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Episode:	325
Title:	Sailor Museum Curator
Release Date:	September 12th, 2018
Hosts:	Brad Dowdy Myke Hurley
Guests:	No guests this episode
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Official page:	Episode 325
Audio File:	Audio Episode 325
Podcast page:	The Pen Addict 325
Length:	6363 min <br />1.05 h <br /> minutes
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Episode Introduction

Myke Hurley: From RelayFM, this is The Pen Addict, episode 325. Today's show is brought to you by Pen Chalet and Squarespace. My name is Myke Hurley, I am joined by Brad Dowdy.

Brad Dowdy: Hello, Myke Hurley, Sailor Museum curator. How are you today?

Myke Hurley: Hmm. My... So... Okay. I do currently have four Pro Gears on the way.

Brad Dowdy: Like, they all went through, like, legitimately?

Myke Hurley: Well, okay, so, I have placed my order, I'm paid with Bung Box. Gotcha. But I haven't got any shipping notification. And that's one? That's one. And, by the way, they've been posting some pictures of the, was it the Arancello or something, on Instagram? Yeah. Oh, my God. I'm very excited about this pen. Do you see that?

Brad Dowdy: It looks even better. I put a link in the show notes. Like, it's... It's even better than, like, the press release images are pristine. This picture, like, the live Instagram picture, actually made me want it more than the, like, press release picture. Yep. I'm very, very excited. I wish you would not put that in the show notes.

Myke Hurley: Well, that's just what's, you know, that's just how it is. So, I'm very excited about that. But, yeah, so, I paid for that. That hasn't even shipped. But I don't consider that one a problem because I've ordered them before and they're great to work with. My Pensachi pens, they just passed through customs in the UK today. Oh, wow. So... That's crazy. I may get the customs notification by the end of this week. So, maybe by next week's episode, I will have three pro gifts to review on the show, I guess.

Brad Dowdy: I can't wait to hear how customs works this time.

Myke Hurley: That's going to be exciting. I'm considering this a bonus for myself because I oversaved on my taxes. It's the time I pay my taxes right now because it's like, right? Like, you pay in the UK, at least on your business, you pay your taxes, or at least your tax return is raised at the time your company was founded. Really? And I created my company here in the UK in July. So, that's when your company year ends and that's when your tax calculations are done. Interesting. I didn't realize that. So, my tax calculations were done and I'd oversaved significantly. So, I'm taking those savings and spending them on Progeist.

Myke Hurley: It's a bonus to myself for being so diligent with saving. So, I now get a reward. That's approved business purchase. That's how I treat it. You know, like, I way oversave for my taxes and then I get a bonus for being a good boy. I like it. That's how it works. So, we got some feedback from Laura who wrote in to tell us that Retro 51 actually did a fountain pen version of the Chupino, which is the abalone shell model that we were talking about last time, in the 80s. And Laura has one.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, I got sent pictures from our friend Mark Bacchus who has that one as well. So, he's like, hey, they did this one before with the silver trim. How cool is that?

Myke Hurley: Yeah, and I feel like, now having seen this, that I have seen this pen before.

Brad Dowdy: I wonder if was it just in the fountain pen version? Like, was there a rollerball version?

Myke Hurley: I can't see and nobody's said anything about them doing more than just a fountain pen for this.

Brad Dowdy: They pull up Mark's tweet. I can't remember what he said.

Myke Hurley: But I feel like I've seen the fountain pen version.

Brad Dowdy: So, Mark has the rollerball one. I have an image of it. I'll put that in the show notes.

Pen Purchase Regret

Myke Hurley: Now, if I had seen that before, I would have 100% bought that. I feel like I've just seen the fountain pen. Like, if I saw that in a pen show, 100% I'm walking away with one of those, right? Right. You know. But, yeah, so I think that's cool. I did order mine. I ordered mine from Penn Shelley. And that is shipped, too. So, that's on the way as well.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, you sent me a screenshot of the receipt, I think, that afternoon.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. Like, the day we recorded. I put them up real quick. The day they launched. And I just, I jumped on it. Because this is a really, really good one to add to my collection. I think this is one of the nicest looking Retro 51s that they've done in a very long time. So, I'm very excited about it.

Brad Dowdy: That is a very appropriate collection pen.

Myke Hurley: I think so. I think so. Like, I don't think it's going to be one that I would use, like, on the regular. But I would 100% want to have this in my drawer when I open it up and get to see them all, you know?

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. And you can't buy them all, right? I mean, there's no way. So, buying the ones that are special are important, especially for someone like you who has such a large collection of them. I think it's a great idea. Good job. Yeah. I would have picked that one, too. That's really nice.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. I'm very excited about it. I bet it looks even better in person, too.

Brad Dowdy: Oh, gosh. Yeah. For sure. I'm very excited about it. For sure. So, I have the rollerball, the tornado image that I will send to you for the show notes when we're done.

Myke Hurley: All right. Sweet.

Myke Hurley: You've put in a link in our show notes. It just says Myke needs one of these, too. Mm-hmm. And it is another sailor pen.

Myke Hurley: And I can't really work this one out. It looks like a cross between, like, a purple cosmos and, like, this almost orangey clip.

Brad Dowdy: It's super ugly.

Myke Hurley: Good. I'm pleased you said that because I really don't like this pen.

Brad Dowdy: I was worried that I was going to upset you. No. God, no. I don't know what's going on here, but no. This is a no from me, dog. Like, it's fine. Like, it looks good. It doesn't look great like all these other limited editions that we're spoiled with in the past couple of years now.

Myke Hurley: It's an uncanny valley for Sailor that I see a lot of these slip into. So, like, I see a lot of times at pen shows people will bring their weird and wonderful pro gears that were, like, limited editions for some time because, you know, like, some store in Japan had one for an opening or whatever, right? And what they look like is what this one looks like, where it's somebody went into the storeroom at Sailor and took a handful of caps and a handful of bodies and just put them together. Right. Right. Where, like, and then you look at, like, the orangeello where it's, like, similar in essence, right? It is a different body and a different cap in material and color, but they work. Right. So, there is, like, this real fine line that you have to kind of navigate when they make these special editions because sometimes, for reasons that I can't work out, it just doesn't look right together. And this is 100% one of those.

