The Pen Addict 293/transcript

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Myke: Really offend this is the pen addict episode two hundred and ninety three today show is brought to you by pension LA and blew a print my name is Michael and I'm joined by Brad Downey.
Brad: Hello my curly how are you.
Myke: I am very well.
Myke: Good.
Brad: Happy thirty eighth birthday.
Myke: Doesn't do it thank you. Thank you.
Brad: Your old man welcome to old man town.
Myke: I'm well I mean now I'm the youngest in the thirties category rather than the oldest in the twenties category so actually it's an improvement.
Brad: It's a way better category I'll just tell you that in advance.
Myke: Yeah I feel good I feel like I've got my life where I wanted to be able to Thomas say is old so I'm feeling good.

Bellroy Work Folio

Brad: Well I don't know if you got a birthday present for yourself but did you consider the bell war bell Roy work folio a five Mike.
Myke: I've been side eyeing it aside I loved our products you know we do another that bell right is kind of when I it's the way that I live my life a lot of time but I'm. I saw this review I knew that you had this product because you mentioned it weeks ago and I have been keepin keep in the pan addicts dot com all panic dot com is the panic don't come to write you got that didn't you. The guy.
Brad: Is and I I keep that up yes.
Myke: Okay good news us so I've been keeping my eye there and you finally put your view up.
Myke: And I don't want anymore.
Brad: It.
Myke: Is how I feel.
Myke: It doesn't look back.
Myke: It just doesn't look very good.
Brad: It looks amazing.
Myke: No I mean like that functionality wives.
Brad: Yeah right like functionality looks Soria.
Myke: Like cool well right products do which is just wonderful I'd be use and bell right wallets for a couple years now I love that wallet.
Myke: But this just doesn't XO like looking at something like this and looking at the the the the available functionality right from the bell right what folio a five.
Myke: I would get one of those mug mods things instead honestly right like if that was what I what I was looking for I would probably end up just getting one of those because they're way more customizable least.
Brad: Yeah yes so.
Brad: This was a difficult review to write because there's two very distinct parts of it at least in my head and whether that came out on the page I don't know but there's a.
Myke: Beauty.
Brad: In the design and the quality. That bell right puts and all other things right that's why we like them right because they're really good at what they do.
Brad: Their quality is elite their designs are very functional. For the most part I think they failed a little better the design element here.
Brad: And it revolves around the very specific use. Of the eighty five notebook to.
Brad: Until this fully around. So what this folio is designed to do is to carry you go on bell right they do some great videos.
Brad: You go on their site a you know. So you had a load up all the pockets and you know have the little video on how to you know how they recommend a fill it out the problem is it's just not functional to get all the things into the folio that they.
Brad: Think you can. Justin work well that way it's not to say that you can't do it.
Brad: It's just to say that you're probably not gonna be happy with the end result by the time you jam all these things in there so let's start with the most important thing for us which is the notebook.
Brad: Traditional a five like exact a five measured notebooks. Fit.
Brad: You know with the hard cover summit let me rewind that a little bit they send with. This folio. In a five notebook but it's a soft bound soft cover thin like fifty page sixty page notebook and more circle back around to the notebook later.
Brad: But. They didn't design this in my opinion around what most of us Penn addicts would consider a standard A. five notebook I don't I think a hope that that is the hard now to.
Myke: A fat thing to say like.
Myke: Everybody uses mosque in.
Myke: Right like right they all the most popular a five notebook in the world so.
Myke: I'd like saying like as much as well I spent excuse like this is just what he truly is.
Brad: So okay so. I got you so. When I say or when you say open anyone reads a five they're not thinking about the type of notebook that they included right out.
Myke: Not a paper right then notebook like people I think bring all of the hard bound notebook with about like two hundred pages in it whatever we have you buy that from rodia or late term almost game like that the notebook right like that is the work notebook.
Brad: Right so this tells me that they didn't consider that because their products specification say fits a five five by eight by eight point three inch notebook such as Fabriano most scheme and Rhodia most king is not a five more skin is very much not a five my most king does not fit in this case period.
Myke: Holy moly okay so what they sent that they all.
Brad: They can.
Myke: Can I hear the K. here right the a five paper thin is what that the paper standing about.
Brad: A foot.
Brad: Got a baby.
Myke: Boy that I mean this man I don't I don't know about this I don't I just feel like the looks like a very nice product but it is intended use case.
Myke: It cannot make.
Brad: So what this fits is.
Brad: A five ishe.
Brad: No books which that's not a thing but that's what is a common notebook size so like the barren fig confidante is narrower but not necessarily taller.
Brad: The story supply exposition is narrower but not tolerate taller so the wit not the height of the notebook.
Brad: A lot of companies make a narrower.
Brad: No book that one fits.
Brad: With the pen loop so I I complained a lot about how if you want to use one of these hard bound books you can have a hard time using the pen loop in the folio itself.
Brad: You gotta have a shorter than a five dimension in the with the narrowness of the cover of the book to be able to one fit.
Brad: A hardbound a five in number to use the pen loop in conjunction with that so I'm.
Brad: They had to have fallen short in their design process thinking that people are only going to use this thin soft notebook because if you use the fence off notebook that they provide you can fit all the stuff they jam in there.
Brad: But that's not the reality of a five world right.
Myke: No it's not all I mean like.
Myke: Dates fine too like technically.
Myke: Be correct.
Myke: Well I I think that the realistic.
Myke: Do not bear out let's just.
Myke: Rewind this a million steps let's just look at this product as it is intended to be used then right so we have looked at it and been like we don't think it works because of a B. and C. but let's let's look at it with the intended use of a paper.
Myke: A cover thin notebook jelly like let's look at.
Brad: It's fantastic.
Brad: It's absolutely fantasia re thing you want from a bell Roy product the left side of the organization.
Brad: You know the right side is the notebook slot the left side is your organization it's got four different slots two slots that our business card slash credit card slots there in this little fold back up piece that's very nice and then to.
