The Pen Addict 430/transcript
| The Pen Addict Podcast Transcript | |
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| Episode: | 430 |
| Title: | Better than the G2 |
| Release Date: | September 30th, 2020 |
| Hosts: | Brad Dowdy |
| Guests: | No guests this episode |
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| Official page: | Episode 430 |
| Audio File: | Audio Episode 430 |
| Podcast page: | The Pen Addict 430 |
| Length: | 6565 min <br />1.083 h <br /> minutes |
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Introduction[edit]
Myke Hurley: From RelayFM, this is The Pen Addict, episode 430. Today's show is brought to you by the Canalea Penco and Harry's. My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Mr. Brad Dowdy. Hi, Brad Dowdy.
Brad Dowdy: Hey, Myke Hurley. How are you today?
Myke Hurley: I'm fine and dandy, my friend. I'm excited. I'm excited about our first ad today, actually.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, you are.
Myke Hurley: But we'll get to that in a little bit. I want to just give everyone a final thank you and reminder about the RelayFM fundraiser for St. Jude. Today is the last day of September, so it's the last time you hear us talking about it this year. So, the month is quickly drawing to a close. I really cannot even conceive of the fact that we have now raised $430,000 for St. Jude this year.
Brad Dowdy: Whoa, whoa. I haven't checked in, like, since Monday, and I don't think it had eclipsed four then. That's insane.
Myke Hurley: There have been some and one especially incredibly generous donations that have occurred over the last few days.
Brad Dowdy: I saw a couple hints to that.
Myke Hurley: Yeah, which has propelled us to the level that we're at now. But small or large, it doesn't matter. Any donation has helped get us to this amount of money. Right? So, that's $430,000 raised this year, which actually puts us to, we're currently over $745,000 raised in the last two years. Golly. So, I guess we're going to go for that cool million next year.
Brad Dowdy: Easy peasy to hit that million mark. That's, you should be very proud. You and Stephen should be very proud.
Myke Hurley: I'm proud of everybody, bro. This is, you know, like, you know, we set it up and we put the work in, but this is something that everybody's come together for, from our hosts to our listeners, right? This is something that we're all doing together. And it really, you know, people talk about community as a thing. And it was originally, like, a phrase that I was a little hesitant of, but I've definitely grown fond of more recently. And this is, like, a big thing for me that shows that, like, the strength of the community of listeners that we have and their generosity. It's really quite, quite overwhelming for such a fantastic cause. So, thank you to everybody that has donated. And we'll be doing it again next year. You can bet on that.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, it's fantastic. And you definitely should believe it in the power of community. And it's something that you and Stephen have built here and that allows this to happen. And it's something to be very, very proud of. And I'm proud to be a part of it.
Myke Hurley: And I'm proud of the pen addict community who have helped you meet your goal for the Noco wax canvas pen cases. Yeah. As it has happened in between our last episode and now, you're currently at $31,500 of your goal of $30,000. So, I kind of just wanted to touch on this a little bit with you. I'm very, very pleased, very proud that you've hit that. And I kind of just wanted to get, like, what is your feeling for now? And just to underscore, like, hitting that goal, like, what is it going to enable you to do?
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, I'm super happy. When I woke up Monday morning, it had just ticked over to $30,000. So, a little over a week, you know, with a weird launch schedule covering Friday nights and weekends. It was not the best scheduling of a project I've ever done.
Myke Hurley: I think it makes sense for this one, though, because, like, you know, we spoke about it, but this campaign has kind of weird reasoning and beginnings.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah.
Myke Hurley: It's like, this is not intended to ever be, like, the most particular meticulous campaign to try and, like, really blow the doors off. Like, you would have done for, say, the original one or the spoke design stuff, like, you know, with, like, the roadie and the spoke pen. The roadie you didn't do a Kickstarter for, but the spoke pen you did. And that's really, like, we want to hit this. We want to hit the community and hopefully break outside of that. Where, like, whilst it would be lovely if that happened, that's not the intention of this campaign anyway.
Brad Dowdy: I think that's 100% correct. Like, this was a personal campaign in a personal, like, reach out to our supporters, right? Like, this is not designed to hit the Kickstarter front page and, you know, go viral like some, you know, Kickstarter projects are set up to do. This is a project to continue to build out Knock. And what it's going to allow us to do now that we've hit this goal is to not just make these cases for all these cool people that backed us and get them these cool cases in their hands. It's going to let us put in orders for other inventory, which I'm going to start teasing on the campaign. I'll take some pictures of some other cases, colors we have in the works, no new designs yet. But, you know, like, this is what, like, the profits from this campaign are going to allow these other cases to be made. So I'm going to start showing that off and see if we can raise some more money to get even more cases made. So, like, that's exactly what this is for.
Brad Dowdy: You know, I'm thrilled that we've already hit the goal. And I felt that we would. You never know until you launch these things, right? It's always a nerve-wracking experience. You know, have you done the right things? Will people support you and things like that? So they have. We're in. We're making these cases. I'm excited about it. And now I'm going to keep trying to push it a little bit more over the next couple weeks. So you will see me and hear from me talking about this as we try to drive this up a little bit higher.
Myke Hurley: Yeah, because now every extra just goes to make everything better and everything easier.
Brad Dowdy: Right. This is a production campaign, not a profit campaign, right? I don't use Kickstarter to make money. You know, we use Kickstarter to make products. And we've talked about this before. So this is like 100% of the proceeds go into making 100% of the cases, right? So that's one of those things. And like the more we raise, the more I get to send over to the manufacturer. And the more we have to fill the virtual shelves. And, you know, it's a good place to be right now with it already fulfilled. So I'm very happy with that.
Myke Hurley: Good. As you should be. Yeah, I'm really, really pleased that this happened. I'm really pleased that everybody got behind it.
Brad Dowdy: I'm excited that people are excited about this case because it's a cool case. It's something a little bit different. Even though same shape and design, the materials are super cool. And I think everyone who hasn't had the chance to use one of our wax canvas products is going to be really happy with this.
Sponsorship Discussion[edit]
Myke Hurley: All right. Let's take our first break.
Brad Dowdy: Myke keeps moving this up the dock. And we're going to find out why in a minute.