Brad Dowdy: It just doesn't look right. This is like the color schemer edition, that account I follow, where it's just randomized. Yep. And, like, it's like someone pushed a button or, like you said, they walked into the warehouse and grabbed two parts and jammed them together and said special edition.

Myke Hurley: Well, it's like the vegetable ones. Do you remember those? Mm-hmm. Yeah, the carrot and the... Yeah, they didn't look right. Like, there was just something really wrong about them.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, but it looked like they at least tried. Like, I felt they were okay.

Myke Hurley: There was, like, one or two of them that were okay, but by and large, they did not look good together. Yeah. Well, do you remember the name of that line? I can't. I don't know. Okay. I'll find it. I mean...

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, it was only, like, last... It was last year. I just remember the carrot one. I can't remember all the other ones.

Myke Hurley: They were funny.

Brad Dowdy: They were really nice, and I liked those. Like, I didn't buy any of them. And plus, those had the special nibs, too, right? They had the vegetable on the nib, which was really, really neat.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, there were elements to those that made them work, but by and large, they were pretty weird. They were weird. They were really weird. Yeah.

Brad Dowdy: So, this just looks like kind of a mistake. I don't know what's happening here, but yeah. Pass on this one. Myke, though, I was feeling left out with all of your purchases last week. So, I did do something on my own without consulting you. It's not quite at the price point that you were at, but it might be in a more egregious percentage upgrade for what the pen is. I bought a limited edition TWSBI Eco. Okay. And there's an orange one. That is a Japan-only TWSBI Eco. So, a friend of the show, Calligraphy Nut, sent me that link. And he said, hey, I'm buying one. You want in? And I said, well, yeah. If someone's going to go through the effort of making the purchases from Japan and I can tack on to that, I'm in. You know, because that's not always a straightforward process. And I know he does it lots. So, he's very experienced in this. So, he sent me this link. I was like, I'm in. You know I love the Eco. This orange one is fantastic looking. And I think it's going to cost me like $50 for this Eco, which, like I said, percentage-wise is pretty egregious compared to what you're spending. Your sailors are like 10% or 20% more than like a standard sailor for a limited edition. This was like 50% more for a standard edition. But I don't care. I love it. I think it's fantastic looking. What do you think?

Myke Hurley: I think the color is brilliant. Like, it's super vibrant. It almost feels like a shame that it's limited.

Brad Dowdy: Kind of. It's a basic color, right? Yeah. Like, they did the, like, some of the translucents and pastels, pinks and blues for China limited edition. That seems correct, right? This is, it's obviously not a primary color, but it's a major color, right? It's like doing purple, you know, or, you know, green, like standard green as your limited edition. It seems like it should be used for more, a larger audience or a more widespread audience. But, hey, I'll take it any way I can get it.

Myke Hurley: All right. I looked at this link today.

Brad Dowdy: The next link we're going to be discussing? Yeah.

Y Studio Pen Introduction

Myke Hurley: Yeah. The new Y Studio pen. Can you just give people a refresher on the Y Studio pens, like, just in case, so they can just remember them?

Brad Dowdy: Well, it's a pen that I'm fascinated with. They came out about two years ago with the Y Studio Brassing Fountain Pen. I think, actually, the ballpoint, the retractable ballpoint might have come out first, and I looked at it, and it looked fine. Then they came out with the Y Studio Portable Fountain Pen, and our friend Patrick Ng was teasing these and these pictures of it. I was like, this is one of the most stunning pen designs I've ever seen. I need this. And at the time, not a lot of vendors were carrying Y Studio, so I worked with a company in Amsterdam called Cozy. They're really nice to work with, and I bought one from them. When they launched them, I was able to get, like, a preview of it and got in a pre-order, I should say, not a preview. And I got my pen. Love it. Still one of my favorite pens. So I'm on the Cozy email list, and the portable ballpoint pen Dragon Cloud shows up in my inbox yesterday, Myke. And, like, I had to get, like, a towel to wipe the drool off the corner of my mouth.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, this thing is absolutely stunning. It is gorgeous. I am in love with it. Like, I have never seen a pen that looks like this. It is wild.

Brad Dowdy: So I'm reading the description. It's basically an artistic process to lay this foil over the pen. So that's how this effect is created on the pen. We'll have it in the show notes. And on top of that, it doesn't have the knock. It has the loop, like the fountain pen, which I prefer. So just aesthetically, it's everything. It's, I mean, this pen is everything to me, but the price is, I'm going to have a hard time spending 270 euros on a ballpoint pen. Like, I don't blink at more expensive fountain pens.

Myke Hurley: It's over $300.

Brad Dowdy: Like, I spend almost $200 on my pen type Bs, right? And that's a lot of money. Like, I understand why people don't like that. That's a lot of money. This is...

Myke Hurley: But, though, but, like, for an aesthetic, I think it's worth it. Maybe. Like, this pen is like art. Right. This is a tricky one. I mean, my hang-up is I probably wouldn't use it because I'm probably not going to want to use the refills that fit in it. That's my hang-up.

Brad Dowdy: Right. At least to ship it with an OtoGel refill, which it doesn't matter. But that rate of price on the pen, yes, I know what you're saying. You're not going to be able to get your best writing experience for that type of money.

Myke Hurley: And so that's why I won't buy it because I won't want to use it. But, like, if this was either on a fountain pen or I could put a Schmidt refill in it, I would have bought it already. Which you probably can.

Brad Dowdy: I'm pretty sure this Oto refill that they're using is a Parker-shaped refill. Yeah. It says it on the thing, Parker-type. So your Schmids and things would buy it.