Brad: I kind of stretch pockets one designed for a phone which that's a little bit and that's a little bit if especially if you have a phone case on whether going to get there but it stretches you could probably fit something and then like a pocket notebook maybe.
Brad: The internal organization is great except the front.
Brad: Left exterior like the little triangular pocket like where you would just slide likely sheets of paper and that's kind of not super useful.
Myke: But behind.
Brad: The thin notebook is where you're here tablet should go and all of that's going to work fine if you use the thin.
Brad: Cover notebook and I the thin covered then cover a five notebooks are a thing like that's a favorite thing of mine.
Brad: To use that style of soft.
Brad: Skinny a five notebooks but that's not what the world thinks of an A. five notebook is in my opinion.
Brad: So if you use it exactly as it is find a good a five notebook we sell when it knocked that's the one I.
Brad: Life makes a really good one a bunch of the Japanese makers make really good a five soft bound notebooks that's what you have to use a free to use this case if you wanna use your hardbound notebook you can use that to but you're not gonna be able to fit all the other stuff into it.
Myke: Basically at that point you just have a nice leather cover for your notebook as opposed to what this product is actually intended to be for which is like a system an organizational system for field work goods.
Brad: One hundred percent correct.
Myke: So like it it is less less that say like kind of the poor alignment that is like this is a good really good product when used as intended if you try and use it as it is clearly not intended you know gonna have so much fun with it but I do want to just touch on the notebook again that they actually ship with this.
Brad: Because.
Myke: That was one of the most eye opening parts of the review.
Brad: I've never seen anything like this in all the notebooks I've ever reviewed in my entire life I've never seen a notebook this bad.
Myke: Idea.
Brad: Do I need to elaborate.
Myke: I would like to know why I wanted just to confirm that we know high in hyperbole town.
Brad: We're not in the the issue is that it's such a smite newt part.
Brad: Of this review that it's almost not worth speaking of like I took three or four more pictures of all the flaws in the notebook but I was gonna put that in there an overload the article with what I've referred to is this is like complaining about the paracord on your zipper in on your two hundred dollar backpack right.
Brad: It's not equally as relevant to the product that you paid for.
Brad: But I've never physically seen a notebook as bad as poorly made as this one.
Brad: It's literal trash.
Brad: Not hyperbole but like similar the book away.
Myke: One of the problems one of the problem.
Brad: Well it set me off right when the front page has that tear in it's not even a tear it's like a.
Myke: Level.
Brad: Like a fitness of the sheet has been sheared off right there's not a whole there's not a rip there's not a tear.
Brad: That's actually I can get by okay there some kind of flaw with this.
Brad: And that's fine if that was the only issue.
Brad: The second issue is the papers cut so crooked that the lines throughout the entire notebook funnel towards the middle of the notebook.
Myke: Somewhere.
Brad: So it's a lines notebook except the lines are not you know parallel they're not straight they all funnel from. Well on the left side of page left to right and the right side the page right to left they'll funnel towards the staple.
Brad: Third thing is that around the page I don't even know how to describe this because I've never seen it but everyone's probably had a sheet of paper.
Brad: That Dave stepped on or drop something on so like around the edge of the paper gets raised.
Brad: It's like that throughout the entire notebook.
Brad: And not even like right it's like worse on some pages better on some pages it's like someone went through it's like this whole thing got smashed but not externally.
Brad: Like it's not like someone dropped it on the corner the corner spent right that's not how it smashed up it's messed up from the insides.
Brad: Where the papers like recessed.
Brad: Against the edge.
Brad: It's hard to explain but it's it's a it's a bad book.
Brad: It's okay I guess it's like it was cut.
Brad: It was like it was the edges were cut with a hammer and chisel instead of instead of or of a razor sharp.
Myke: Cut you expect all of the notebooks that they're shipping a like this.
Brad: No but I expect there some because this is too many mistakes to be a singular issue.
Myke: So one person might get one of my most Mike another but you go all of them.
Brad: The lines the lines would be by biggest concern that they're all crooked.
Myke: That is really where it doesn't.
Brad: It's literally like a funnel down to the middle of the page it's awful.
Myke: I don't get it.
Brad: So but like I said it's hard to come plane about a five dollar notebook as part of a two hundred dollar.
Brad: But Leo but it was sort of certain turn off right I would be unhappy especially since you pretty much have to use that size notebook if you're gonna use all the other parts of it right.
Myke: They even sell the notebook though.
Brad: I looked and I couldn't find it.
Myke: Right said like really.
Brad: In a way I was trained price for it.
Myke: Yet they are intending for you to not use that notebook in the long term.
Myke: Then.
Brad: Right like it even more of an odd choice.
Myke: Yet to to even include in the first place ought to not just like I don't know what to someone bundling because what it looks like they do in I guess it is white label in something I don't know right like that the vine up these books and put in the logo on the front the minutes to come in the same.
Brad: For instance nice everything else is not.
Myke: It's very strange is very strange but interested still talked a little about.
Brad: I didn't I didn't I don't necessarily like to do that unless there's if I could there something wrong with the.
Brad: Folio itself but I'm not can in this case I wouldn't be concerned about the notebook because I wasn't gonna even if the notebook was pristine I still wouldn't use it right I would use one of my things.
Myke: Yeah but it is just an English is in consideration he I think usually we which pulled out and throw it to the side but because it is so weird it warrants discussion what what is your overall feeling on this product like I feel like it's a little bit all over the place.
Brad: You better be really sure you're gonna get the use out of it that you think you're going to get out of it before buying it.
Myke: Okay.
Brad: So it's a and if you are if you if you think it's going to be absolutely perfect for your set up.
Myke: You're gonna love it.
Brad: Because it's made spectacularly.
Brad: It's a fan like.
Myke: Our apartment's run like it does yeah it's going to be a very well made love a good.
Brad: Yeah it's a perfectly made.
Brad: Beautiful product.
Brad: But it's not going to function for all of your uses so just be particular when you're shopping that it's going to to fit your use case and if it does you're gonna love it.
Brad: If not it's not going to come close to working there's no middle ground.

