad
UM.
00:48:19 Brad
I I have to choose yamabiko next between it and suit Suji, which you already picked. I think those are like the two best like kind of hot pinks. So what's the the name differences here? So CG is Azalea and.
00:48:21 Myke
OK.
00:48:38 Brad
Where is.
00:48:38 Myke
It. Which one did you?
00:48:40 Brad
Want Yamamoto is Crimson glory vine, which I'm not familiar with, that in real.
00:48:44 Brad
Life so OK.
00:48:45 Myke
Yeah. Wait. Yama budo? I see. Wild grapes. I don't understand.
00:48:49 Brad
Where are you? I'm looking at. This. One's on the pin. Shall I side. So, yeah, again we. If we take no claim to our pronunciation or our translation in this.
00:48:59 Myke
Yeah, the translation's got nothing to do with us. Where are we? Yamabuki O.
00:49:05 Brad
Yama Buddha for.
00:49:06 Myke
Me. Crimson glory vine.
00:49:09 Myke
I don't know, man.
00:49:10 Brad
I don't know.
00:49:12
I kind of.
00:49:12 Brad
Ohh like that. Crimson glory vine. I mean that. That could be. I mean, grapes or like, you know, that's the that's the glory fruit, right? You make the wine seems, I guess. Sure just.
00:49:19 Myke
Is it?
00:49:21 Myke
I'm going to go with an ink that I've never seen, but the image I like the color of hold Haru, B, or Hotarubi, which is yellow green, which I think maybe I wouldn't like in person, but I like the way it looks in these images.
00:49:35 Brad
So this is one of the newer inks, so this is the the most recent ones and I think this is the only one of the newer ones that actually reviewed. It's kind of nice like I I I am into it.
00:49:49 Brad
And you know it's it's one of those things I would want to use all the time.
00:49:54 Myke
Also known as light of fireflies.
00:49:54 Brad
But I I kind of like it.
00:49:58 Myke
Which is great. That's a great name.
00:49:59 Brad
That's very accurate.
00:50:01 Brad
That is very accurate, I think, to the color of that ink. So I'm actually going to choose one that I've never used and this is an oversight on my part because it's been recommended so many times. I have to go with Yamagami, which is kind of like a brown. It's called wild chestnut.
00:50:22 Brad
I have to.
00:50:25 Brad
I need to fix using this like this will be like one of the very next things I purchase just because I like brown inks and this always comes up on the list it it's a little darker than maybe with like a toffee brown right? It seems like it's got a little bit of darkness to it. Depth to it, so we'll see. We'll see but that's.
00:50:45 Brad
That is an interesting to me.
00:50:48 Myke
My next one is one that I'm surprised maybe isn't more popular, which is honey Carter, which is cherry blossom petal. It's a very light.
00:50:57 Myke
Pink, also known as flower raft of Japanese cherry.
00:51:04 Myke
I love these names, these names.
00:51:06 Myke
Fantastic. So yeah, that's that's my next one.
00:51:10 Brad
That's also one of the new ones. So it came out at the same time as Hotaru B, and I guess this is a good time. You wonder why it's not so popular. I did a quick calculation as I was looking through my.
00:51:12 Myke
Ah, no wonder.
00:51:23 Brad
List there are five different pink shades. What I would consider pink shades in a 24 sample set of.
00:51:31 Brad
Rustico inks, 5 Pinks, 5 Blues and five greens. So that's fifteen of the inks in like basically 3 categories of inks, so you know it's.
00:51:43 Brad
There's definitely some differences between these, but I think the pinks have the least amount of range. You know that you have your very hot pinks on one end, then you have like the hana cotta, like the very the light cherry blossom on the other end. So lots of lots of paintings in.
00:51:59 Brad
In here I am doing the opposite in going with one of the more popular ones in kujaku. So this is Peacock. It's like teeley green. Very, very popular ink. It's something I would use that often because I have some alternates that I use, like if I'm looking for this color, I generally what is it sailor?
00:52:19 Brad
Yamadori I think is is similar to this, so I tend to go for with that. But Kujaku is just a classic.
00:52:29 Myke
So that is, yeah, Peacock.
00:52:32 Myke
Yeah, OK. Trying to see if we have any other other names for it cause I'm.
00:52:37 Myke
Enjoying that right now.
00:52:37 Brad
Yeah, let's see. Nope. Also Peacock. So Yep.
00:52:40 Myke
Peacocks. Alright, so we're in the second-half of the draft now. It's probably where it's going to start to get.
00:52:44 Brad
OK.
00:52:47 Myke
More complicated, I'm going to go with Shin Ryoku.
00:52:48 Brad
Or falling asleep in anyones house.
00:52:56 Myke
Which is a deep green.
00:53:00 Brad
Yeah, that's a.
00:53:02 Brad
I'd say this this the most classic.
00:53:04 Brad
Yeah, this is the this. This is the one that I.
00:53:07 Brad
Would say yeah.
00:53:07 Myke
Forest Green or deep green?
00:53:09 Brad
So that's the most classic looking green. Like there's like I said, there's five greens in here as well. Like Kujaku, I classify in like the green green category as well should be yoku. Yes, this is green.