Myke Hurley: I would want to know it fits, right, before I would buy it. But this is stunning. It's beautiful. Like, that effect... I'm actually surprised you said that. Oh, I love it. I mean, I have... And I told you this. Like, I have played around with buying one of their pens. Because I also really, really like that look. Like, the Y Studio look. I really like the desk set. The desk fountain pen. I think it's beautiful. And I really like the materials that they play with. And one of the reasons that I've never bought it is because it's, like, mostly untreated brass, right? And copper. Which I don't really like. Like, but potentially, I don't know. With the way that this one's made, it might be different. But, like, I just don't like the brass smell on my hands. But it has that foil on it, which could change it. I don't know.

Brad Dowdy: But, yeah. This one, this is a knockout. I don't know what to do. So I'll probably not buy it is what I'm leaning to. I think the price is a little much for me to fathom.

Myke Hurley: What is the maximum you would pay? Why?

Brad Dowdy: It's irrelevant, right? Because I buy $600 and something dollar Nakias. You know? So it's not, like, a price. It's just like a... I don't know. It's this weird math problem in my head, right? I don't know how to explain why I don't have a problem spending $600 and something dollars on a Nakia fountain pen. And I'm having trouble, like, buying a $300 ballpoint. It's just different. I, you know, there's... Every item is taken on an individual basis. There's... I don't have, like, just a standard hard, fast rule. You know? Every product's an individual. Just like I reviewed this Midori pencil on Monday.

Brad Dowdy: It's outrageously priced for what it is. And it's $1.85, right? But I just said I spent double what a normal TWSBI ECO goes for to get an orange one.

Brad Dowdy: Right? So how do you justify these things? Well, to me, it's an individual item based on the individual usage for me as a person. It's got to feel right.

Myke Hurley: Right? Like, it's got to just feel like you're just going to be like, yeah, okay, this is worth it. Yep. Unfortunately, I guess, especially for people who make an audio-based medium, sometimes it's difficult to explain. But it's just about the feel, right? Like, does it feel right to you? And if it doesn't, then don't spend $300 on it.

Brad Dowdy: But it's super personal and individual, right? Like, I don't begrudge anyone for spending anything on any product, right? Because it's what it means to them, not me, right? Yep. I'll make my own decision on this. And someone might think it's like the stupidest purchase ever, but I could be ecstatic with it, right? So I don't ever judge anyone for what they spend, whether it's $1 or $1,000 on any product whatsoever. Like, it's just, you know, there's a lot more that goes into any decision than just the pure price. Speaking of price.

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Brad Dowdy: You ready for this? Yes. All right. I like it. Pilot 100th anniversary press release. We've been talking about it.

Myke Hurley: We've been wondering about it. And of course, now's the time that we're going to get exactly what we're waiting for, right? That's what we're going to get it? We're going to get what we've been waiting for?

Brad Dowdy: We're going to get everything we've been waiting for, Myke, except for none of it.

Myke Hurley: Okay.

Brad Dowdy: So what's the deal? So Pilot put out a press release two days ago, Monday, I guess, and said, hey, here's our 100th anniversary celebration pins. And what this set is built around are, you know, Japanese themed. Obviously, it's, you know, Pilot as a company. So they have the Seven Gods as their main focus, their premium model. We'll talk about the pricing and all that stuff in a minute. And then they have Mount Fuji and some other pins as more of their, you know, we'll go with entry level 100th anniversary pins. But when I, so this link, as soon as it landed, you know, we're getting flooded with messages and, you know, go take a look and go take a look. And I'm stunned at the artwork. Like it's stunning what they've done. The pins are beautiful. But then you get into the details. And that's where we're going to break it down a little bit. So let me, let me paint the big picture on what this press release said. So you have your Seven Lucky Gods set. This is the lacquered Arushi Seven Gods, One God per pin. So seven pins as a set in this big, beautiful lacquered box. They each come with their own bottle of ink, you know, separate colors for each of those. And there's only 25 sets of these. It's probably unfair to ask you this at this point. But could you have even guessed what the price was if you didn't see this already? Would you have any idea? Like, could you look at this and go, I think this 25 set of seven pins is probably X amount of dollars. Did you have that math in your head or no?

Myke Hurley: Right. So there's just like breaking down, there are 25 sets that include seven pins in them, right? Yes. So there's only 25 in the world. 25 in the world. I mean, I don't remember the amount of this one because I was going to look at the originals. I mean, if I'm being real, I would say it was a six figure number.

Brad Dowdy: Okay.

Myke Hurley: See, I was thinking less. You got 25 of them in the whole world and there's only seven pins in every package, especially if you look at them, right? You look at them, you're like, oh, okay. Right. So how much is it?

Pilot Pen Pricing

Brad Dowdy: So it's 45. This is approximate translations of yen currency. As of today, it's approximately 45,000 US dollars for a single set.

Myke Hurley: Which again, so that is an insane amount of money, right? Like it doesn't matter how much I guess, like $45,000 is a crazy amount of money. I just went super high because it's like, well, this is very clearly like a museum piece. It's what they've made here, right? Right. So, you know, yes, that is wild, but I think it gets worse though.

Brad Dowdy: Okay. So the second, I'm going in order of pricing here. So the second one is called the Fuji and it's an emperor size fountain pen. If you're familiar with Pilot's product lines, the emperor is their largest single barrel pen. It's like a number 20 nib. It's a monstrous pen. Um, this pen is limited to 100 units and it's $9,000. Um, it's stunning. I mean, it's the artwork is stunning. It's beautiful. I don't know what else to say about it. It's, it's expensive, but it's beautiful. I mean, I don't like it's jaw dropping a beautiful. I think it's the single best pen out of the whole thing, but it's gigantic. So it's, uh, oh, sorry. I'm getting corrected. It's a number 50 size nib. So it's a monster. It's a monster pen, monster pen. So that's, uh, the second pen grouping, if you will, the Fuji. And then the final one is called Fuji and Mehimaru, uh, which is a ship. Uh, I didn't read the entire story. Um, this is a stunning looking pen again, like all of these are beautiful. It's limited to 800 units and it's $1,350. So, and it's the most approachable in price, most approachable in size. I think it's the most reasonably priced, not just because of the dollar amount, but it seems to be like the most approachable pen, right? As it's at the bottom of this list, but it's still $1,350 and there's only 800, 800 of them. Um, so this is all they released in this giant press release that they did. So what are your thoughts overall, big picture on it?