Myke Hurley: We're sponsored by Canalea Pen Company today. There are two types of sponsorships that we do with Canalea Pen. One is like what you heard, I think, a couple of episodes ago where we're just reminding you about the incredible products that the Canalea Pen Company have and produce. Then there's the other type of Canalea Pen Company sponsorship that we do where we are working with them to let you know about a new release that they have. And that's what we're doing today. So I'm going to go through the ad copy that has been provided to us by Canalea that I've adapted. So I will tell you all about the product. And then me and Brad are going to talk about our experiences of the new pen, which we both had for a short time. So the Canalea Pen Company makes stunningly beautiful pens inspired by images of Hawaii. Canalea's founders, Hugh and Carol, believe that these locations can help recharge our spirit and connect us with nature. While the story behind these pens is wonderful, the execution is what sets them apart from the rest. Every single Canalea pen is handmade in a process that means that no two pens will ever look alike. And every nib is tuned before it ships to their customers. What you get is something truly unique for you. And we're excited to announce a brand new pen with the Canalea lineup. It's called Kona Snow, and it's inspired by the life cycle of the Kona coffee plant. So before we get to the red berries that inspired the Kona Cherry Pen, which was their last release, the Kona coffee plant's life cycle begins with snow white flowers that are seen for just a few days in spring. So the Canalea Kona Snow is a beautiful pen featuring white acrylic with some pearlescent swirls and rose gold accents throughout the material. There will be photos in the show notes. You can take a look. Again, we'll talk about this in a moment in more detail. The process that they've gone through here is something that I cannot get my head around as to how they've produced this pen, because it really is very, very special. Now, this is something that's important, and I was really pleased that Hugh and Carol sent this information to me. So this is a white pen, right? So, you know, white can discolor, but they've done some tests on this. Canalea pens let me know that they performed some testing of their own, including submerging the material that was made, that they made these pens out of, in Waterman Mysterious Blue ink for 24 hours, seeing no discoloration. So they just put the material in a blue ink for 24 hours, and they saw nothing.
Brad Dowdy: That's awesome. That's great to hear.
Myke Hurley: Yeah, I was really pleased. I didn't think of it until I saw it. I was like, oh, yeah, that's a good thing. Just to let people know, right? Like, this is a – I've never had a white pen before, so it's not popped into my head, but it's something to be aware of. So I'm really pleased that they've done some testing on that. Canalea pens feature Yo-Oh No. 6 nibs, and you can buy steel or 18-karat gold nibs directly from Canalea. They also offer rose gold, too, which is the perfect pairing for Kona Snow, in my opinion. The same as the little medallions that go on the top. The rose gold is like – that's what I got. Trust me. Like, this is the one for this pen. Canalea offers sizes from extra fine to 1.1 stub, and every pen ships in a beautifully packaged keepsake box. The Kona Snow is available to order right now, with the Classic Flush profile shipping within a week if your order is placed by November 1st. After November 1st, it will ship within their usual four-week window. All of the other profiles that Canalea make are available to order now, but will ship within four weeks. Canalea is also using the proceeds of the Kona Snow to give back to the communities of Big Island and the Kona area by donating a portion of the proceeds to the Hawaii Food Bank and the Halei Hanikahi Emergency Shelter. I apologize for butchering that. You can check out the Kona Snow today at canaleapenko.com. That's K-A-N-I-L-E-A-P-E-N-C-O. Canaleapenko.com. Go there today to choose your aloha. Thanks to Canalea Penco for their support of this show. This is a special one, huh?
Brad Dowdy: I'm going to put you on the spot, Myke. So as is our normal routine, we've been doing this for a long time now, to where we'll each get a product. It could be any product. It doesn't have to be Canalea. And we will generally not communicate beforehand, right, to have the conversation about our opinions on the pen. Or let's just say pen. It could be paper or whatever. So we can have a discussion around this. So I've had mine for like two, three weeks now. My Kona Snow, I've been using it, and I'm going to give my thoughts here in a minute. And I didn't even mention to Myke that my pen had arrived or anything like that. And I just don't do that. So out of the blue, last week, Myke messaged me. He goes, did you get it? And I'm like, do you mean the Canalea pen? Yeah, I got it. And I'm going to let you pick it up from there.
Myke Hurley: Oh, man, this is so good. This is so good.
Brad Dowdy: You then went to break on every unwritten rule we have about telling each other what we think about the pen. Yeah, I couldn't keep this one to myself.
Myke Hurley: Because I've really like, oh, my God, they've done it. Like, they've just straight up done it again. But this one, what I find so fantastic about the Kona Snow, well, I said a couple of things. One, when I opened it, it was completely unexpected. Like, looking at Canalea's lineup that they have currently, I would never have assumed them to give me an all-white pen. Like, it just didn't feel like it would be able to get across the type of images that they usually portray, right? Like, one, it just didn't necessarily, I would never would have imagined that they would have a kind of an imagery from Hawaii that would be all white, right? Like, that just didn't necessarily come into my mind, because it's usually lots of vistas and stuff like that. But I also just don't think it's a colorway that I would have expected from them, because I would have naturally assumed that if you're going for basically all white, you would not be able to produce something that will blow you away. But they did it, because this thing is, it's just stunning. Like, you know, it being mostly white, right, as the body of the pen, but then it creates, like, these swirls. Like, pearlescent is, like, the best way I can describe the kind of, the swirls that run through it. But again, it's like, not, it's this idea of me just not understanding, not being able to conceive of how these things are actually produced, that every swirl has an outline in rose gold. Like, I don't understand how this is possible to do. And they've created something this time. It's just, like, again, like, I can't recall seeing something like this before. Yeah. And the pearlescent nature of it means that, you know, I have this on mine. They have this in one of the images. You may see it. It's like, there is one spot on my pen where it's just, like, a small circle of this, like, pearlescent kind of, like, semi-transparent, I guess, part of the acrylic. And it looks like it has that real depth again that I've seen in some of their pens recently. I think the one for me is in my Aolani, I have a similar point where it's, like, this one spot where it just looks like it goes impossibly deep. So, yeah, it's, my gosh, they absolutely nailed this one.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. And the best part, like, you're talking about, like, the fluorescence and the colors is you don't have to see it from up close, like, mine sitting on my desk and not in my hand. And I can see all the things that you're talking about. So, I agree with you. What I told you is that this is the best release of the last few releases, even though, like, the Kona Cherry is my favorite, right? The bright red translucent one, like, that's a me pen. I think this is going to be the most popular of the past several of the Kana Leia releases. It's really pretty. It's really different. It's one of those pens, when I use it, I stop to look at, right? I have a handful of pens like that where I'm writing with them, where it's just such an enjoyable pen to use and to write with and to look at that I'll be writing, and then I'll stop and look at it and go, yeah, this is a good one. I like this pen a lot. So, the material's great. I got mine with the clip this time, Myke. I wanted to try something different. Yeah. So, I tried a little bit of different shape.