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Retro-51 Tornado: Speak Easy

Myke: I sort the right didn't we have a new selection of retro fifty one tornadoes Dale all focused around alcohol which is.
Myke: A pen that they have this this way of coming up with the seams every now and then or it's like we're gonna make the perfect pen to buy for people.
Myke: So there are like the the salt like great little gift options sometime in like some of the themes and this I think this is a this is a new addition to the standard lineup than not limited they're not numbered and never three pens there is a peer pills Anna which has a sculpted bottle cap top which looks wonderful it's a little bottle cap of fifty one even better than that there's a red wine which has eight Quoc top.
Myke: To the very end of let the little twist mechanism and then the absence which features a bright green demon on the barrel and antique silver accents these of really cool I haven't ordered any of these yet because they are standard edition like I'll pick one up append show right that we whichever one I like the most I I think I like the pills no pills no one most distant design but I think that the court could top of the the red wine will probably call semi as well these are fun is good like I think they could speakeasy that yes the line and then there is the the the pills in the the the red wine and the absinthe which lie within it.
Brad: Yes so I'm all about the absent one.
Myke: Now yeah.
Brad: Because of how it how it looks I'm actually anti tricky cap video.
Brad: Like I don't like.
Brad: I like the design like from a design perspective buying from one letter fifty one did to integrate cool designs into the pens like the bottle cap and the court I just don't own pens like that because I don't personally find them to be very cool for me so that's why I would go with it the absinthe one arm if I was picking one of three but I will probably buy none of these they just don't speak easy to me that well gone.
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Brad: Yeah exactly what I said.
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Myke: This is.
Brad: What rector fifty one does the best right this is what they're known for this is.
Brad: Absolutely.
Brad: Ten out of ten rector fifty one right it just is this is exactly what they are exactly what they do enda.
Brad: I'm glad I don't have to buy it find a lot of their pens recently but these will do extraordinarily well right I get there gonna be everywhere.
Myke: Says on sand like that they sometimes just hit on these ones that become great gift ideas.
Myke: Right like your uncle who's a wind guy you buy him the red wine one you know what I mean and and I got like a cool little pack like I know people like that the space pen like the space once right special ones daylight leaked out into other worlds sisal right because people always append it looks like special rights that they do this every now and then and really small way because they're very clever company and then a lot of time in a brilliant.