Myke Hurley: Uh, when I saw this, my initial reaction was like, of course, right? Like, of course, this is what you would do, right? Like this is a, this is not BIC we're talking about here, right? Right. Like this is a company like pilot with an incredible heritage that makes pens like this, right? They make pens like this every now and then they will make something, which is an art piece. Like they do that. And if a company has a history of ever doing something like that and they're celebrating their 100th anniversary, like, of course, they're going to go and do some absolutely bonkers stuff that is probably like a bunch of these that never actually going to get sold. Like they're going to be given to like the board, right? Like these, this is just something that they are making and they've put a press release out to kind of put a line in the sand to be like, we made this thing. We are celebrating our, our like contribution. Like this is us as a company. Like these are not intended to really be bought by anyone. Right. But they're just making them now. I am 100% fine with this. So long as they do some other stuff that is meant for fans of the brand, because otherwise this is pompous and ridiculous. If this is all they do, right, that that is like to mark the 100th anniversary is like you have to be a millionaire, right? To want to contribute to this because no one's going to buy these unless you are in a very, very serious financial situation because it's not like, because why else would you do it? Now, like this amount of money, we buy pens that get close to this, but it's a completely different type of transaction because like there's not only 800 of them in the world. People aren't buying these pens to use them. And I think if you did, you'd kind of be ridiculous, right? Like if you bought this pen and used it, like put your money somewhere else and use something different. Like these aren't made to be used every day. This is not what they're for, right? That they are pieces of art, right? Like it just feels different to me. Like that you, no one's intending that these things are going to be used, right?

Brad Dowdy: We're pretty much on the same page, I think, across the board. Okay. I love what they did and I want to know where the rest of it is.

Brad Dowdy: You know, I, this is stunning. This is exactly what pilots should do for their 100th anniversary. These pens, I would be shocked if 20% of them were on available on the open market. It might be 0% of them. Like you say, I think these are going to the biggest, um, players in pilot company, their largest customers over the decades and decades and hundreds of years that they've been around. I think it's awesome. There has to be something for the fan as well for the regular guy. And if it's not, I am kind of with you. This is like the height of arrogance if this is all they do because there's nothing for us. And am I selfish for saying that? Yeah. I'm a pilot fan. It's their 100th anniversary. I would like to celebrate too. And I'm never going to see one of these pens in person. More likely than not, I will never lay my eyes, much less my hands on one of these pens. They're not made to be used, like you said. Um, and this doesn't take away from what they've done for this. I don't think it's just, there has to be more. I'm just, I'm waiting to see if it's going to be more. It, there has to be more, right?

Myke Hurley: Well, one of the greatest things that a company can accomplish is getting to a point where people want to buy products just to celebrate it.

Brad Dowdy: Mm-hmm.

Myke Hurley: If you have that, which Pilot does, to not make something that will allow people to do that is bonkers, right? Like that, that would be a very, very bad idea. You would squander something that you have. Right. Like, I want to buy a nice Pilot fountain pen for $150 or $200, which is limited edition to celebrate the 100th because I love this brand. That's, that's what I want to do. And they must know this, like if they don't make anything, that's really peculiar.

Brad Dowdy: It is. It's been an odd year, right? We've been waiting for this all year and they dropped this on us, which is, I mean, I just want to be crystal clear. What they've done is amazing. Mm-hmm. Like these are amazing art pieces. I don't know that it's the best corporate representation of their 100th anniversary. At the same time, do they owe us that? I don't know. I kind of think they do because they don't have 925 customers, right? That's how many pens they're releasing here or sets of pens. So 800 of one pen, 100 of one pen, 25 sets of seven pens, 925 units. They have millions of customers, hundreds of thousands of fans and thousands of hardcore fans. And 100% of us are left out of wanting to celebrate with Pilot for, and let's be clear, this isn't the 85th anniversary. I mean, the 100th anniversary is a big deal. So I don't know. It's like, I don't begrudge them for this release. I just hope there's more. And they made a note that they're celebrating it actually on October 1st for their anniversary. Maybe we get some more things by then. I mean, if it's the Precise V5, you know, in some limited edition pen, that'd be great. Or the G2. Maybe it's time they revamped the G2, you know, or some of the, you know, mid-range fountain pens or, you know, whatever. I don't know. It could, I just feel like they're leaving a lot on the table to flex on us like this, right? I mean, they just dropped this. They just duked right on our heads with these. And just, you know, I, and it's like, okay, what about the customers that pay the bills? You know, what about the customer that's using, you know, the G2 for all of their schoolwork and loves and won't buy Uniball because they're so committed to Pilot, you know? Those types of things. So it's interesting. I put a link in the show notes to the, I'm sure you're familiar with the Wu-Tang album where they just recreated a single album that no one got to hear until that tool bag bought it. But Once Upon a Time and Shaolin, it was a huge deal. And I got to thinking about this. Is this the same type of thing? It's probably not because that's more of an art piece, right? But as a fan, if you were a Wu-Tang fan, wouldn't you want to hear that album, right? And were you mad at them at the time? So, you know, I don't know that I have a right to be mad at Pilot for this because they're kind of doing this same like really high-end premium thing. But just like Wu-Tang, they have millions of fans all over the globe. It's probably not, you know, an apples-to-apples comparison. But I felt like, I don't know, if I was a hardcore Wu-Tang fan and I didn't get to hear this crazy album that they released, I'd be kind of ticked, right? What about the everyman? You know, I feel like right now the everyman's being left out of this. And I feel that's a miss on Pilot. I don't begrudge them for releasing this at all. Like, they 100% should do exactly what they did. There has to be more, right?