Myke Hurley: What was the shape name that you went for?
Brad Dowdy: That's a great question, because I always forget the names of it. So, let me just check it up. I want to say Classic Slim.
Myke Hurley: The Classic Slim was the one that you got. Okay.
Brad Dowdy: Yep. So, it's just a little bit bigger cap and a tapered end, and it has a clip. So, when you get the clip, it doesn't come with the medallion on the top. So, that's the trade-off. When you have the clip hardware up top, you lose the medallion. So, you kind of pick whichever style fits that style.
Myke Hurley: Is the clip, can you choose the material?
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. And it's got the, well, no, I think the clip's just in sterling silver. Yeah. The clip's just in sterling silver. Okay. So, then it's got the little Canalea logo on there. Okay. But I'm very happy with this pen. Like I said, I think this is going to be the most popular pen they've released in quite some time. I think they did a really good job with this, and it fits into the colors and designs and story that they're telling with the product, and it's a good fit for the entire lineup. So, yeah, I think it's going to crush.
Myke Hurley: Yeah, if we think of like, there's kind of like two time periods for Canalea, and like we're in the second phase, I think, which has included the Kona Snow, the Eolani, and the Kona Cherry. Because they have this real different look to them, these pens. And of these three, this is easily my favorite. This is going up against number one or two for me of all time. Oh, wow. My personal favorite is the Haleakala Silhouette. That's my personal favorite of their pens. That's the yellow, gray, and black one. Right. And this is way up there. Like I'm not going to say it yet because of the recency thing, but this is very high. Like because I truly have seen, I've not seen a pen like this before. Yeah, it's very different. It really is special. And just how well it matches with the nib and the medallion.
Brad Dowdy: Do you get rose gold?
Myke Hurley: Yeah. Well, I wasn't going to get rose gold, and I was talking to Hugh. And, you know, because the way that Hugh and Carol do it for us as genius, they don't show us anything. They don't tell us anything about the pens. They just send them to us. And Hugh said to me, you should go rose gold for this one would be my recommendation. And I was like, fine. Like, let's go for it. I also got a medium nib because I always get larger nibs from them. So I ended up going with a medium nib this time, which is just for some difference, which is nice. But yeah. Yeah.
Brad Dowdy: It's funny to me to say that this is like an outlier for all the Kenelia designs because they're all pretty much, you know, things that we haven't seen before. That's why we like them, like the materials, you know, ever since they started. But like, if you look around like your own personal collection and your own desk and the pens you use, you just don't see any one that's like this. Like even my red one that I like so much, the Kona Cherry, like I look around, like I have, you know, all orange barrel pens and all, you know, different things like that. But you don't, I don't have anything that looks like this at all, which is why I think it's going to be pretty popular for them. Yeah.
Myke Hurley: Yeah. I, it was actually, I wanted to just double check. It was Carol's recommendation for the rose gold, not Hugh.
Brad Dowdy: Well, I mean, there's, yeah, there's no doubt who would make the best recommendation for that. It's definitely not going to be Hugh.
Myke Hurley: So, yeah, this is, this is really cool. Like I'm, I'm big into this pen. I wanted to ask what ink you put in yours though.
Brad Dowdy: That is a great question, Myke. I struggled with that. I didn't ink it up for like two or three days because I couldn't figure out. So in the end, I went with an ink called a bung box Kabayashi, which is a brown. It's an eel, I forget the name of what Kabayashi is, but it's something relating to eel. And it's this great looking brown, probably my favorite brown ink. It's not too dark. It really matches the, the darkest stripe in the pen. So it's a really, really, it's, I nailed it. And I'm not, I'm not going to lie. It was the perfect match, but I did struggle with that in the beginning. Wanting to make the correct choice. It wasn't going to be like one of my standard blue blacks or pinks or oranges, even though of course all those would be fine. It was down to like a brown or a green. And I went with this Kabayashi and it's great. What about you?
Myke Hurley: So I'm using Sailor Ibisu gold. Okay. Yeah. But I want to use something else because I have this gold in two pens already. And I want a different ink for it, but I don't know what that ink is yet. Gotcha. I haven't worked it out.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. That was a challenge for me. I'm not going to lie. That was a challenge for me.
Myke Hurley: Yeah. I will work it out because I will let know, I will let Hugh and Carol know right now. I haven't told them yet. I'm buying this one. And I will send them the money for this pen. I cannot let it leave. So I have the time to work it out.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So thanks for them for working with us on not just supporting the show, but letting us launch these pens and give us an early look and let us have some, you know, some time to spend with them and get our thoughts and opinions on them. And I just, I think this one's probably going to do as well as any we've seen in a while from them.
Viral Tweet Analysis[edit]
Myke Hurley: It should. Definitely. All right. We have to talk about it. There was a tweet that went viral over the last couple of days. Million people.
Brad Dowdy: You sound disappointed already about this entire topic.
Myke Hurley: It's just like, because what it is, Rad, these viral tweets about things that I'm involved in, especially stationary, it's like, I don't really have a lot of personal time for them. Really? Um, because it's just like, you know, so this, this tweet is from somebody called Cam and it's a picture of the Pilot G2.7 says, this is the best pen ever. Let's argue. And you know, it's like, to Cam, that's the case. Like, and I endorse it. Right. It's a great pen. I use the G2. The G2 is one of the reasons that got me into this hobby as an adult. Like going all the way back, like to 2010, 2011, like the Pilot G2 was like, that was my staple. I mean, you go back in the show and you'll find me talking about it a bunch, especially the G2.7. It's a fantastic pen. And so like, but I, you know, I don't like these kind of like, and I know that it was mostly tongue in cheek, but you know, then it's people, people are like, oh, you've got to have an opinion about this. It's like, I'm sure this person loves the G2. Like, and it's a great pen and I don't, I'm not going to argue with them.