00:53:18 Myke
This this is green. You know what I mean? Like.
00:53:20 Myke
Yellow ones.
00:53:22 Myke
They they got something else going on, but this one is like this is this is. This is green, right? Like Peacock is a little bit bluey. There's a couple like light fireflies is like a bit yellowy. This is just like.
00:53:35 Myke
This is a green screen, you.
00:53:37 Brad
Know. Yeah. So I'm going to go with another green here in the bamboo forest. Chikurin. I think this is the third new one out of the three new ones. 3 new variants.
00:53:48 Myke
OK.
00:53:50 Brad
It's a little bit.
00:53:52 Brad
Darker than the hotel will be.
00:53:55 Brad
And I don't know. I think it's a unique shade, a unique color I kind.
00:53:59 Brad
Of like it a lot.
00:54:00 Myke
I don't like it. It's a little bit ***** to me like I'm not. Yeah, I'm not into it.
00:54:03 Brad
Yeah, I would. I would choose this over obviously and given my draft, I would choose this over the Hotaru for sure.
00:54:12 Myke
Alright, my next one, I'm going for a grey seal gun, OK?
00:54:15 Brad
Which one though?
00:54:19 Myke
Old man winter.
00:54:19 Brad
I think that's the most popular. Yeah, I think that's the most popular.
00:54:22 Brad
Of the Grays, yeah.
00:54:24 Brad
There is another.
00:54:25 Myke
Choice, also known rigour of winter. I love these name differences, so we're looking at name differences between Pan Chalet and jet pens. That's where we're looking. Yeah. And I don't know, maybe one is like a literal translation, I don't know. But this is. I like rigor of winter more than old man, old man.
00:54:44 Brad
Winter old man winter. Alright, so I'm next.
00:54:49 Brad
I have to.
00:54:52 Brad
Follow the wisdom of the crowds here in the sort by popularities. Mike. I gotta go with.
00:54:56 Brad
Kasumi, I know, but no, there's nothing wrong with a good black, and this one's pretty good every now and then. Like black. Just black just hits, right? And you want a good black ink to use with your pens and talk.
00:54:58 Myke
There should have been final round.
00:55:12 Brad
Me is a good one.
00:55:15 Myke
All right, I'm going for Murasaki Shikibu Shikibu Morisaki Shikibu. This is a kind of purply ink, also known as lady is the same thing, which is a lot of fun. What else have we got? Or Japanese beauty Berry?
00:55:27 Myke
This is.
00:55:33 Brad
OK, this is the one I had the hardest time with. I could have taken this way earlier.
00:55:38 Brad
Or way later. I don't know. It's a it's a good purple, right? But it's kind of their only purple, which is is weird given.
00:55:44 Brad
The given the.
00:55:46 Myke
It depends what your class is purple. I mean I would kind of call since Zuji and yamabuki to have purplish tones.
00:55:55 Brad
Yeah, they're. They're that magenta range.
00:55:55 Myke
To me. But.
00:55:57 Myke
But this is like like how we have greens green. This is purple, purple like this is just like bang.
00:56:02 Myke
You can't miss it.
00:56:04 Brad
Yeah. So this is where it starts getting weird. I'm going to take Momiji here, which is autumn leaves, but I do find this to be more pinker than autumn leaves, even though they want to like by name, want it to be more red.
00:56:16 Brad
I have used this. This is this is more like that Apple red to me. Maybe not like a fire engine red but I I do like the sink.
00:56:25 Myke
Momiji does it have a different name?
00:56:28 Brad
Let's see. So I've got autumn leaves and I've got OK, just autumn.
00:56:31 Myke
Yeah. Autumn leaves. Autumn leaves is the name. This is very red. Depending on the image, like on pen shell.
00:56:38 Brad
That's what I think too.
00:56:38 Myke
Right. Looks it looks red like.
00:56:40 Myke
Yeah. Which I guess you would kind of expect for a leaf more like maybe?
00:56:44 Brad
Right. But like in some of the pictures, it looks pink and I don't classify that with autumn leaves. I think it is more red in person. I have. I have the bottle of this and I use it pretty regularly and it's it's definitely more. It's more like a.
00:56:56 Brad
Like a traditional apple red and you know, I don't know if it gets in that Persimmon color, but it's it's definitely more of an apple, like an apple skin, red, like a gala or whatever. Yeah. What the regular apples are called.
00:57:07 Myke
I'm going with ASA Gao. Yeah. Morning Glory, which is just another kind of like, quite deep blue, like a royally.
00:57:16 Myke
Glow kind of. Look, I think, I think that'd be.
00:57:19 Brad
Pretty good. Yeah. Again, just like the pinks and me picking. You know, a reddish pink. These the Blues? There's just a lot of them. And one of them's got to be like towards the bottom. And it doesn't mean.
00:57:32 Brad
Like that, a lot of people love the asagao, so that's a good one.
00:57:38 Brad
What am I doing here? We're getting down towards the end.
00:57:41 Brad
It's harder to pick.