Myke Hurley: Did that Wu-Tang album ever get out?

Brad Dowdy: I don't think so. Okay.

Brad Dowdy: Shrekly said he was going to rip it and post it somewhere. I don't know if it was torrented or whatever. I'm sure.

Myke Hurley: Well, I think it ended up getting seized, didn't it? Right. In these assets.

Brad Dowdy: Right. Yeah. It did. So, I don't know where the status of it is now. And he played it one time on YouTube, I think, like in the background while he did something like that.

Myke Hurley: Okay. Yeah.

Listener Feedback

Brad Dowdy: But yeah, so is it fair for us to complain? I think that's the question I got the most. Not directly worded that way, but what are your expectations for companies who release anniversary products? So, like we bagged on Lamy for the Lamy 2000 Black Amber. That was the 50th anniversary of that pen. And, you know, pilots release these, you know, upper echelon pens for their 100th anniversaries. What do you expect from a company that's celebrating something huge in their history? Like, is it fair to complain that you didn't get what you wanted out of them? Did we set unfair expectations ahead of time that we're only setting ourselves up for failure? It's a little entitled, right? Sure.

Myke Hurley: Be like, you didn't give me what I wanted. But I figure any, you know, if a company wants to celebrate something, do they want to just celebrate it on their own? Right? Because if they're not interested in providing things for people to buy, that is something that more people can buy, then they may as well just have a little party in their office and hand out these pens to each other and leave it at that, right? Yeah. I feel like if you're going to go to the great lengths that Pilot have gone to publicize their 100th anniversary, you should recognize the people that have allowed you to stay in business for the last 100 years.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. This is not a small company with a niche customer base localized to, you know, smaller areas of Japan. This is a global corporation that probably every single person has a product of in their household at one time or the other, right? Whether they understand what Pilot is or not, that's besides the point. This is just the point I'm making is this is a large company and has lots of fans across, you know, all types of products that they use. So I don't know. Am I putting unfair expectations on them saying, hey, where's my pen? Yeah. I mean, I can admit that. But I'm also the hardest part I have looking at it is from a business perspective and trying to understand a large event like this to not praise the customers more than they were doing. You know, they're praying. This is like a huge pat on the back for them. Like it's like a self-flagellation thing, right? They're just that's what it looks like to me as opposed to celebrating the customer that put them in this place to begin with. That's what I'd like to see.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, I mean, I agree with you.

Brad Dowdy: Like, but I also at the same time, I feel bad for complaining about this. I'm not really complaining about this. I totally am on board with what they've done. I just hope like, heck, this is not it. There's got to be more. I'm holding my hat on more. If it doesn't come October 1st, though, I think we're done. Like, I don't think we're getting it before and after for sure. Right. So we'll see. This has been quite an interesting topic. I just like, I mean, you know, and Japan certainly has traditions that we may not be considering. Like, I don't, I won't profess to know, you know, the business and corporate structure that they have set up and how these types of things work. So I, we could be missing, flat out be missing something. But I'm just looking at it from a consumer perspective, from the outside world saying, man, I love this company and they're hitting 100 years. How can I, how can I celebrate that too? And I'm not getting to.

Myke Hurley: I understand that.

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Brad Dowdy: Lots of companies we've shouted out. Companies, please. People and friends we have shouted out are big fans of the Squarespace too, Myke. So I love seeing all the pen blogs. I did have some more shout outs this week that I asked for submissions last week. And Jake's Take on YouTube reached out. He said, hey, I feel kind of weird doing this, but you said I could do it. And I'm like, yeah, man, come on, Jake. Give me your take. So Jake's Take's on YouTube. He reviews Fountain Pens, other stationery. So we'll have the link to Jake's Take. And you can go follow him on YouTube. Please do. And then our friend Chad Doan, Myke, I saw this tweet the other day. The Doan paper idea journal, the big one, landed in a TV show. And he has a screenshot from the episode. It's a 10-part documentary, America to Me. It's on the Stars Network. I haven't seen it. I haven't heard of this show. But I see the teacher in the classroom with the large idea journal. And I'm thinking, how rad is that? I mean, that's just cool to see, isn't it?

Myke Hurley: Yeah, it's just like a nice thing, right? It's like, oh, look, I'm on TV. It's like, it's a great feeling.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, yeah. You think we'll see one of the seven lucky gods on that show anytime soon?

Myke Hurley: Probably not.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, I'm gonna go with no on that one.

Myke Hurley: Probably not.

Brad Dowdy: Never rule anything out. And then our good friends, which I got to shout out, Myke, Marco, and Tiffany Arment. Top four school supplies. Yes. So this is the most recent episode of the Top Four Podcast, which I'll tell you right now is my kid's favorite podcast, Myke.

Myke Hurley: Hey, that's cool.

Brad Dowdy: They want to hear all the episodes when they come out. They love it. It's their favorite show. And I figured we don't have to do our top four supplies, or we can, or we can do like a draft, which we've done before. But I don't know. Maybe we'll just say what we're... So here's the thing. Me and you went to high school, like in elementary school and middle school, the school supply premium years at much different times in the world's history.

Brad Dowdy: So there are many different products. So it may not, like a school supply draft probably wouldn't work for us. So let's just talk about maybe some of our favorite supplies. I knew what one of yours was going to be.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, so some of mine were actually covered on the episode, but I've done some thinking today about some of the stuff that I like. So here's my top four. All right. Yikes pencils. Spoken about those a bunch there. These crazy pencils with these wild colors and mental erasers. They were really, really awesome. Then, I don't know if... I really struggled to find out information about these today. But it's what I am calling pencil cases with secret compartments. And I think that they are referred to as Flowmo pencil cases. And I've got like an Etsy link here. I'll find some other links. I found some better links earlier today. And I seem to have posted a weird one in the chat. So these were these pencil cases that had buttons on them. And you could press the buttons. And they would open up these little secret compartments and drawers.

