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Episode:	393
Title:	Pen Transportation Safety
Release Date:	January 15th, 2020
Hosts:	Brad Dowdy Myke Hurley
Guests:	Adina Hurley
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Official page:	Episode 393
Audio File:	Audio Episode 393
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Length:	6060 min <br />1 h <br /> minutes
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Myke Hurley: From RelayFM, this is The Pen Addict, episode 393. Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace and Pen Chalet. My name is Myke Hurley, I'm joined by Brad Dowdy.

Brad Dowdy: Hello Myke Hurley, how are you today?

Myke Hurley: Very fine and dandy, my friend. Fine and dandy, Brad Dowdy.

Brad Dowdy: Why's that?

Myke Hurley: Nah, no reason, really.

Brad Dowdy: Okay, cool. Standard, everyday, old Pen Addict episode, right?

Myke Hurley: Yep. Used to it by now. Hopefully no one's going to come in here and mess it all up.

Adina Hurley: What about me?

Myke Hurley: My name is back, everyone. Welcome back to the show, guest star, favourite host, Adina Hurley. You are the favourite of the Hurleys when it comes to Pen Addict listeners. We have established that.

Adina Hurley: Just because they've heard you for too long.

Myke Hurley: I feel like it's actually bad for my ego to bring Adina onto the show. Well, because everyone's like, they write in, which is very nice, but they're like, the episode's so good, I love it, you should have Adina on more. It's like, it's always got that funny thing when you have a guest, like when you leave for a week and as a guest fills in for you. Like, what a great episode, you should do more of these. It's like, oh, do you just mean less of me? But anyway. No, I'm sure they love it.

Brad Dowdy: There's like an underlying statement of, you know, it's not as good when it's just you. You know, it depends on how you take it, right?

Myke Hurley: Everybody loves you too, though, Brad.

Brad Dowdy: Debatable.

Myke Hurley: All right. So we have, today we brought Adina back. We want to get a big update. I'm familiar with a lot of the things that are happening. There's a lot that's been going on over in this household, Brad Dowdy, that you're going to be interested to hear about. But I thought it might be fun to start off today's episode with, we like to do these every now and again. And it's probably good to do it with a guest. What are we using today? Like, as I'm sure that is typical for all of us, we all have pens and paper in front of us right now as we record. So, Adina, what do you, what have you brought to the table today?

Sailor Pro Gear

Adina Hurley: Well, after a very long journey of talking about this, the pen I've been using most lately has actually been my Sailor Pro gear. Oh my word. It's been a very long journey.

Myke Hurley: So this is the Sailor Pro gear. Is it a slim or a standard? It's a standard rose gold, right?

Adina Hurley: I think so. I think so.

Myke Hurley: Okay. And this was the one that you had worked on at the pen show, right? At San Francisco?

Adina Hurley: Yeah. Yeah. I bought it online just because I really loved the look of it, but I had never tried Sailor before. And when it arrived, it was a bit scratchy.

Brad Dowdy: Because it was secondhand. Yeah. Yeah. This was the problem child pen that we talked about before.

Adina Hurley: Yeah.

Brad Dowdy: The problem child.

Adina Hurley: So it kind of put me off Sailor altogether. But the show I had someone look at it.

Myke Hurley: Dan of the Nib Smith.

Adina Hurley: Yes. Thank you. Don't worry. Bad memory. Bad memory. The names are difficult. We got you.

Myke Hurley: Everybody's got their own name. And it's a hard time. Dan Smith. Dan Smith. Thank you. Thank you very, very much. Just call him Nib Smith. That's his full name.

Adina Hurley: Yep. And he helped me by widening the shift for ink to go through. And he also gave me tips for ink additives and all of that. But basically saying that the ink is the problem, not the pen. But I've been too lazy to play with it and stuff like that. So I had moved on to my platinum, which I absolutely loved. But I managed to.

Myke Hurley: Not yet. We're going to get to that. We're going to get to that. And now I'm using the Sailor. We're going to get to that. Just a teaser for later on in the episode.

Adina Hurley: But the whole thing is that it motivated me to do something about this pen. So I just. And I didn't play with ink additives, though. Someone on Instagram showed me how to do it and how easy it is. And I was really sold on it, but I was still too lazy. So I just changed the ink to Diamine Pink Champagne, which is very similar to what I had before. But it flows nicer. And ever since then, I haven't put this pen down. I've been using it for two months now. And it's very surprising to me as well.

Myke Hurley: The Diamine Pink Champagne. Was that a pen show purchase as well?

Adina Hurley: No. When I bought the Sailor pen, I bought two types of ink for it. I knew I wanted something moody, rose gold. Something that would go with the rose gold with a bit of shimmer. And I had two options at the time. And at the time, I think I went with the Robert Oster. I don't remember what it was. But this one is nicer. It's punchier. And the shimmer is just gorgeous. I remember that even you were very envious and asked me for it. I have it in a pen.

Myke Hurley: I don't remember which pen I've got it in right now. But it's in one of my pens.

Adina Hurley: Yeah, you loved it too.

Myke Hurley: It's a very impressive shimmer, I think. It's a pink ink, but it has some gold in it. It's very nice. I like it a lot. Very fine. It's really beautiful.

Adina Hurley: And it comes through in a very fine nib as well. But that's great.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. Yeah. Because it's not really like a color-changing property. It's not shading. Yes. Yes. Which is why it can come through. Because it has an additive in it that's making it shine. There's something in it. It's one of the shimmer inks, so they have like a glittery nonsense in them. Right, Brad? They have something in them, don't they?