Brad Dowdy: And that's, that's the conversation we have to have. Right. Because we got tagged a lot and I had a couple of replies just in the generic thread, not like directly at Cam. And Cam, just to let it be known, you know, his, his bio is basically like comedian. Right. So like, this is his thing. Um, I, I will say that this one took off more than a lot of the other stationary ones. And I, I don't know why. Picked the right pen, Brad.
Myke Hurley: That's why.
Brad Dowdy: He picked, yeah, he picked the right pen.
Myke Hurley: The Pilot G2 is, is very popular. It's in all the stationary stores. And one of the reasons it's popular is because it is a good pen, right? Like it's a good gel ink pen. It has a satisfying knock. And the 0.7 is very nice to use because it's so smooth.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. And this is the conversation I wanted to have, right? I wanted to talk about the G2 and say like how good of a pen this is, but it's also relative. And there's also some things that to take into account when you're shopping for the G2 that, Hey, there are other options out there. But before we do that, I want to talk about the numbers on this tweet, Myke, because I, I still, when something goes like completely haywire like this, it's still hard to wrap my head around. This one tweet for the Pilot G2 had 45,000 retweets, 20,000 quote tweets and 394,000 likes. Can you even imagine that? Do those numbers, like they don't even mean anything. They're so gigantic. I don't, I don't even get it.
Myke Hurley: So, I mean, I also, I feel sorry for this person really, because I mean, I know that this is, this is probably what they're trying to do. As you mentioned, right? Like based on the way that their Twitter account is, but like that will just take over your life. Like that's your life now for a few days. It's just that tweet, you know?
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So let me dig into it. I wrote a couple of pages worth of notes. I put a bunch of stuff in the show doc and I just want to go on record because this is a super hard thing to discuss. The Pilot G2 is a very good pen. Like I cannot state that enough. The, I don't even want to say issue I have, but I don't know a better way to put it is that there are better choices for a similar type of pen that's easily accessible from the store shelf that are better than the G2. There's actually several choices. So the G2 is so popular. It's definitely the number one selling gel pen in the world. Like I remember years and years ago when Pilot was like doing their press release of like one of the, you know, one of the metrics of some, I don't know, some survey that was taken and it came out that was like the most popular or the most sold or whatever the metrics were. And we dug into it a little bit and it seemed to be like a really legit thing. You know, you always take, you know, self press releases with a grain of salt. Like how did this come about? But in Pilot's case, it's legit. And I think everyone would believe that this is the number one selling gel pen in the world. Yeah. So that's, that's step number one is it's accessible, right? People can get this pen at the corner store or they can find it on a desk that somebody's left behind. And the thing about the G2 is that it's, it's better than almost any other pen you will pick up, right? If you grab a G2 from the store, it's going to be better than most of like the ballpoints and the roller balls and the gel pens you just have laying around the house or find in some desk drawer or something like that. And you're going to go, oh, this is good. This is different. Now I feel special because I have a really nice pen and it's true. Like the Pilot G2 is really good. I love the Pilot G2.38 when I found it, the 0.38 millimeter. It's awesome. And it's just a really good black ink. The people like the durability of the barrel, right? It feels substantial. It doesn't feel, even though it's like a $2 pen, there's pens that are more expensive that feel less significant. You know, they feel less weighty or less well put together or more rattly. This feels like a sturdy, durable pen. And it's got pitch black gel ink. And it generally writes pretty well. I think we're writing performance is where it falls down compared to some of the competition. So I've tested, you know, all these pens a bunch over the years. The ones that you just go down to the store, like at Staples, Office Max, even your grocery stores and grab. And I have three specific gel ink pens that Pilot G2 users should try. Because in my opinion, they're better. And in no way, shape, or form does that mean the Pilot G2 is a bad pen, right? These are the things, like, that we get to nitpick that, you know, I can say that the Pilot G2 is a great gel ink pen. And other pens are better than the Pilot G2. Both of those things can be true, right? So that's what I'm trying to get across today. So I have no hate at all for the G2. I just think there's better choices. Number one is the Uniball 307. All the pens that I'm putting up against the G2, you will find right next to it on the same rack, in the same store, on the same shelf. Like, they're right next to it. And for some reason, the Pilot G2 keeps getting chosen over something like the Uniball 307, which I think is a far superior riding experience. It is more consistent. It's more comfortable to use. The only kind of, if you're going, like, a one-on-one comparison with the G2 and the 307, the 307 has a little bit weaker clip than the G2. Like, that's the only knock I could get put on the 307 in relation to the G2. Everything else about the 307 is better. It's got a better grip. It's got a better refill. It's got a better style, to me. You know, the G2 hasn't changed in probably – it's definitely been over a decade. It's probably close to two. It's probably been over 15 years that the G2 hasn't changed. And, like, one of the things about the G2 is it's instantly recognizable, right, for its shape, its grip, its clip. But to me, it's instantly recognizable for that earwax plug they have in the refill, which I just can't get over, that that is actually a real thing that they put out there into the world every year. It's mind-boggling to me.
Myke Hurley: Wait, what?
Brad Dowdy: When you look at the G2, what do you see, like, in the middle of the refill?
Myke Hurley: Oh, the little piece – the little brown thing? Yeah, the earwax. Yeah. Why – it's not – what is it, though? It's just like a – Because you can't say an earwax. Because if you just say that, right, and, like, people are going to start thinking they put earwax in the pen.
Brad Dowdy: It's just something they use to seal the back of the ink. I always find that weird.
Myke Hurley: Like, I don't know why it needs to be brown.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Other companies just use, like, a cloudy white, right? If you open up a G – like, a 307 refill, it's just, like, a white cloudy thing instead of this brown thing. I thought I was being kind, but apparently I wasn't. So, yeah. It's a gradient sunset wax plug, Myke. Is that better?
Myke Hurley: I mean, you can just say brown, Brad. And that will totally do the job.