Brad Dowdy: Okay. So I have never seen this before. And I'm flipping through one of the pictures. And on the backside of the case, there are buttons that say one, two, three, four. Are those the buttons you're talking about? So you hit one and a certain part of the case opens?

Myke Hurley: Yeah. So like a little drawer might pop out of the side. I have never seen this before. These feel like they were very much a thing of the 90s. And then they stopped. And like there's stuff you can buy that's like this now. But not so much. These are rad. They were so awesome. Because you had all these little hidden compartments. You could put some in.

Brad Dowdy: They had to break constantly too, right? That's probably a pretty good market for kids.

Myke Hurley: They were very temperamental. B-roll, barrel, handwriting pens. These were like the thing in school for me. This is like when you went up from writing with pencil to writing with pen. These were the pens that we had in primary school. Everybody in the UK knows what these things are. They're made by Paper Mate. And they're these red pens. And they have like these plastic kind of plasticky feeling nibs. And then it's like a washable ink. Really great. Like they're just fun to use. And they're like very much a thing. And then my last item is Fun Facts by Filofax. I have a post here from all things stationary, right? Because having also been in... I think me and Tessa are around the same kind of age. And being in the UK, if you were a stationary nerd, you 100% had Fun Facts. And what I love is that Tessa also puts a picture of the Spy File Fun Facts, which was my favorite Fun Facts. They were like... So the Filofax system, right? Is an organized date system. But the Fun Facts was a kid's version where they had like all of these little inserts that you could buy that were about wildly different things. So like for example, in the Lincoln or Thing Stationery, there is an insert for face painting and a beginner's guide to fishing. They had everything. And you would just take them out and they were little things. They had like little books you could read and exercises you could take. And then the Spy File had a bunch of like things to be a spy, right? Like how to be a spy. They were awesome. And because I was such a nerd, I took my Fun Facts to school with me because I was a big, big nerd.

Brad Dowdy: Your products are way more fun than mine ever were. Like I remember, I didn't put this on my list, but like the most fun product I ever had was when every year I go back to school, the National Football League pencils came out. So you got a pack of the team pencils and, you know, one of each team in the league. And, you know, you always picked out your favorites and, you know, chucked the rest or did whatever. Like that was fun for me back in the day. But the products I remember using the most and the first one on my list is just, I can't imagine what their market is now for this, but liquid paper. Liquid paper was such a big thing when I was in school because you could do so many things with it that were not school related, right? This is how like you marked on things. You made artwork with it. You'd put different layers down and color them. You'd sniff them. Liquid paper was like gold. It was a gold mine back when I was in school. And let's just set the record here. And I hate to say this, but I graduated high school in 1989. So this was a long time ago. And I remember like when the liquid paper pens came out, that was like when I was in college. And those were like, oh, awesome. But like no one, my kids wouldn't know what liquid paper is now, right? Because they don't have to like overwrite anything. They don't have to turn in a handwritten paper that has to be spelled correctly, right? They're, you know, can just backspace on the keyboard and, you know, fix that. So liquid paper was like a mandatory school supply when I was in school to correct all your writing.

Myke Hurley: And it's called TipX. Yeah.

Brad Dowdy: TipX. Yeah. It's not something you see now at all. I mean, the brand's still around, but, and I'm sure they're into the tapes now. And if you ever even need that, but it's just not a market for a liquid paper anymore. No one needs to correct anything. Tiff definitely had one of mine, but mine was a different level. Hers was a different level of awesomeness. I should say mine was basic. The Trapper Keeper came out when I was in, in school. And I remember the very first versions, it was just a red, green, and blue. And then they just had like a white racing stripe, like around the cover. Those were the ones that I had. I think I had a green one first, something like that. I don't know that's sticking in my head. But what was fascinating about those, it was an all plastic build. So it wasn't like the greatest build. So like the three ring binder part of it was these plastic things that you had this little slider mechanism to use, but it would have like a built-in pencil case and you could put all your folders and papers in there and it'd fold over the top with like a Velcro. It's like a little, like you're a little professional man walking around with your little folio, you know, thing walking around to, to your different classes. And, you know, you were super cool that way.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. I think that the fun facts is very similar in what it was made for as the Trapper Keeper. Right. Because it was about this thing. It's like makes you feel like an adult. Right. Right. And they seem to both have that, that kind of aspect to them. And that's what kids want the most. Yeah.

Brad Dowdy: Right. So what are my parents using? I'm going to look, I'm going to do those things too. And, you know, the Trapper Keeper continued on and to be, to come really, really huge. Like later, like Tiff was talking about, you know, all her Lisa Frank designs. Those are like the most, the most famous ones at the time, like late nineties ish. So, but I remember when they first came out, that was such a big deal to have one because they weren't cheap either. Like this stuff's expensive. Like at the time when, you know, you're having to buy all these school supplies, like, wow, that was probably like 10 bucks or something like that, which was outrageous. The pen I use the most is actually still made today. A little different style, but it's called the Pilot Better Ballpoint. It's a terrible name because it's not that good of a pen. Like I don't really think it's better than most ballpoints, especially today. But back in the eighties, this was the finest tip ballpoint I could use. And everything I ever wrote or used as far as a writing instrument, all focused on how small I could write. So the Pilot Better Ballpoint was the one I used. The link, I actually were, I reviewed the retractable model on the pen addict back in 2011. But the model I used back in school was a capped version and had this kind of shaped cap, looked like a little, you know, half pipe looking thing. It was very, very tricky. But they had clear barrels and they had a couple of different colors besides blue and black. I remember green, red and purple. And you could write really fine and really small with them. And most importantly, back then is they were still a good spitball barrel for, you know, class shenanigans. I don't know if kids are still into spitballs these days because they're not using as many pens as we used to. But, you know, that one always competed very well in Spitball Wars. It worked out just fine. The last one and was the one product I had to have every year and I was very specific about it was the Mead five subject notebook. So I wanted, I didn't want five notebooks for five classes. I wanted one notebook for five classes. So this one was divided with folder separators in between, like separating into five sections. And it had to be college ruled. Like my small writing didn't look good on traditional ruled paper. So I had to have like the college ruling and it had to have the plastic cover of the Mead, you know, like the five star Mead with the plastic covers because they were cooler and more durable. And then I had to have the folder pockets in between each section and then all my classes would go in there. And invariably the least, the class I hated the most would have like two pages of that section filled while the classes that I liked, I would have like the whole section filled and have extra paper. So there'd be some blank, some more blank sections than other by the end of the semester with those notebooks. So those are kind of the things I remember the most about my school days, mostly high school days. I don't remember too much about when I was even younger what those things were. So that was fun. It was fun to go back and listen to that.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. I enjoyed that episode a bunch.