00:57:42 Myke
Yeah, it's getting hard now.
00:57:43 Brad
I'm gonna take where is it?
00:57:52 Brad
I have my list but I don't see it here.
00:57:56 Brad
OK, there it is. There it is. This one's interesting. I think this this might actually be one of the newer colors and not the chicken. I think it actually might be this one Co row is pine tree do.
00:58:09 Brad
It's an interesting green. I would like to test this one.
00:58:14 Brad
UM.
00:58:16 Brad
It's I can't quite figure it out. Just like by images alone.
00:58:20 Brad
But I think this would be an interesting along with like the wild chestnut one that I was talking about before to try and test out and see what it's like. It's it's it's pretty much green, but it has these kind of maybe grayish undertones, so I don't know. I'll have to figure that one out.
00:58:39 Myke
Oh, we've only got like 4 left, right?
00:58:43 Brad
1234 Yes, it's good so far. The one I have last, neither one of us have picked yet. So I think that's pretty telling at this point.
00:58:53 Myke
I'm I'm going to go. I'm going to go back to the well here and I'm going to go with Cozmo Musu.
00:58:59 Brad
Yeah, that's actually what I had.
00:59:00 Myke
Which is.
00:59:00 Myke
Next full cherry blossom. So just more. Yes, cherry blossom.
00:59:03 Brad
A lot of pinks, there's honestly there. When I got through doing this, I was like, there's really not a lot of variation here in the in the pinks. I don't believe I.
00:59:13 Myke
Also known as Cosmos, it is very different, very different between those two.
00:59:21 Brad
So I'm going to take the other Gray here, which is Kerry same or it's probably like Keri, some, something like that.
00:59:28 Myke
Yeah, I think that might have been the first time you you really messed up there. I feel like your second attempt is probably better.
00:59:28 Brad
I've only.
00:59:31 Brad
Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. But when you look at it real quick, so this one as opposed to old Man Winter, this one is misty.
00:59:39 Myke
Rain. I've got Scotch mist.
00:59:42 Brad
Scotch mist. Nice. Nice. So light lighter than for you. So gun.
00:59:51 Brad
I2 inks.
00:59:53 Myke
Left, I don't even know what we've got left.
00:59:57 Brad
So I know one where's the other?
00:59:59 Brad
One so we.
00:59:59 Brad
Have sui.
01:00:03 Brad
Yoku, which is a green.
01:00:06 Brad
And then we have ajisai, which is the light purple.
01:00:11 Brad
Hydrangea and the other one is emerald green.
01:00:16 Myke
So was there one ajisai?
01:00:19 Brad
Yeah, I decide. Is the light purple called hydrangea and then Sui yoku is emerald green.
01:00:26 Myke
I'm gonna take ajisai.
01:00:28
OK.
01:00:31 Brad
That's the one I had last. It just seems the least interesting like these two aren't flat.
01:00:32 Myke
OK.
01:00:34 Myke
It they are just seems like.
01:00:35 Myke
Very interesting to me at all.
01:00:37 Brad
Yeah. And three yoku guy that might that one might be the hardest to say. If I'm going with that color, I'm going to pick the four screen, right, the, the Shin Ryoku right. Like I think like I'm just not going to choose this like it's so close.
01:00:50 Brad
Emerald, so yeah, and then the algicide just does nothing. It just looks like washed out blue to me. So it's probably it's a light purple, you know, maybe in person it looks great, but like, just looking at these images, like trying to draft off the off the images here, I had that one was like the least interesting to me by a pretty long shot.
01:01:12 Myke
I hope this was worth it.
01:01:15 Brad
I mean, it was for me because now I'm actually gonna go buy at least one of these things, if not two, but.
01:01:21 Brad
It was it.
01:01:21 Brad
Was fun. It was a a fun little fun little draft. I figured it wasn't. It was enough variants here to get a lot of different things and have some conversations about the inks and not too long without us being bored to death like the last couple. Yeah.
01:01:33 Brad
They were tough.
01:01:34 Brad
Because there's a lot of redundant, the more I looked at it, the more I felt, oh, there's a lot of redundancy in this lineup for.
01:01:40 Myke
Thank you.
01:01:41 Brad
For an ink SO24 ink, sounds like a lot. But when you look at other ink lineups these days, it's like, yeah, it's not that much like you should have a good spread over 24 inks and they have a.
01:01:51 Brad
Lot of overlap? Umm in their 24 inks I find and probably have a lot of.
01:01:59 Brad
You know, just inks that are just the eating up the the the usage of other inks because they're so similar, so.
01:02:07 Brad
Interesting to see. Interesting to see. So if you have a favorite Orochi, Zuku, Inc Mike and you want to participate or tell us your top three or five Orochi Zika inks, maybe you wanna go all 24. How can people tell us? How can people get in touch and let us know how terrible our pronunciations were? And also what their favorites are are.
01:02:26 Myke
You should do is you go to pen addict.
01:02:29 Myke
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01:02:36 Myke
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01:02:43 Brad
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01:02:56 Myke
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01:03:11 Brad
Goodbye, Brad.