Brad Dowdy: I – like, that's a whole issue with me is that aesthetic of the G2 is I will never understand. Like, I understand people like the pen. But that's a whole other conversation that I've never fathomed why that's a choice. But anyway. So, the 307 is going to be better than the G2 every time as far as writing experience, writing consistency, longevity, things like that. But the Pentel Energel is far superior to the G2 in writing experience. It's probably the best gel ink pen on the market from just pure refill perspective. Like, if people who like the G2 and like the 0.7 G2, if they tried the 0.7 Energel, they would never use the G2 again, in my opinion. Right. It's that superior of a pen. Now, I prefer the 307, but I understand that the Energel is even better from a writing perspective. The knock on the Energel is the barrel is a little wide, right? It's a wider diameter barrel than something like the 307 and the G2. So, that's from my writing perspective. I like a narrower barrel. But for the general population who says the G2 is the best pen, I think if you chose a Pentel Energel, you would never choose the G2 again on purpose. It's that quality of a writing experience. I think it's probably the best pen on the shelf, even though it's not my preferred one or even the one I recommend the most. Because people do find the barrel to be a little bit wide, and that's understandable. The surprise on this list, and I have to thank my wife for this. She picked up some Paper Mate Ink Joys a couple of years ago when they did a redesign because they had them in some really cool colors. That is an outstanding gel ink pen. And I would choose that over the G2 every time as well. And I think other people should give the Paper Mate Ink Joy a try.
Myke Hurley: And the colors really, you know, that's a good part of it for sure. Like having lots of color options, that's a great thing for people. People like that.
Brad Dowdy: Absolutely. So, the G2 comes in colors. They're not always that great of a colors. I don't like the G2 gel ink colors. The Uniball 307 doesn't come in a lot of colors. The previous version, the 207, did. But the 307 hasn't been as active in putting colors out there. The Energel and the Ink Joy have the best colors by far because they're not just doing your basic black, blue, red, green, purple, orange. You can get the Energel in blue, black, and brown. You can get the Ink Joy in teal and pink and these interesting mixture of colors. Like these mid-range colors that aren't, you know, straight red or straight purple. They're these different shades and uniqueness. Like there's some slate colors, you know, some slate blues in there that they experiment with. The Paper Mate Ink Joy has an awesome barrel. It's almost like a full grip style barrel to where it's kind of like a rubber coating on the pen. It's just fantastic. Every single one of these pens is better than the Pilot G2. And I have to reiterate it. I'm going to say it a thousand times. The Pilot G2 is a great pen. It's a great gel ink pen. Every single one of these pens is better than the G2 is my argument. And that's an opinion, right? Like this is what I do. This is my opinion on these things. I've tested them all out. The G2 is just far too inconsistent of a rider compared to the 307, the Energel, and the Ink Joy. And I think if people, when people give these other pens a shot, they go, oh, I see. Like the G2 is pretty good. But look at this. This Energel is something else. Like I can tell why it's better than the G2 because it is. So that's just the gel category. And really, that's probably the only fair thing to compare against the G2 is other similar gel pens that would sit right next to it on the shelf. You know, it's like, you know, Coke and Pepsi sitting right next to each other. You want to compare it to like the most direct thing. But since I got started on this path, Myke, I thought we'd continue to talk about other pens you can just grab on the store shelf that are a good option from the G2. I can't necessarily compare them directly to the G2 one-to-one because you're going to get a different experience because of the inks in them. And that brings up the Rollerball first, which is a liquid ink pen. And there's really kind of only one go-to. No one's been able to beat this pen for many decades. I think it's far and away the oldest pen on this list. And it's the Pilot Precise. Most people will know the Pilot Precise from the V5 and V7 needle tips that they used in high school and college. This pen has been around at least since the 70s, I believe, in various iterations. But all the same needlepoint rollerball ink style. And they have the little porthole barrel. And you know a Precise when you see them. And then they've morphed it into like they have the Precise RT. They have a Click Precise. You know, they have a couple of different models. But just that general pen from Pilot is a great pen you can just grab off the store shelf.
Myke Hurley: V5 or V7 in a lot of places. Like just as that, I think. Yes. I think it has another name as well. But I think as V5, you would be familiar with it. I don't think it's called the Precise in the UK, for example. Right.
Brad Dowdy: So there are regional names, which is something we've discussed in the past.
Myke Hurley: But when you see a picture of this one, you've seen it in stationary stores. And it's immediately noticeable. Like there isn't another pen that I even know of like this in mass sale.
Pen Comparison[edit]
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. On this list that I'm going to go through, there's two pens that are immediately noticeable when you see them. It's the G2 and it's the Precise V5 or V7. But V5 and V7, the only difference is tip size. That's why I say them both. Because the V5 is 0.5, V7 is 0.7. So they're both the same pen. So it's an awesome pen. It's rollerball. So it's not going to work great on some papers. But like a pen like this, I find it to be the best Moleskine journaling paper. You know, because Moleskine paper is historically not a great paper for some inks. And I've always found the Precise and that liquid ink to work surprisingly well on the Moleskine paper. The one rollerball I didn't link in this that I will get a lot of feedback on because a lot of people love it. But I despise it is the Uniball Vision. And this is a regional naming one, Myke. In the UK, it's the Uniball Eye. E-Y-E, like eyeball. You know, vision, eye, whatever.
Myke Hurley: I don't like calling a rollerball an eye.
Brad Dowdy: It's the Uniball Eye.
Myke Hurley: Oh, I know this pen.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a classic. The Vision Elite is a good pen. The Uniball Vision is not a good pen. It is very, very wet, bleedy. It's like a huge, huge just ink sink going onto your page.
Myke Hurley: You left out the best rollerball ever, though.
Brad Dowdy: Which is?
Myke Hurley: The Retro 51 Tornado.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, but like that's not the categories. We're not shopping on the Retro 51 aisle today. And I'd argue that it's the refill.
Myke Hurley: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about mainly.
Brad Dowdy: It's the Schmidt PA 126, 127. Yeah. Yeah. No, there's no doubt. But like that's not the category of the people who are replying to the. I know what we're doing today. Yeah. This is the best pen ever. Let's argue that one's not going to rank. Right? In the context of this tweet. Yeah.
Myke Hurley: You know, Brad, I think I would really struggle. I would really struggle to answer this question definitively. Like if somebody asked me. Mm-hmm. Like this thing. I don't really feel like I have a good answer for this person. Like this list that you put together is fantastic. And there's a bunch of stuff in there that I think is better. Like even the Sharpie pen I think is a better pen than the G2. Right. But I do really like the G2. But I think I would really struggle to answer this better for the mass audience. Because I'm not as familiar with some of the ones that you've mentioned, right? That you think are better. Like the G2 is something that I really know.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. That's why I at least wanted to put a couple shout outs for these gel pens that are an option. Like the Energel. The 307.