Brad Dowdy: The shimmer inks do. Yeah. The standard inks do not. But it's not always easy, especially when you have a fine nib, like in the Sailors, to get like the full character of ink that you see like in an ink swatch or on a page. Yes. Like when you're trying to make a purchase. So it's good that you like it in that nib. And that's always a consideration. Like when you're buying an ink is like what kind of nib am I going to use it in? Like I don't necessarily use a big shimmer or shading, I mean or sheening ink in a fine nib because you're kind of, you know, missing the point of why you bought that ink in the first place.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. So this one is a surprise that it, and it really does show up. Like the notes that Indiana writes are really good. It is a, when I look at it though, like on a white page, I do find it to be quite subtle. Does that not bother you?

Adina Hurley: It's this one by, in comparison to the one I had before. The RoboAzl one. Yeah. It's a bit punchier and that makes me way happier. The one before was a bit moodier and I felt as well that the writing would get lost on the page of it. So overall, I do recommend this one. I really love it.

Myke Hurley: Okay. What notebook are you using?

Adina Hurley: Today I'm using this Life Noble Note plane.

Myke Hurley: Okay. So you're looking at Life Notebook.

Adina Hurley: Yeah.

Myke Hurley: All right. So that's, that's Adina, right? That's everything today? Yes. Okay. What have you got, Brad?

Schoen Design Pocket 6

Brad Dowdy: I am using the Schoen Design Pocket 6. It is Ian Schoen's newest, and I guess first, fountain pen design. And, you know, Ian makes the pocket pens that we love for the Fisher Space Pen refills and other D1 refills if you get the adapter. But we have been on the Schoen Design Bandwagon for a while. So I was anxious to get his new fountain pen design. And I very much love it. I am surprised at how good it is. Not that I expect it to be bad, right? But like what he did is difficult. And he kind of nailed it like right out, right out the beginning. Yeah. And I'm very happy with it. The color I'm using is called Deep Space. So, you know, I like the wild barrel colors. It's this really, really, you know, neat anodization with like a rainbow of colors splattered all across the pen. Looks like a galaxy. And I'm using it with a really bright ink, the Caran d'Ache Chromatix Hypnotic Turquoise. So it's a bright blue with my bright purple and pink and green and blue pen. And I don't know. I just kind of love it. So it's been one of my favorites for a while. And it's just, I mean, it's typical shown design, high quality work, right? It's just really, really good. But crazily good price too, like it's $115 or so, which for like what this is, that's completely like a fair ask, right? It's just a good, good pen. The only thing is I've been using it a lot. And with this pen, the way the finish is, I want to preserve it. So I haven't been pocket carrying it like I do my other shown design pens, like which I feel like are just pens I will throw in my pocket with my keys and are just like beater pens. Even though this is technically designed to do the same thing, it has a different finish on it that I kind of want to preserve. So I have been case carrying it. So that's the only difference with this pen. I won't just throw it in my pocket because it's so pretty. I don't want to like ding it all up. What do you mean? Like what are you putting it in? It goes in the side of my Brasstown. So I've been carrying a Brasstown with six pens in the slots. And then the shown design goes in the side, the interior side of the Brasstown. So there's that extra room there. And it's the only, like I don't put another pen or accessory in there. It's just in there by itself. So it's protected.

Myke Hurley: Right. Okay.

Brad Dowdy: Yep. And I use the Rodea ice pad a lot, but not enough. Right. It's the perfect desk pad. Right. I don't take it with me anywhere. Like it's a top bound perforated pad, but it's in its A5 size. And it's the, the white cover Rodea with the silver, the silver paint job on it. I think it's the best looking Rodea and it's got a gray, like five millimeter grid, which I love. The only problem I have with this notebook is that it doesn't photograph well with that color of grid on the bright white background. Right. It tends to, you can really like over accentuate the grid. So I don't use it as much as I'd like to. It's one of those products that's perfect for me, like in person, but like it doesn't share well, like on Instagram or blog posts or things like that. I, I struggle with it a little bit. So I just ended up using it at my desk because it's just like, you know, like the Pano book, like the knock a five pad, any of those top bound spiral desk pads are kind of my favorite. And this is what I keep was what I brought to use for the podcast today because it can slide right next to my microphone stand and like within arm's reach. And it just kind of fits everywhere. That a five top bound size is like one of my favorites.

Myke Hurley: So I am using today the, uh, sailor pro gear sparkling Royal purple that I bought from Pensaci. Oh yeah. This one is very frequently in my rotation because you know, love me a pro gear, but this one's very special. It's the one that's got like the clear acrylic, like purple acrylic, clear acrylic body with the tons of glitter inside. And it has a white finial, white grip section, white cap, um, with gold trim. I absolutely adore this pen. It's wonderful. I do not remember what ink I have in it, Brad. I was like Googling around practically just then. You're the worst. I'm so bad. Cause the problem is I've got a purple ink in there, but I have like three purple inks. So I don't remember which one it is.

Brad Dowdy: Right. Between three purples. You could sort that out. It's like, it's not like you have 15 purples and you can't like match it up. You're just being lazy.

Myke Hurley: I think I have one of the Monteverde Suite Life inks in there, but I don't remember which one it is. Gotcha. That's where I feel like I am, but I don't, I don't remember. I just don't remember. I'm, this is like the, the ink is like the thing I'm really bad with. I think it's the birthday cake, but I don't remember buying that, but it does look.

Adina Hurley: We bought it in San Francisco.

Myke Hurley: No, I knew that we got some of them in San Francisco, but I don't remember which ones we got, um, so I'm going to say is Monteverde birthday cake is, is in there. I really love those inks. We have the key line. I know we have the key line pie and there's a, there's a red one. The strawberry something. Strawberry. Yeah. Strawberry shortcake or something is another one. I feel like this is a pop quiz. I really love the colors of these inks. Like the ones that we have.

Brad Dowdy: I think the one I have, I think I have mango mousse. Is that a name? It's the orange one. It's, it's wild. I have to review it. It's such a good color. These are really good inks. We've bragged on their inks before.