Baron Fig: Lock and Key

Myke: Talking about interesting additions seen the Baron fake looking key.
Brad: I did it's kind of.
Myke: Awesome France stated you a wonderful job with the sat.
Brad: Yes so.
Myke: I am all about.
Brad: The pen the squires always been one of those pens that's just really good.
Brad: And I'm glad to see a different material.
Brad: Finally.
Brad: In the product lineup opposed to as opposed to just the optimizations or a little bit little different logo change I think the only one I have now is the alphabet one which is probably the most different one that they've done besides you know the bright green experiment but it's you know just green paint and it did awesome but doing a brass pen I have not tried it or used it it looks really really cool.
Myke: It is twice the weight.
Brad: Yeah I mean.
Brad: Back that could be a thing you know body.
Brad: I mean are you getting at.
Myke: Really not because I don't like Boston's typically right I I I I I don't like the smell that process leaves and the white can sometimes be a bit tricky for me.
Brad: Yeah.
Myke: But I I think it it looks excellent I think Mandela.
Brad: Just.
Myke: A wonderful wonderful job with it.
Brad: Yeah I I'm not crazy.
Brad: About the notebook.
Brad: Like if I was buying the stuff I would get the pen and I would skip the notebook I think the notebook.
Brad: Exterior design.
Brad: Is a little Barnes and noble Lee.
Myke: To me.
Brad: Like I would find it on a.
Brad: Retail short store shelf with like the diaries and journals and leather wrapped.
Myke: I consider.
Brad: It but I mean technically the design is really good.
Myke: All I guess I do like it is far screen has like the Boston maze pattern on it and gold foil stamping on the inside and apparently there's like a puzzle that you can work out something with yes and there's a.
Brad: So yeah there's like a code in key so the set together is the way to go right gotta get the lock a in the key.
Brad: So I think the I think it came out great looks beautiful.
Myke: Yeah I I think that this is a very very good looking sat they pulled out and I think it's gonna.
Brad: It's definitely going to be one of their.
Brad: Bigger sellers.
Brad: In in recent memory I think certainly it's going to be sold out pretty quick I would imagine.
Myke: Man I didn't see this school set even dismiss me I'm I'm looking at his website know yet.
Brad: That's that's the the pencils sled dog Tyler uses for school.
Myke: That but why did they make a job composition notebook basically.
Brad: Right the cover of them is in the composition style this came out great.
Brad: So I think the last last set I got of pencils was that said I think.
Myke: Survey they killed off the subscriptions right.
Brad: Right so they're just doing regular like say a quarterly release but it's not on a subscription is just.
Myke: Kind of.
Brad: Stacked staggered release since.
Myke: It's kind of interesting to me that the products of gotten better since I stopped that.
Brad: Well yeah I would hope so.
Myke: Based it's interesting right that like they stopped doing that and it looks like that that just using that best ideas now I would expect which I think is great I think this is been we we were quite critical of it at the time but like these new releases have been a great return to form for them.
Myke: And that's.
Brad: Why I use that's why you stopped the subscription services because you are so hand.
Brad: On typing.
Myke: That.
Brad: You may not be able to do your best work so I think it was a good decision to kill the subscription and do your best work and not have to be penned into a time line because things always go wrong.
Myke: Yeah and I think especially if you're trying to do the amount they were trying to do right it was like zero to a hundred miles an hour.
Myke: Because it was like no subscription services to fall right into it at the time we were skeptical of it I probably did of extended themselves.
Myke: But I'll tip my hat to them I think that that that these new products are.
Myke: The most exciting that they've done and so I think that this is amber I'm ready I'm genuinely very pleased to see that they have some excellent ideas up their sleeve because I I expect that it's going to turn into some great success for them which I'm I'm have a totally.
Brad: Totally agree totally agree.