Myke Hurley: I love the 307 though. I do love the 307.
Brad Dowdy: Like if you want a basic black gel ink pen in 0.5 or 0.7 millimeters. I'd pick the 307 over the G2 every time. If you want a 0.7 millimeter gel ink pen and it comes in a lot of good color options. I'd pick the Penantel Energel every time over the G2. So yeah. Like that's the point I'm trying to get across. Not that the G2 is bad or it shouldn't be the best pen ever. It shouldn't be someone's favorite. I'm just saying I think these other two or three pens are actually better than the G2. And the G2 at already a high level. Right.
Brad Dowdy: So that's why. That's why it's honestly it's a pretty short list because nothing else. Like the G2 is such a good baseline of a pen for being a good pen. There's only a few pens that I would think that are better. But I think these pens are demonstratively better. Like I think in a side-by-side test these would people would go oh okay. Yeah. Let me let me think about this a little bit more. So let me hit a few other ones that we find on the shelf. Yeah.
Myke Hurley: I mean there's one there's one big one we haven't spoken about yet which is of particular importance to you.
Brad Dowdy: Uh is it the last one on the list or the next one on the list? Yeah. The last one. We're going to talk about that. I have a very specific conversation about the last one. But the next one on the list you have to mention and it's the Uniball Jetstream. Now I'm a huge I'm as big a Jetstream fan as anybody. I recommend it across the board for so many situations. If I had only one pen to choose I would always choose one of the gel ink pens ahead of the Jetstream. Right. But the Jetstream is the answer to a lot of questions. It solves a lot of problems for people being a ballpoint pen. It's high quality non-skip smooth. It has a refill that you can write forever with. You're not going to have to refill it or replace it as often as a gel ink pen. But there's also limitations right in color in richness of the color and you know various various things like that. So I am as you know I will go to bat to the Jetstream as much as anyone in the world. But I do understand that I think most people would prefer a gel ink pen over the Jetstream. It's just that the Jetstream ticks so many boxes that are very very particular. You know I find like students want to know I want a really good quality pen that can write forever and I will enjoy using. Well it's I'm generally going to pick the Jetstream for that right.
Myke Hurley: I don't like the Jetstream.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah no I agree. Like I understand why people do not like the Jetstream. I think that's a totally fair stance.
Myke Hurley: It's just not my thing.
Brad Dowdy: It's just not it's just not my thing. It's uninteresting honestly. Yeah. But what it does it does extraordinarily well. So there's things there are use cases for it that I will that I will absolutely make and I'll always stand up for the Jetstream. This next batch of pens you kind of alluded to the Sharpie pen. These are all on the same store shelf area. You know you're shopping around and you see these other pens. These are really good pens that are just different than gel ink pens or different from the rollerball pens. And that's the Paper Mate Flare and the Sharpie pen. I kind of lump those together. They're both a marker style pen. The Sharpie pen is a more traditional tipped plastic pen. Plastic tip pen I should say.
Myke Hurley: They have three now. They have the art pen, the brush pen, and the grip pen. The grip pen is the one that we're mostly focusing on. Correct. When talking about this. When we always talk about the Sharpie pen because it was the only one. The grip pen used to be the only one.
Brad Dowdy: Which is now, no, it used to only be the art pen, which was the original Sharpie pen. And then they introduced the grip pen. And then they changed the name of the Sharpie pen to the art pen.
Sharpie Variants[edit]
Brad Dowdy: Got it?
Myke Hurley: Yeah. Definitely. Make complete sense? Yeah.
Brad Dowdy: So the original Sharpie pen is now called the Sharpie art pen.
Myke Hurley: Okay.
Brad Dowdy: But the grip pen is the best of the three for if you're writing, doing things like that. It's that really good drawing style pen. You know, art marker, fine tipped, plastic tip. But like it and the Paper Mate Flare, which is more of a felt tip, you run into tip breakdown, right? They're just never going to be as durable as a metal tipped pen like everything else we've spoken about. Even the Pilot Precise needle tip, you know, which is more fragile than the conical tips of the G2 and the 307 and all those other pens. The Flare and the Sharpie pen, there are, you're essentially, you know, destroying the pen every time you use it. So it's not going to last as long as some of your other pens. So you just have to be aware of that. But the writing experience, if you like those style of pens, is going to be exceptional. So next on the list is the Pilot Acroball. That is Pilot's version of the Uniball Jetstream. I have always found it to be exceptional quality, but I have always found it to not be findable, right? They do not push that one as much. It comes in and out of the lineup. You'll see it on the shelf for six months. Then you won't see it for a year and then it'll come back. And I don't know, I think they can't decide what they're going to do with that, even though it's a pretty decent competitor to the Jetstream. I think the Jetstream just has that market on lock and Pilot hasn't been able to break through. They're going to stick with the G2, I think, is their main store shelf pen. But I do appreciate the Acroball for what it is and for trying to go up against the Jetstream. I just, I think maybe that ship has sailed.
Myke Hurley: I don't like the design of the Acroball. I think the Jetstream is a better looking pen, personally.
Brad Dowdy: I don't dislike the Acroball. I actually prefer the Acroball's grip. It kind of has a crosshatch pattern on it, which works very well in practice. It's the right tactile-ness, if you will. It feels really good. I like it. But overall, it is a more generic style. Like the Pilot Acroball Pilot wants to sell these in dozen boxes to the office supply cabinet. Right. That's what that pen is made for.
Brad Dowdy: Next on the list is a bit random. And you will find this at office supply stores. It's the Pilot G-Texi, which is the high-tech-C model for the United States market. And I think the UK market, they also call the standard ones the G-Texi. Don't ask me why. I have no idea. That's a great pen for a very particular use case. It's needlepoint. It's 0.4 millimeters. It's very finicky. I adore it, but I never recommend it because people really need to know what they're getting into with that. And they don't sell it very often.