Myke Hurley: They're absolutely excellent. Like I'm, I'm using them in a bunch of my favorite pens, like, because I love the colors and all of the performance characteristics. So I, I'm, I am like 95% sure that that is the ink that I have in this pen. I just couldn't remember the name because I find the names very confusing. Cause like, I don't know why birthday cake is purple. Right. You know what I mean? Right. Like, so I struggle to, it's like, oh, it's violet something. Like I know the green one's key lime because that's easy, but I always forget the name of the purple one because it doesn't really link up in my brain as to why it would be called that. You know what I mean? Right. Sure. I lose sight of that. And then of course, I mean, I feel like it's boring at this point for me to say it because I say every single time we do this, I'm using the studio and eat panel book.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. I mean, I purposefully didn't choose that because I know you would, even though that lives on my desk too. Right. So like where I record my podcast is not where all my stuff is. So I have to bring stuff to come, come record on the podcast. So I purposely didn't choose the panel book.

Myke Hurley: It's like basically one of my favorite notebooks of all time at this point.

Brad Dowdy: It is the perfect desk companion. Just like why I like these A5 books. It's the same idea, but, you know, in a little bit different and unique format.

Myke Hurley: It seems like a particular use case, but I feel like it's a use case a lot of people have. If you want something to live between your keyboard and you, that is where this book belongs. Right. Like, and I think it's so, it was made with such a clever idea of like filling that need to be like, to have a notebook on your desk, but it fills a place that's usually blank. Right. This is like nothing there.

Brad Dowdy: So I also have, I have a shocking amount of vertical pages filled out in that too. I use it for a lot.

Sign Pens

Myke Hurley: That's interesting. It's like a man. It's like a, it's like a reporter's notebook for a giant.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah.

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Adina Hurley: Yeah, the 40 pack. Yeah, what can I say? I really like them. I had the, first of all, I was looking right now at the, Myke has up on his monitor, your review, Brad, and I think you call them sign pens, which really confused me because I would think of these type of pens more like fineliners, but that might be just me. And in this category, I definitely had loads around the house, the Staedtler, the Faber-Castell, the Stabilo 0.88. And compared to those, I really like these because they seem to be flying on the page. It's really easy to write with them. And I wouldn't use them for illustration or drawing or filling up large surfaces because they have that annoying thing where they leave a dot of ink at the end of a line. So I tend to use them more for writing in my journal, for making notes, especially as they're so fine.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, see, that's, I'm pleased that you have a good use for them. But like my thinking was to buy them for illustration. So I guess it's like, it's, I failed on that one. Like they're not for that. But like, I honestly, I didn't, I didn't even really look into them. It was just like, oh, here's a box of 40. It was a good price. Like, and there's a bunch of colors. Yeah. But so they are like, Brad, can you explain what a sign pen is? Because like these are called fineliners, but I know what you mean, but I want you to, I can't explain it as well as you can. And like the difference, and I think that this is why you're having the problem that you're having, or they're not fulfilling what you want because of the way these pens are made.

Adina Hurley: Right, right, right.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So it's an impossible definition, really. So I get questioned about it, like how I use the pen. What do you believe a sign pen is? Because, you know, someone else will refer to it as something differently. In general, I look back at some of the original Pentel sign pens, which were a plastic fibrous tip that came into a point where the ink was just at the point of that tip, as opposed to more of a needle style plastic tip pen that's pointy, which a lot of people refer to as fineliners. There's no, I don't, there's probably like a technically correct term for this or that. Um, so like it's good either way. I tend to refer to this. You'll see sign pens with this white tip with the color on the end of it generally tends to be a certain style of pen. And then you'll have your drawing fineliner pens will tend to be the more needle plastic tip pen. And a lot of times those, those are supported with like metal underneath the plastic tip.

Myke Hurley: And then also you've got the type of fineliner, which is more of a felt tip, right? Like a fibrous tip.

Brad Dowdy: Then you have like the full on marker tip, which is also a sign pen. Like that's the super famous Pentel one, um, which is just a, like a full black marker tip, which is a really wide tip. So yeah, I don't, as to my, like I, I would bet each company defines it differently. Yeah. Um, and then us as consumers kind of fall into like what we've been used to calling the one thing we got from the one company based on their nomenclature and transferring in that into other pens.

Myke Hurley: Cause I think it's a weird, I think me and you are pretty similar because I think of sign pens as like these ones with that are plastic. Like they have like a plastic tip and then the ink comes through. Like it's not all one color or made of like a marker, like material, like a fiber, right? Yeah. That they, they have this like hard plastic tip to them. So they are way more used for just like writing as opposed to artwork.

Adina Hurley: And I can see that as a definite benefit because I, I can see how even after long use, they don't, uh, like the tip doesn't erode or get thicker with time. So it's very durable in that sense. And I like that you bought a 0.4, it's always going to be a 0.4, you know, it's a really nice thing that. And the, the colors I have to say, I always, because I use this for writing usually, and I like, um, using a set of colors. If I did my journal, it highlights different things. I do appreciate in these sets when the colors are modern as opposed to standard. Totally. And I think they do a good job at that.

Myke Hurley: They're really bright. Like selection, the, the 40 selection is very bright. The selection that you got, Brad, was a little bit different. I think it was, it was a little bit dull. Yeah.

Brad Dowdy: They're contained in the 40, I believe. So this color is a, it's called the retro set, but I think they're part of the 40. Okay. Right. Um, you can't buy all of the 40 set separately, but there are a few groupings you can buy separately. This is one of them.

Myke Hurley: So you can buy all of them or a subsection of them, but not singular.

Brad Dowdy: Not, yeah, correct. I mean, I'm sure someone will probably break them out and sell them individually. Sure. Yeah. But that's not how Uniball presented them.

Uniball Set

Myke Hurley: Yeah. For me, it's like the, this, this feels like one of those things where, because the full set isn't that expensive. Well, if you find it at a place that's doing a good deal, it feels like it's worth going all in rather than buying like a couple of sets for five or 10 pounds each or whatever.