Brad Dowdy: Like I totally missed the calculator like fascination. Like I had, we had calculators like just at the, just at the time. And then you came kind of after that, right? Where you didn't need that anymore. Yeah.

Myke Hurley: We didn't do the graphing calculator thing.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So they were in, Marco and Tiff were like in the peak calculator era, you know, right when computers were getting popular, but not everyone had access to one.

Hashtag Discussion

Myke Hurley: All right. Should we do some hashtag us TPA to round out today's episode?

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And this first one is pertinent to the topic we talked about before. Alex Kramer blogs. Can't recall if we have ever done a draft episode and we have Alex and we need to do more of them. We said we'd do more of them at the time. This is how about a draft for inks or pens or field notes, additions or failed stationary kickstarters. I love all of those. We did an office supply draft in episode 291, which was fantastically fun. I loved it. I love doing drafts. You do drafts with Jason Snell on upgrade all the time. We talked about the impetus for the draft podcast. Both Jason and I were on friends in your ears. A couple of weeks ago, we talked about one of our favorite podcasts, which is called the pause cast, which is where we got our office office supply draft from. Yes. And they continually do drafts. So that's a fun thing we should do more of. I especially love the failed stationary kickstarters one because we will fight over who gets to pick what. We'll be disappointed when someone steals, you know, certain certain kickstarters. So we'll have to do that one of these days. I really love that one.

Brad Dowdy: All right. 24 hours, 100 miles has two questions. Is there a gel refill that is similar to Jay Herbal stormy gray? This is such a good question. I don't think there's a gray gel ink refill. Other than like the zebra makes one in the zebra seracic clip. I'm not sure if the Sino DX has a gray. So there's a few grays floating around. The best one I've ever used are the zebra seracic clip ones. I think might even be called graphite. I don't know if it's as dark as you need for stormy gray. And I don't know what other gray ones there are. But if you go to somewhere like JetPens, you can sort by color. And you can find a few more gray gel ink options. The kicker is, I don't know if you're looking for a refill to fit a certain pen. Then you might be in a little bit of trouble. But like the zebra fits some of the Pilot G2 barrels and things like that. So poke around there. The best one I've used is the zebra. And I think I've reviewed it on the blog. We'll have to put a link in the show notes for that. And I think it was called graphite, but I'm not sure. The second part is, have you ever tried or thoughts on pocket organizers like the Levenger Pocket Briefcase. Now, this is the index card holder, I believe, right? I meant to check this before, but it's a little four corner index holder. Yeah. And absolutely, I have checked that because I make index cards at a company called Nock. And we make a product that's currently out of stock called the Fodder Stack. That is our take on a Levenger Pocket Briefcase. Like I'd never call it that. I think that's actually a terrible name for what the product actually is. Although I don't know what you'd call it. I prefer Fodder Stack. But just a small, thin index card holder that holds like a single pen. Or like in Levenger's case, not even a pen on some of them. But it's a really good product. It's a product I've used years before I was making my own index cards and cases to put them in. I think it's a great product. And I still see them. People still use them a lot because I will see them at pen shows that our customers at Nock, who are our index card customers, buy them to fit into their Levenger Pocket Briefcases. So it's still a very good product. All right, Myke, you take this one. This is you all over it.

Myke Hurley: All right. So Trudeau asks, what are some things to keep in mind when going for a reward pen? Like a new job. Congratulations, Trudeau. I'm going to give myself a pretty wide budget, but only for the right pen.

Myke Hurley: I think my thing on this one is to try and buy something that stands out in a way that is different to the type of pens you typically buy. So then you can look back on that pen and it is immediately obvious to you that it was a special. It was for a special occasion.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. I think the thing that I prioritize on top of that is, and I think you're saying this, it kind of goes without saying, but you got to use it, right? This is a pen to be used.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you use it in the, you know, like if you've got, especially if you've got a new job, you use it in the new job, right?

Brad Dowdy: Right. So I always fall back to my Nakaya purchase, my first one, and I knew that I didn't buy it for a special occasion. My special occasion was that I've committed to buying a Nakaya because it took me like two years of research to do it. And it was very expensive and I had to mentally commit to using that pen. And I do, and it's been the best pen I've ever purchased without question, really. My favorite pen and the most meaningful pen because of the process that went into it and the reasons I bought it. Just like you're buying something for a reward, you know, to celebrate a marriage or a child or a new job or an event of some kind. Like Myke says, you know, make sure it's going to have those memories that tie back to that event because you're going to be using it all the time and remembering those things, right? It's all kind of tied in together.

Music Paper Topic

Myke Hurley: All right. Next question comes from Eva underscore supposing. Any recommendations for music paper? Preferences spiral bound, maybe A4-ish size and no more than 10 staves on a page. Otherwise, it gets too small to read easily. It doesn't have to be a great paper asking for a regular person, not a pen addict.