Brad Dowdy: They don't push it very hard on the store shelf. Like you'll see rows and rows of G2s and rows and rows of Jetstreams and EnerGels. And you'll see like one little row of the Pilot G-Texis, you know, at the bottom of the shelf, not really in primetime location. So, you know, try them. I really, really enjoy them. But there are people who just flat out hate them. And I understand that because they're very finicky is the word I use for them very frequently. Last one on this list, Myke. This happened a few years ago to where the Uniball Signo DX was only available in Japan and stores that import from Japan. And then a couple of years ago, out of the blue, I don't know if it's an 8-pack or a 10-pack, started showing up at like Staples and Office Max of a rainbow of colors, 0.38 millimeters, the legit, for real, Signo DX. And I don't rank this up there with the 307s and EnerGel and PaperMates, even though it is singularly the best gel ink refill on the market, just because of accessibility. If you can find it on the store shelf or if you see it on the store shelf, you have to commit to like a big huge pack, like a $25 or $30 pack of these pens. And that's just a hard sell to someone who wants to try a new gel ink pen, right? The people who are buying that probably know what the DX is already. Say, oh, these are fantastic and I can get them here. Yes, please sign me up. That's a good price. But if you're trying to sell that against the G2 or the EnerGel or the InkJoy, where you can buy a two or three pack of black pens or two black and one blue pens, I don't know how the DX is going to get a foothold selling pens like that in the U.S. So it's been a weird decision the whole time for me with that pen in the U.S. market. I'm glad it's here and I'm glad people are getting to try, but I just don't think it has kind of the... There's not a way to get there to really raise the profile of that pen in the U.S. at least, right? Because I can buy a three pack of the Uniball 307s for seven or eight bucks or spend 25 bucks on these DXs and I don't know what they are. They're also capped, which is one thing you'll find in a lot of these pens, Myke, that we've discussed. A lot of them are retractable. Big retractable market on the store shelf and the DX is a capped pen. So people really, really like their retractables. I'm good with caps or retractable pens, but that's one thing you'll notice on this list is probably, you know, nine out of every ten pens on this list is a retractable pen.
Brad Dowdy: So that's kind of it. That's my store shelf recap. And that tweet about the G2 reminded me that it was a good time to refresh this conversation because I wanted to give the G2 a shout out. I don't hate on the G2. There's a lot of pens that are better. And I wanted to give them a special shout out because if you're a G2 fan, you should really try some of these other ones.
Myke Hurley: But the G2 is good. It's not one of those situations where it's a bad pen and we give it better options. It's like, it's a good pen, but there are other options. Some of them could be better for you. But even if you're not sure, there are at least things to try that will give you different experiences. Yep. Especially when it comes to colors, I think.
Brad Dowdy: Yes. I think Pilot's color gel inks are actually the worst of the color gel ink pens. Like the G2 black is great. But once you start to get into like the purples and even just the basic blues and reds, I think every other gel ink pen makes better color gels than Pilot does.
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Brad Dowdy: I had an interesting topic come up on stream yesterday. By the way, I stream at twitch.tv slash penaddict. Tuesdays and Thursdays. 10 a.m. 10 a.m. Eastern. We had a great crowd yesterday. Really, you know, I think we had a lot of new viewers yesterday, which I always love seeing. People are like, oh, wow, you're talking about pens? And they're like, yeah. And they're like, I like pens. Can I hang out? And we're like, yeah, come on, hang out. So anyway, we just talk about like most of the time I have nothing planned to talk about unless I'm doing an unboxing. So we just kind of see where it goes. And we got on this thing about journaling where I was writing. I've written, I'm doing a whole thing on writing, handwriting and journaling right now that I'm working on for myself. And I mentioned it during the stream. I don't know how it came up, but it was basically I showed my journal and I only write on the right hand side of the page, basically one side of the page, right? As opposed to like front and back of the page. And I always knew that people, you know, a lot of people write on both sides of the page, right? That's a totally legit thing to do. What I didn't know, and I'm still shocked, is it how many people actually do use both sides of the page in as far as a ratio to people who just use one side of the page. So I know you're not particularly a journaler, but I do have a question for you before I really dig into this. You use a specific...
Myke Hurley: I journal every day. Well, you theme system every day. So this is a...
Brad Dowdy: It's a journal. And that you use both sides of the page because it's pre-printed. It's planned to use that. Yes. My planner, I use both sides of the page of my planner because it's set up and designed to use that. Right. We're talking about unstructured notebooks.
Journaling Practices[edit]
Myke Hurley: If I had a notebook and was writing in the notebook, what would I do kind of thing? Yes. Mm-hmm. It's both. So I will... If I start writing but don't have two pages worth of writing, I will only write on the right-hand page and then start a new page for a new day or whatever on the next right-hand page. Right? This is the same with any notebook. But if I have something that's going to continue over more than one page, I will write on the left-hand page on the other side.
Brad Dowdy: Does that make sense? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So to me, you're a both sides of the page user. You just would. I would never... My continuation would start again on the next right-hand side page. My continuation would never be to the back of the page I was just on. So to me, we differ. I think you... A lot of people answered, it depends. Some people, if Tomoe River Paper, it ghosts a lot and you could see through it so you can't see your writing. It's like, I get that. But to me, you're looking to... Your preference would be to write on both sides of the page, the way people answered. So I did a poll just in the chat and it was like three to one, four to one, people using both sides of the page versus one side of the page. I was like, man, am I... I thought my guess would have been like 50-50, maybe a 60-40, one way or the other. I didn't even know which way. But the one side of the page vote was such a small percentage, I took it to Twitter. I was like, I'm going to put this on Twitter where I get a lot more reaction to a real poll. And you can... Twitter's poll feature is actually pretty nice. You can set it up, set it for a timer. So I asked the question, I said, when writing in a notebook, do you use... And you had two choices, one side of the page or both sides of the page. And I ran it for five hours. We got 221 votes. Myke, 20% of people use one side of the page. 80% use both sides of the page. That's 221 votes. 80% use both sides of the page. I'm blown away. I don't know what to say about this.
Myke Hurley: See, I think this is one of those things where you've been... I think personally, you've been bitten by the wording of the poll. And I bet that there are a lot of people that do what I do. Which is, I only use the left-hand side of the page when I have something to put there. But by and large, if I haven't filled the page, I will start on the next right-hand side. I bet that there's quite a lot of people that said both sides of the page also do what I do. Which I know what you're saying, but it's not complete, right? Where it's like, if I wrote on a right-hand page, the next day, I'm not going to pick it up on the left-hand side. On like overleaf, right?