Brad Dowdy: Oh, for sure. For sure. Adina, do you find the, do you find them to be comfortable to hold like the shape? Cause they're square barrel.

Adina Hurley: Yeah. Uh, I did, I did read your review and I noticed that was a point for you, but not necessarily a deal breaker. Cause when I use them. Right. Um, I actually find them more comfortable than, um, uh, which one is it? Stabilo has like this hexagon shape. Like that would be annoying. And I understand, I agree with you that the triangle would be more comfortable, but I don't mind this one. It's all nicely rounded and it just doesn't get in the way at all.

Myke Hurley: You could get one of those little rubber triangle grip things, you know, I think it was any

Brad Dowdy: wider. It would be more of a problem, but they did it right to make it skinny enough. Like I, I'm a big believer in the, like the finer, the tip, the narrower the barrel diameter should be. So they did a good job with these.

Adina Hurley: Yeah. You'd know from the outside, what's on the inside. Right. Right.

Brad Dowdy: And like, if I'm going to draw, if I'm, if you're telling me that these are small writing pins, well, I don't need a big bulky barrel to write my tiny words and markings.

Adina Hurley: Yeah. Uh, but I love them and I know it's not technically a fine liner. I do understand now what you're saying and really 10 points for you for coming up with that explanation on the spot.

Brad Dowdy: I don't know that it's about, I'm going to get more emails about that explanation than anything.

Adina Hurley: Well, it helped me, um, but out of the set of compared to fine liners and other things that I would use for the same thing and like writing in the journal in a more colorful way. I think these are my favorite and they really slide on the page. So, and the colors are fun. So that's me.

Myke Hurley: So the real winner here is me because I found a decent gift.

Myke Hurley: Success everyone. Success. All right. So let's get into the, the meat of why we brought you on today. You know, we want to get an update. So we are now in January. And so that obviously a lot has, uh, happened in your pen life since the San Francisco pen show. Um, and you mentioned at the top of the show that you've been really enjoying the pro gear, like overall in general, do you feel like you've learned anything more about your pen tastes over the last few months? Because you have a selection of pens that have some differences between them.

Adina Hurley: I guess what I learned is that, and this is me in general as a person, I tend to get bored easily with one thing I use it for. Not, not you, don't worry.

Adina Hurley: Um, but, uh, uh, I, I tend to get bored easily. So I enjoy having this variety to rotate through. And, um, now looking at my pen set, I really enjoy that. I have all types of nibs almost in different, um, in different types of barrels as well with different types of inks. And I, I found myself to be moving in phases. Like right after, um, the San Francisco pen show, I was using my Kenalea Kahikai. I'm really bad with this, with a Robert Oster turquoise ink. And I move in pairings as well. Uh, after that one, uh, because I started doing a lot more journaling, I moved into my, a platinum 13776 with, um, a coral J Harban, uh, ink, which, uh, because that one is a medium as opposed to my Kenalea, which is a broad. Um, and that gave me a whole different experience and a different ink and it was all pink and positive. And then as we moved into Christmas, also not many spoilers. I broke that platinum. I'm, I had to move into my, uh, sailor and I use the more shimmer ink, which was great for Christmas. Everything was sparkly and I use it to write greeting cards as well. Um, so I, and I have other, uh, pens in my pen set as well that I find that I use for different things. Like I picked up the Tweezbee Eco for the greeting cards and I had that thought that, man, this is a good pen.

Platinum Pens

Myke Hurley: Yeah.

Adina Hurley: Um, so I guess what I learned is that I enjoy having the variety to move through it according to my mood or the content, what I'm using it for.

Myke Hurley: We should talk about the platinum.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. I kind of can't move on from that. Yeah.

Myke Hurley: We need to talk about this. There's bad platinum luck in this household.

Brad Dowdy: This is, this is the, this is the pink, I don't know the official name for this one, but it's like the pink finish.

Myke Hurley: The 3776.

Brad Dowdy: Finish alluloid cherry blossom.

Myke Hurley: Yes.

Brad Dowdy: Thank you.

Myke Hurley: It's really pretty.

Adina Hurley: It's really pretty. Exactly.

Myke Hurley: It remains pretty. Or was. No, no, it remains pretty. It's not that bad.

Adina Hurley: It's not beyond recognition, but it's still a pretty pen. Um, so what happened there was that when I was in the phase of using my platinum, uh, this autumn, I, I always wanted to have it at hand to pick it up, to use it for notes and whatever. So when I would put it back into my pen case, I wouldn't necessarily secure it or zip up the pen case. So one day when I moved the pen case from one surface to another, the pen just rolled out and it rolled out off the chair and onto the floor.

Myke Hurley: Um, it was uncapped though, right?

Adina Hurley: No, it was capped. It was capped. I wasn't using it. It just fell out of the pen case and also out of the same pen case. For some reason, I think I was using it at the time as well. It was also Myke's sailor. The orange jet. The orange jet. Oh, yeah. That escaped unscathed, which is very important because Myke already doesn't let me touch his pens, too many of his pens.

Myke Hurley: No, no, no, that's not true. The situation here with the orange jet was, I didn't know you'd taken it.

Adina Hurley: Oh, yeah, yeah. That's what it was. But to be fair.

Myke Hurley: That's even better.

Adina Hurley: So, in my defense, Myke was trying to get me onto the sailors, so he presented me with his sailor collection and that was the only one I liked how to write. And I think he didn't realize that I just borrowed it.

Myke Hurley: Stole it.

Adina Hurley: Stole it.

Brad Dowdy: I mean, is it really, like, it's still under the same roof. Like, is it really theft?

Myke Hurley: I think as soon as it's put into another pen case and zipped up, the theft has occurred. We'll see.