Brad Dowdy: I like that caveat at the end. So I threw this out there. I didn't have a perfect answer right off the bat because I'm not a musician and I don't really know the requirements other than the size of paper that he's talking about. So I threw it out there on Twitter and Karen replied with a brand called Passatino. It says Passatino is what I'm currently using. Number 74 is the one with 10 staves. So that sounds like a good fit. And then Benny replied with the Clairefontaine 31014C. I know neither of these papers, but I know Clairefontaine makes good paper. And those were our recommendations from the Twitterverse, the musician followers on Twitter. So hopefully that works for your friend, your non-pin, for your regular person. That just cracks me up so much.

Brad Dowdy: All right. So what's next? Next, capital Y1 York, my buddy. So I've been getting back into liquid ink pens, which are horrible on Tomoe River paper. Best compromised paper for fountain and rollerball. It's Rodia to me. It's Rodia and all the Japanese brands because I use the Schmidt refill all the time on those papers. It actually dries a little bit quicker on Life, Mormon, Kukuyo, Apica, all of those brands. And they're fantastic for rollerball. If you want them to dry a little bit faster, you look at Leuchterm and the paper we use at Nock. They are very similar where they're going to be good with most fountain pens. Like the heaviest, inkiest fountain pens might bleed and feather a little bit. But most standard fountain pens are going to work and they're going to dry quicker. But on Life and Morimon and Rodia, you'll get a little bit more shading with your fountain pens and still be able to use your rollerballs. Although they will take a little bit longer to dry than something like Leuchterm or Nock. So those are the ones. I'd be hesitant. I'd be remiss, Myke, if I didn't mention the panel book. You know we love that thing. Yep. So that's similar to Leuchterm and Nock as far as paper goes. So faster dry time, less shading and sheen. But, you know, that's always the trade-off. You know, if the ink is drying faster, it's going to show off less of its properties. But with a rollerball, it doesn't really matter. So it's really good. All right. Last one. Quack. I'm a duck. So my friend Lindsey on Twitter, who has a wonderful blog called Ducks Doodles, says, I have a non-pen and ink one if there's still room for questions. If you could put together a three-band bill for a concert, which acts would you choose, live or dead? This is the impossible question, right? At least for me. So I'm going to give this a shot. Are you going to play this game too, Myke?

Myke Hurley: Sure. Why not?

Brad Dowdy: So the issue is it's a three-band bill. So there's a hierarchy if you have a three-band bill. You have to have an opener, a middle act, and then the closing act. Oh, fuck. So see why this is not an easy question, even remotely an easy question for me, except the closer. The ending act is Joy Division. I never got to see Joy Division in person. And I'm also leaning to acts that I've never seen in my three-band bill. Like, you know, I've seen PJ Harvey. It's probably the best concert I've ever been to, like 20-some-odd years ago. You know, I've seen the Wedding President concert. You know, they're one of my favorite bands ever. But my three-band bill contains acts I've never seen. So the opener would be Neutral Milk Hotel, which is one of the greatest short-run bands to ever exist. They released two full albums, and that was it. And they're more popular today, maybe, than they've ever been when they were around in the late 90s, early 2000s. And I never got to see them play. My middle act would be The Magnetic Fields, because I have a man crush on Stephen Merritt. He's one of the best singer-songwriters around. I love his voice. I love his lyrics. And I've never seen The Magnetic Fields. That's actually still a possibility, because they are still around. And then Joy Division would close out the show. That's the no-brainer for me. So that's my bill for the Brad Dowdy concert session. So what do you have?

Myke Hurley: All right. So I'm going for a same vein of bands I've never seen, but I'm taking it to another step, and I'm making it bands I could never see. Right? That's good. That's good. Because yours is like, that's an interesting lineup, but you could rectify some of those. Yes. Yes.

Brad Dowdy: Mutual Milk Hotel actually did a, well, the lead singer did like a return tour like two years ago. I couldn't get to that either. So yeah.

Myke Hurley: And I've also got a slightly peculiar selection here. So we're going to open, we're going to set the scene of the day, we're going to bring everyone in, you know, get everyone having a good time with Frank Sinatra.

Brad Dowdy: Nice. I like that. See? I think that's fantastic.

Myke Hurley: I love it. Because who's not going to have a good time? Right? I would totally go to that concert. Right? We're followed up by the Beatles. Mm-hmm. Because, come on. Right? Right. Probably the greatest band of all time. Probably. Right. Widely accepted as such. And then, you know, it's like, how do you follow maybe the greatest band of all time? Right? Because logically, if you go in on that, then you would have Beatles finish. But Beatles aren't a closer in that regard. You want, like, a big, explosive ending. Queen. Yes. Queen will close it. Queen will close that show. Right? Yep. Frank Sinatra, Beatles, and Queen. What a great day out of that.

Brad Dowdy: That would be amazing.

Myke Hurley: I wonder if they have all been on the same bill. Probably not, right? I bet Queen and Beatles have been on the same bill. Maybe.

Brad Dowdy: But could you imagine the crush at, like, a concert with that level? Two bands of that level? Would be amazing. That's pretty cool.

Myke Hurley: There must have been, like, at least a charity concert. Like, a live aid. Maybe. Right? Maybe. Yeah. I could see that. But the Beatles would have been broken up by then, so maybe not.

Brad Dowdy: That stuff didn't start happening until, like, the 80s. Yeah.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. Hmm.

Brad Dowdy: That's awesome. That's a great... That's a good question. I like that question. That's a great question.

Myke Hurley: I'd spend some time thinking about that one.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Love it. Great job by you. All right. Thanks for everything today, guys. It was quite a show.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. Most definitely. And you can find our show notes today over at relay.fm slash penaddict slash 325. Thanks to Penn Chalet and Squarespace for their support of this episode. You can find Brad in a selection of places. Twitch.tv slash penaddict. You go to penaddict.com. He's at Dowdyism on Twitter. Penaddict on Instagram. I am imike. I-M-Y-K-E in social places. And this show is a part of the Relay FM network. You can find this show and many more at relay.fm slash shows. And we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye, Brad. Goodbye, Brad.