Brad Dowdy: Right. But you consider it when you're writing at the time. And I don't consider it.
Myke Hurley: Yeah, I think there's three groups of people. I think there's you, there's me, and then there's people that will just write on whatever page is open.
Brad Dowdy: So let me... So I'm understanding what you're saying. But to me, that's only two choices. You choose to write on both sides of the page. Like that's an option for you, where to me it's not. So the real question is why, right? Why do I write on one side of the page? Or why do people who write on both sides of the page choose to do that? And again, I was caught off guard by the answer. And the answer is waste. People feel like they've paid for 100% of a notebook. And by only using one side of the page, they're only using 50% of the notebook. Therefore, not getting the full value of what they paid for the notebook. And that shocked me. I don't know why this shocked me, but it did. And now I'm like, I'm like rethinking my life choices at this point. Like, what have I done? People really adamantly use all of the paper to where I am like taken aback at the amount of... And I'm more taken aback that I didn't consider this more than I have, right? Like, I get using the back of the page, but the theory that I use the back of the page because I've paid for all of this paper and I want to ensure that I extract the most value was never a consideration of mine. My idea for using the back of the page was, well, I write a lot and I'm going to use the back of the page and, you know, it's going to, you know, I'll be able to write more in this notebook before I have to switch notebooks. I guess that's a value choice in the end, but like the thought process of it never really never really hit me. So what do you think? Do you think if you were only using one side, do you feel like you're not getting the most value for your money? Do you feel like you left in your case, you know, 35 or 40% of the paper unused in your notebook when you completed a notebook? Are you happy with that? Because some people aren't happy unless they've used 100%.
Myke Hurley: I think I'm fine with it. Most people.
Myke Hurley: I think I'm fine with it. Mm-hmm.
Brad Dowdy: But like I said, like the ratio was what got me the most. If it was closer to 50-50, my eyes wouldn't have popped out of my head like they're doing now. But I'm like, wow, I really have seen this wrong for the entirety of my existence. Or not seen it wrong. Hadn't considered. Hadn't considered the reasoning. Number one, the amount of people that write on both sides of the page. And number two, the reason why. And I think it's awesome. I think it's fascinating. I love doing this. So I thought that was pretty cool. Like I rarely get surprised with stationary these days. Because that surprised me.
Brad Dowdy: People loving the G2 don't surprise me. Irrational love for the G2 does not surprise me.
Myke Hurley: It doesn't surprise you that people don't use... I don't know why that says...
Brad Dowdy: No, the rate... It doesn't surprise me that people use both sides. It's the ratio. It's the majority of people use both sides.
Myke Hurley: And it's a big majority too.
Brad Dowdy: It's a big number. It's not even close.
Myke Hurley: But what if there was a third option, which was my option? Would you be so surprised then if that was high? No, because... Like I'll use the other side if I need to. But otherwise I'll skip.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, but like if I write something on the right side. And I'm kind of done. Okay. But let's say I need to add a note to what I wrote. I would do it on the left side. I'm not anti. But I don't think that's the same category as what you're saying.
Myke Hurley: No, but what I think... So this is the thing. Like I think... You are being surprised about a thing. But I'm not sure... I'm not sure that the answer is as simple as it presents itself. Which is that 80% of people always write on every left page. And I don't think that that's the correct number.
Brad Dowdy: I don't know. I kind of think it is. Even though a lot of people did say both.
Myke Hurley: Well, you know why, Brad? Because I voted and I voted both sides of the page. Yeah, you have to. Because that was the only option available to me. But I don't always write on both sides of the page. Right?
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. In a notebook. But I think you voted correctly.
Myke Hurley: Yeah. What is the only option? I had to vote.
Brad Dowdy: No, but I think you're a both sides of the page writer. Even though you don't always use it. Like, again, that's an option. Like, I don't see it as an option.
Myke Hurley: Okay.
Brad Dowdy: When I write. All right. You know, my continuation goes to the right hands, to the next right side of the page.
Brad Dowdy: Which makes me a one side of the page writer. Okay. Which is vastly in the majority in this polling. So, that's what's throwing me off here. I'm... Yeah. That's what's throwing me off here. I love this conversation so much. I got a lot of great feedback in there. And almost all of the feedback were people in the both camp. Right? But a lot of it, most of it was visuals, though. Most of the both camp was, well, sometimes there's paper that I just can't see my writing as well. Not that I sometimes... Not what you're saying, where my continuation goes there. Or, you know, like I'll say, like if I was in a meeting and I had to... Couldn't... I wanted to have all this content on one page. Sure, I'd use the left for something. But to me, it's never just a continuous option that apparently most people think it is. So, I am wrong in that. Myke was right. Brad was wrong. Or not. Brad was...
Brad Dowdy: Eye-opened. I guess. It was like, wow. Okay. So, now maybe I need to think about if I'm going to start using the other side. And I don't think I can. Like, after all these years, I don't know that that's a switch I could make. Could you make that switch to where you fully use the backside of the page constantly?
Myke Hurley: No, I wouldn't want to.
Brad Dowdy: This is where your both comes in, right? This is where it depends comes in, right?
Myke Hurley: Yeah, I wouldn't want to. Yeah.
Brad Dowdy: So, anyway. Something to think about. It was an eye-opening Twitter poll. And I appreciate all the feedback. Like, I love it. And definitely keep sending me your comments on it. I'm very pleased with how this turned out that I got to learn something new today, Myke. That both sides of the page writers are the vast majority. And I love them for that.
Myke Hurley: If you want to find links and information and stuff about this episode, you can go to relay.fm.penaddict.com. You can find Brad online at thepenaddict.com and knock.co. Don't forget to go on back. The Knock Kickstarter, which is going on right now. Brad is at Dowdyism on Twitter. Penaddict on Instagram. And we mentioned it already, but every Tuesday and Thursday, 10 a.m. Eastern Time, Brad streams over at twitch.tv slash penaddict. I am at iMike. I-M-Y-K-E. And thanks to Canalea Penco and Harry's for the support of this episode. And to you for listening. We'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye, Brad. Goodbye, Brad. Goodbye, Brad. Goodbye, Brad. Goodbye, Brad. Goodbye, Brad. Goodbye, Brad. Goodbye, Brad.