Adina Hurley: But luckily, it's not immediately broken. It's not immediately broken, I would say. But I feel that the nib isn't aligned as well and ink doesn't flow through.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, something's gone wrong. Yeah. It's not. Yeah. The lucky situation that we are in is, one, it was capped. So, there wasn't, like, severe damage done to the nib. But something has become misaligned. And so, it will take its way to a pen show some point in 2020 and just be tuned and fixed. Yeah. That's easily repairable. Exactly. I could fix that. It's just not right anymore. Yeah. That's the problem.

Adina Hurley: And it used to write so beautifully. I was really in love with that one in that phase and I was really heartbroken when I finished

Myke Hurley: We had to have a conversation that day about, okay, so now we've learned a little bit about pen transportation safety.

Adina Hurley: Always secure it. Respect the pen.

Myke Hurley: Respect the pen.

Adina Hurley: Yeah. I think this was always a problem for me going into more expensive pens because I would have a very, like, a budget collection, let's say, when I would go into work. And at work, my pen just, I don't know, depending on your presenting and gesturing, my pen would fly out of my hand or I would throw it in the bag next to my keys and it would get all scratched up. And my pens were always in a state. And I have really been trying with these ones that are a bit more expensive to look after them, keep them in a pen case. But still, there's a lot more to learn.

Pen Repair

Myke Hurley: These are the lessons that we all learn. Like, we've all broke pens that we didn't want to break. Expensive pens as we're, like, moving through this. I mean, and I still drop pens, right? Like, it happens. Yeah, sure. But there are things that you can do to mitigate it. And it's a learning process.

Adina Hurley: Yes. And all of this pain and frustration that I can't use my beautiful pain, well, it has led to positive outcomes that I'm actually using and liking my sailor. It motivated me to do something about it. But also, it makes me... Now, every day, I secure every one of them back into the pen case. I zip it up. So, at least there's that.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, definitely become one of us with that. Like, there's no middle ground, like, with protecting the pens. It's either you don't care, like you used to be. You just, like, throw them in a bag or a purse or chuck them on the desk. Or you, like, super protect them and, like, know where they're at at all times. And, you know, you still drop them from time to time. But the accidents are a lot less. So, that's super easily fixable. I think so. I wouldn't sweat that one too much.

Adina Hurley: I didn't think it was... It needed to be sent off the platinum. I think it's an easy fix with that one.

Brad Dowdy: Yep. Yep. Totally.

Adina Hurley: Nothing looked bent or broken.

Brad Dowdy: No, no, no. You really just need to, you know, clean it out, remove the nib in the feed, and then reseat the whole thing, and it should be good to go. But you may not be comfortable. Exactly. You may not be comfortable doing that, and, like, that's something that, you know, I could do or a bunch of people could do for you. Great.

Myke Hurley: I mean, I could... I have no problem doing that. I had to do it to my 3776, so I can try that out for you and see if that... That's what I would do. That's probably a good first step, right? But, yeah, I can do that.

Adina Hurley: Yeah, we'll try that next. Because I really love that pen. I still love platinum, my platinum more than my sailor. But I also love my sailor.

Myke Hurley: After this, I still love platinum. It wasn't platinum's fault. It was your fault. Yeah, I love them. I get it. It was. I get it. Is there anything else that you've been coming across recently?

Adina Hurley: I think it was this experience with Tweezbee Eco that was a bit unexpected. Because it was paired with green ink, I picked it up to use it on writing greeting cards. And I was really surprised that after writing with more expensive pens in the past months, that I still had that feeling that, oh, man, this is actually a great pen. And I don't mind writing with it. And I picked it up for a few days again to write in my journal. And I was really surprised about that. And I think it's great that a pen with such an accessible price can still compare and provide a good experience next to others.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, I completely fawn over that pen. I just can't stop talking about that pen. And people probably want me to shut up about it. But your commentary on it is validating every thought I've ever had about it and repeated about it. So thank you.

Adina Hurley: Yeah, no worries. But yeah, I think that's about it in terms of pens that I have tried. Yeah.

Pen Shows

Brad Dowdy: So do you have any interest in going to any more pen shows? Like I put in the show notes about London pen shows. There's actually three in London every year now. So the traditional London writing equipment show moved from once a year to twice a year. Our favorite pen show. Yes. Yeah. And then there's a brand new pen show that's coming this summer.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, we've spoken about it a few times, the Capital Pen Show.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, so this will be its first show.

Myke Hurley: I think for us, we will attend the Capital Pen Show provided we're in the country. Because June could be in San Jose for Apple conference time. Yep. But otherwise, we will attend the Capital Pen Show. Because they're doing some stuff like that. They're working with smaller brands. They have a Robert Oster Inc. Right? Like, it seems like that they have a better understanding of this part of the community. Even though I'm just saying, I still haven't reached out to me, Brad, but I just think of a travesty. Yeah. Honestly. But you know, what are you going to do?

Brad Dowdy: It's a modern... Maybe they're trying to make that modern take. And you don't want to like, you know, totally like separate the two. But you know, maybe they're trying something a little bit different. And it's good to see. Yeah. Yeah.

Myke Hurley: I'm excited to see how that one goes, genuinely. Because I think it seems to be a much more modern interpretation of a pen show in London. More akin to what we're used to going to in America.

Brad Dowdy: Well, maybe I should just go over there while you're over here. And I can just house it for you.

Myke Hurley: Or do a trade. Yeah. And you know what's next on your list? I won't believe that you have nothing on your list.

Adina Hurley: Oh, no, no, no. I do have something on my list. I clarified earlier that out of the pens I have or have used, something that I really have my eyes on is... And it's not a particular pen, but it's a pen that has something. I want a pen from Bunga Box that says, ink tells more on the nib. And I don't know how to get one. I don't know how... What the rule is in why certain pens have it or others don't. But I really want that.

Myke Hurley: It's an age thing. So all of their pens now say ink tells more on them. So if you're looking at my collection, unless they're doing something specific...

Adina Hurley: Like the Zodiac would have the astrology signs.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, but that's quite specific. Other than that, you can correct me if I'm wrong, Brad, but all of their typical pro gears that they do now, they all say ink tells more on the nib.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, I think so. I'm not totally sure what their rules are around that. But I think their standard, basic, which are super rare and hard to get releases, are... Unless they're themed into a specific thing like Zodiac. So yeah. It seems like that's been something that they've stuck with here in the past couple of years to where all their standard releases will say that. And I really like that.

Myke Hurley: There's another pink love coming.

Brad Dowdy: I saw that. I haven't dug into it. This will be the third one, right? Yeah, it will be.

Myke Hurley: I think it's in March. And they have something else coming in February. So we just have to keep our eye on it.

Adina Hurley: Yeah, yeah. When the right one comes along, I'll buy it. But obviously the barrel, the color scheme, and all of that needs to be right as well. But I know that the first filter is, does it have ink tells more on the nib? It will. Because it's just so inspirational. I really like it. And I like looking at that while writing too.

Myke Hurley: It's interesting because I always find, I always chuckle at it. I just think it's kind of like a cute, funny little thing. But it's interesting to me that it resonates with you to that level. But it's so basic. Like if you want to get one of these, the thing you do is follow their Instagram. Oh, I am. Because they will ultimately show the designs a little bit before. Yeah. And they give an idea of the date. And then you just have to try and like traverse their website, which is in Japanese.

Adina Hurley: Yeah.

Myke Hurley: If you can get through it and you can contact them, they will sell it to you here. Because that's how I get all of mine. Yeah. Except the one I bought from them in person in San Francisco is I just, I order. I just like go onto their website and I just send them an email. And the conversations are always wonderful and like hilarious in their own ways. This is where like everyone's using Google Translate with each other. But I've, you know, it works. It's worked out for me a bunch of times now. Like, yep. Aside from like one or two, all of my Bung Box pens have been bought direct. And I have a bunch of them now. Like I've done it like four or five times, I think.

Adina Hurley: Yep. I'm in no rush. I'm just waiting for the right one to come along. Yeah. Because I know they're probably quite expensive. So I'm just, I'm waiting for the right one.

Myke Hurley: I mean, they are. It's never like that much more than a regular Pro Gear. Like they're really not. Like there is a premium, but the premium is not, it's not wild.

Adina Hurley: I guess it's because I already have, I think my pen set right now has eight pens for each I rotate. I feel I don't have the need or to, for another pen or to justify it. But if I fall in love with it, if I fall in love with it, it's worth it.

Myke Hurley: You don't, you don't need to. Everyone here gets it. Everyone here wants a hundred pens.

Brad Dowdy: Like you're good. And like you said, the good thing about Bung Box is you don't have to rush into like the next one they launch because they're going to launch enough to where you'll eventually get like the perfect one for you. Yeah.

Adina Hurley: Outside of that, I don't have any other particular brands or any of that. I guess I need more exposure, but again, I'm not rushing into that. I'm enjoying mine.

Myke Hurley: This is probably a conversation that we should have just had a breakfast this morning, but do you have an update on my Platinum 3776 Galaxy pen?

Adina Hurley: I have an update, but it probably won't be a satisfactory one. Sorry.

Myke Hurley: Just to recap in case people have missed. This is the pen that I bought from a store here in London. It's the 3776 Arushi Raden Galaxy Platinum 3776. And I inked it up and immediately touched the nib to the paper upon getting home and unboxing it. And one of the tines just snapped right off the pen. So we contacted the shop who gave us the information for the dealer. We sent it to the dealer. The dealer has sent it to Platinum.

Adina Hurley: Yes. And I think that three months later or about there, I heard back from the dealer saying, great, thanks for the pen. And we can replace your nib for 60 pounds. At which point I was a bit concerned because one, it was under warranty. So I feel it should be covered, especially as it broke on day one. I understand they don't know, but there you go. And the other part was that even if you replace the nib with the right nib, isn't 60 pounds a bit cheap for a gold nib? Are you replacing it with the right one? So then I went back to the dealer to ask for more information about that and tell her my concerns. And I think that now we're a month later and I'm still waiting for that response. So I don't think it's the dealer that's slow. It seems like they're slow to get answers from Platinum, from my feeling. So I don't know what's happening, really.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, that wasn't a good first answer, though. No. I would not be happy with that.

Myke Hurley: No. I mean, so my feeling on it was, right, that like, obviously 60 pounds is too cheap for an 18-carat gold nib, right? So I was wondering if, like, it's a combination of the two. It's like, yes, it is kind of under warranty, so you're going to pay a cost for the nib. Right? That's kind of my thinking. Yeah, like they're cutting you a deal. Yeah. Yeah.

Brad Dowdy: But the argument is they shouldn't be charging you anyway.

Myke Hurley: No. But I want my pen back. So, like, if that's the deal they're going to cut me, I will take that deal. With the correct nib. Yeah, if they are going to replace it with the correct 18-carat gold nib, I will pay the 60 pounds for it, because I just want it to come back now.

Brad Dowdy: And just so listeners know, this is a special etching on the nib. It's not the standard 3776 gold nib. No.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, yeah. So it has a particular, right? Like, it's a nib that is...

Brad Dowdy: Particular stamping, I guess I should say.

Adina Hurley: And that was my concern as well. We are going to pay for it only if it's the right nib. And it didn't seem clear from the conversations with the dealer. She didn't know for sure it was that. So we're just trying to check. And that seems to take a while.

Myke Hurley: I'm never going to get this pen back.

Adina Hurley: Oh.

Myke Hurley: Oh, you will. It just may not be fixed. Yeah, it may just come back in its original configuration.

Adina Hurley: I'm sure it will be fine in the end.

Myke Hurley: I'm losing faith rapidly, honestly.

Brad Dowdy: I mean, I think I guessed, like, six months in the beginning, right? Like, this is at least six months of... I think so. ...just of bureaucracy, sure.

Myke Hurley: It's a little bit less than that. I think it's like four.

Adina Hurley: Yeah, I think we sent it in September. Okay. So, it's not there.

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Journaling

Myke Hurley: Let's talk about journaling. We are into mid-January now, so I'm expecting Brad has dropped two journals and picked up another four since our last episode. Adina sent me a text message yesterday and was like, Brad's using three journals right now?

Brad Dowdy: I said, yeah, Brad's using three journals right now. I am so content right now. Yeah, you're a big happy boy? Yeah. Okay. Totally. That's good.

Myke Hurley: Well, we don't need to rehash your wonderful system. So, Adina, I want to get a sense from you. In 2019, you picked up journaling as a habit, right? Yes. Okay. And what products did you use throughout 2019 to try and, like, in your dalliance with this?

Adina Hurley: Just paper products or any products?

Myke Hurley: Just paper products, really. I think that's the key because that's the journal itself, right?

Adina Hurley: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Myke Hurley: Unless you had some other journal that you want to talk about, like, I don't know, like digital or whatever.

Adina Hurley: Sure. Well, first of all, I've been getting more and more excited about you two talking about journaling on this show, even from starting with the bullet journal because that was something I've become more interested in.

Myke Hurley: You wait. Me and Brad are going to become those, like, Instagram journalists now. Like, did I tell you, Brad, I have 17 types of washi tape now to denote my mood? I feel like it's like a mood ring type washi tape. No, he doesn't. Stick that out the side. And, like, there was that article that I think you tweeted about where, like, that lady had, like, a little plastic wreath that she put in. It's like, what is happening? Like, these journals are the best journalists. Like, oh, God.

Brad Dowdy: That's a whole mood. That article was a whole mood. I was very unhappy with the presentation of that article. Yeah. But anyway.

Adina Hurley: But because I've become a bit more interested in that and personal growth and staying to a goal, all of that, I have, 2019 has been a year of exploration for me in journaling because I think I've had the same problem as you did before, Brad, in that all of these journals that have pre-printed prompts didn't bring me any value and they were difficult or weren't relevant for me to stick with them, whereas the other ones, their diary, the old school type wasn't appealing either. And in that process, I had also tried the bullet journal, but I found out that that doesn't... It's not a... I realized that I need more reflective type of journaling than a planning journal. So bullet journal didn't work for me as a system because I'm such an unrealistic person in terms of how many things I can achieve in a day. And the whole system became about moving a lot of tasks from one day to another. So that's what I've learned about myself. But the one... I guess the products that I've used most last year were the Toadbook from Studio Neat that I mostly used for reflective, long-form journaling. And I tested some prompts in there. But I also used an online app for just like journaling throughout the day in a way called the Grid Diary app where it's exactly that you set your own prompts and it prompts you every day to write in them. And I started realizing with that that the value in the journals lies in the prompts you use and the better they are suited for you and what you want to get out of your journal or your day, the most likely you are to stick with them. So I used that app mostly throughout the year to test various prompts.

Journal Preferences

Adina Hurley: And so this year... And I'm already moving the conversation into this year. But this year I was more clear on what I would like from a journal. And I started using the theme journal system as well. Haha, sucka! I mean, I would have probably had to say that I'm using it anyway.

Myke Hurley: No, don't say that because then you ruin the fact that you said it. No, no.

Adina Hurley: I actually got to it myself. Myke got it for me and I left it there for a few months. But when I did pick it up and after all of the lessons I learned last year in that I like the pen and paper experience, I like the flexibility of an open journal and I like picking my own prompts and changing them throughout the year according to where my interests and focus change throughout the year or areas. It just made sense for me and I also like about this journal how it feels like I'm a sales tool but I honestly am not trying to...

Myke Hurley: I mean, it's not a problem. There might still be a very small amount in stock by the time this episode goes out. So like if there is any, so don't worry about it. I mean, don't worry about the fact that you feel like a salesperson because right now there might be nothing to sell. That was a subtle flex there, Myke. What can I say? It's a good flex. But look, what can I say, Brad? You know, I've created the best journal known to man.

Adina Hurley: Yeah, it seems like it. So yeah, I think that that is a really good product and at least it's good for me. The other one that I've used last year and I'm keen to use more of this year is another one of Myke's gifts actually.

Myke Hurley: I'm so good at gifts.

Adina Hurley: Yeah. Myke is really good at seeing stuff on the internet thinking I didn't might like this and just putting them in front of my face and seeing what I do with them. You know, like an experiment. But the other product was the Sketch Free Dated Planner from Subkin Paris. Yeah. These came up on the show a while ago.

Myke Hurley: And I then purchased them for other Christmas gifts. They are like a sketch note paper, right? And they make it look like it's a calendar, but you write the dates in yourself, which I think is very nice. Like, obviously, I like that, right? That's what I did with the theme system. But I like, I mean, one, from a production standpoint, it's easy to make because you don't have to have...

Adina Hurley: You can sell it any year. Yeah.

Myke Hurley: And you don't have to, like, make a specific page for every day. Like, you don't have to design it that way. So it's easier for the company to make. But then I think it's kinder on the person who's buying it because then you can use it at your own pace. Yeah. They do print days, but they don't print dates, right? Like, I think that's how they work. But anyway, it's nice. I like it.

Adina Hurley: Yeah. So I'm very drawn to this one in that idea that it's not dated and you don't feel guilty if you miss a day. You just jump right back into it. And I was mostly... And I was using it for a more creative purpose, like trying to do one thing every day, get better at something. And I really... But I really enjoyed just summing up my day in a sentence and then trying to do different lettering or calligraphy around it and making it... Using all of my colors in my kit and just having fun with it as well, making journal it slightly more creative. And it's... I find it a really nice planner. I don't even know what to call it. A sketchbook.

Myke Hurley: It's a weird little product.

Adina Hurley: It is.

Brad Dowdy: It's such a great design. I saw that when they launched that and I just... I fell for it in there. They do such a good job with... It's a traditional product, but like in a unique way.

Myke Hurley: But you have to be a very specific type of person to want to use this. Because like, I love the idea of doing it, but I do not have the skill to sketch every day. Like, how many stick figures can I do, right? And I just like... I don't have that about me, but I like to think that I could be that person. It's like an aspirational product.

Adina Hurley: And it looks so beautiful. The paper is such good quality. And if you like fill it in with a fine liner or anything like that, it doesn't go through. And I'm really enjoying... And the shape is similar to... The one I have at least is similar to a panel book. So it's landscape and white. And I've really enjoyed that one. And I hope to use more of that this year to incorporate it in my day-to-day. But so far, the one that I've managed to stick with, to stick with, not get stuck with, was the theme system journal. And I really enjoy, even if I don't write in the day-to-day, to do the trackers. That's a minimum investment in it, even if I don't have time. So I don't have any excuse to not do it. But I really see value in journals. And I'm really pleased that I hear you guys talk more about this on the show.

Analog Tools

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, I hope it becomes a recurring theme. I think there's just so much benefit in using these types of tools. We talk a lot about buying stuff, right? But we really, it's nice to, you gotta use the stuff, right? That's the goal. Use the stuff that fits you, your style, your needs, just like your fountain pen journey that you're talking about. You're figuring out what you like. And the journals, now you have different options presented to you, figuring out what you like. I love hearing about this stuff.

Myke Hurley: It's actually one of the things that I find valuable about journaling. And it's why I am, as a, even though I'm a pen and paper person, I'm a digital first person, right? Just in general, in my life.

Myke Hurley: And pens and paper are a hobby. It's not like my way of life like it is for some people. You know what I mean? Like I don't issue digital to use analog. I choose what's right for the purpose. But one of the reasons that I journal on paper is it gives me legitimate reason to use my pens every day. You know, like as I said many times, but like, and I do this also with my show notes. Like when it, like the notes that I write during our episodes that we do today, I take two pens and I write all the headings with one and then everything, like all the notes with the other. So I use two pens every day. They're different from the pens before, right? Like it's why I write down in my theme system at the very top of the blank area of the page. I write down the two pens that I've used and don't allow myself to use those two pens the next day. So like I'm forcing myself to rotate through my pen collection and using them all.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, I just think there's an untraceable value in using analog tools. Like you can't put your finger on it. You can't measure it in black and white measurements, but even just putting a pen to paper, like for little things like headers on a page. I just think there's just like a benefit to that that you can't measure, but it's there. I fully believe in that. That's just me.

Adina Hurley: I agree too. I have also tried to include a bit more psychology in a way in what I do because I felt the previous planners on the market just had sometimes wishy-washy type of prompts. And actually I even, even yours, Brad, I actually wrote them down when I was thinking about my themes and my headlines because I thought yours were fantastic and so well-rounded.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, Brad has the best. What is it? Joked and yoked. Like, those are so good. Stoked and joked.

Brad Dowdy: Stoked and joked. That's it. Yeah. Good. It wasn't going to work unless it was me.

Adina Hurley: True.

Brad Dowdy: And that took, I sat and sat and sat until I came up with that.

Adina Hurley: Oh, it's such a good job. Myke can just use it to promote the whole product. Thanks. And it's amazing.

Adina Hurley: But yeah, and I do enjoy, as I was saying, I like the psychological effect of it in a way and tying it into psychology, either by tying it to goals and where you would like to grow, either by just psychology principles in some way. So at the end of the day, I enjoy sitting down and, as Myke was saying, to put pen on paper, try all of the pens that bring you joy and inks and all of that, but also reflecting on your day. And I really enjoy doing that and I think there's a lot of value in it.

Brad Dowdy: Yep, absolutely. Couldn't agree more.

Myke Hurley: Do we have anything else we want to cover today?

Brad Dowdy: I mean, do we have another hour?

Myke Hurley: I mean, we could squeeze one in. I don't know if we do. Next time.

Brad Dowdy: No, no. We have to save more for the next time. Yep. Adina's on. Which there will be a next time, right, Adina?

Adina Hurley: I'm sure it will be. I'm moving very slow with my penmanship or my pen consumption behavior. Penpersonship. What is it?

Myke Hurley: Penpersonship. That's good.

Adina Hurley: Exactly.

Myke Hurley: You should move slow. Yeah, don't do what I did.

Adina Hurley: Yes, I agree. So see you in a few months, hopefully.

Myke Hurley: Yeah.

Brad Dowdy: Sounds good.

Myke Hurley: All right. If you want to find our show notes for today's episode, you can go to relay.fm slash penaddict slash 393. Adina, where would you like people to find you?

Adina Hurley: Oh, my God. I'm checking. I think it's on Instagram. I think it's Adina Hurley. You're Adina Hurley on Instagram. You are, yes. I never have to give this to people.

Myke Hurley: I know that. Adina Hurley on Instagram. You can find me. I'm iMike. I-M-Y-K-E. Brad is penaddict on Instagram. Dowdy is on Twitter. You can go to penaddict.com. Twitch.tv slash penaddict. Brad streams twice a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays, 10 a.m. Eastern. Go to knock.co for a wonderful selection of case products. Anywhere else you want me to send people to today, Brad? No, that sounds great. Sounds wonderful, right? Thanks so much to Squarespace and Pensilay for their support. Adina, thank you so much again for gracing us with your presence on today's episode.

Adina Hurley: And thank you both for having me on the show again. Thank you, Adina.

Myke Hurley: We listened to the demands of the penaddict audience. Oh, yeah.

Adina Hurley: And thank you for the feedback, everyone.

Myke Hurley: Absolutely. We'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye, everybody. Goodbye, everybody.

Adina Hurley: Why did you whisper? I don't know.