Karas Kustoms Decograph: Sleeping Beauty

Myke: And that you put in a link to a new cars customs time which is very eye catching.
Brad: Yes so looking at the title I was like why are they making a pen called Sleeping Beauty.
Myke: Intel iris because.
Brad: As like I had to go read around to dig around I was like oh it's actually a brilliant idea mother calling it Sleeping Beauty it's based on this big turquoise mine in Arizona in the pen is this turquoise swirl pattern and it's just fantastic.
Brad: You know it's the decker grass still getting out there in its original form a kind of a base.
Brad: Base stock decker graph if you will than they do some limited edition ones I think this one's a bit like a hundred.
Brad: Hundred unit something like that I have to look on the product page I think people are still trying to decide what they think about the tech graph like there's no question that it's beautiful and there's no question that it's well made.
Brad: And I have one and I've been using it and I really enjoy it people are just trying to decide do I spin the price that they're asking.
Myke: That once and I think it's five right.
Brad: Yeah and I think it's completely a fair price okay like I am I'm totally good with the price for the quality and craftsmanship and you know it's not a mass produced pen right I mean these things cost X. amount of dollars to make that's why frankly Christos pen start at a certain price point that's why Edison pen and just raise their base price from one thirty to one sixty it just costs small manufacturers a decent amount of money to make these products and.
Brad: Stay in business right.
Brad: So they have to choose a price point.
Brad: And carrots customs I think you know I I think they kind of hit on all cylinders my only question with the pen is the kind of the hand feel if you will it's light.
Brad: So if you don't like a light pen there's nothing none of the metal all the metal parts or aluminum so it stays light.
Brad: Which is okay like I enjoy writing with it but I think there's a little bit hesitancy trying to figure out.
Brad: Still trying to figure out the decker graphs so there get it out there more you know they're getting a lot of models in people's hands you know we reviewed one on the blog Sarah loved it they sent me one in Penn attic colors I really really like it.
Brad: It's just right there with you have a lot of choice in that price range right that.
Brad: Hundred fifty dollars give or take about thirty Bucks is where there's a billion different things to choose from so you just have to decide.
Brad: You know how that is for you in what they're doing with the materials is really cool I think they're really pretty.
Myke: Yes I think that's kind of slipped on these little bit I don't know why they haven't hit me but I think I need to change that.
Brad: I think you would like this pen but I think you are.
Myke: Very right I think I would.
Myke: So what I'm going to pick a design because they got they've also got a green one.
Brad: Yes.
Myke: 1703
Myke: When she looks very very good too so yet these are very these of this is it I like I really like the look of this pen just like everything about it not just the design like of the the material I mean nine and to start the colors.
Myke: Alright the furnishing looks really good to.
Brad: Yes I'm gonna I'm kind of in wait and see.
Brad: Mode on what else they do with the brand like maybe I'll pick one up at a pen show when I see them next time at a pen show see what other colors and specifics they have you know I you know I'd love to see.
Brad: Some.
Brad: Not necessarily different beryl colors but can they do something with the aluminum men's are they gonna do something with other metals or other finishings yeah that kind of thing I'll be interested to see so I love the one that I have that they.
Myke: Gave to me.
Brad: And I will probably buy another one eventually I just haven't seen that one yet I mean the sleeping beauties beautiful but it's just that's not the one that's coming the public trigger and now it's fantastic looking.

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Wancher Kickstarter

Myke: All right brand we gonna talk about a new kicks on the campaign.
Myke: For what is called the one China dream pan which is a lofty bald name.
Myke: Mobile in commission announced to the case of the campaign it's running now it's come Runnin for just about week.
Myke: We ought to it's worth noting at this point because we're talking about Kickstarter campaign we have to recall this episode a little bit early so just before the campaign launched so we don't know whether it succeeded on all.
Myke: I'm just going to naturally assume because of the hype around this that it has met its funding goal by this point honestly.
Brad: Yeah.
Myke: But but I have a bunch of questions first which would.
Myke: I guess because since that many other people might have which made quick may put a question mark around the whole thing right like this is an interesting project with some things that kind of new to it in a way.
Myke: But but I'm just going to expect that it's even met its goal or is very close to doing so.
Brad: Yep.
Myke: Who all want to.
Brad: That's a very good question like.
Brad: And I don't know all the details they've been around in the Asian markets for years I wanna say.
Brad: Fifteen twenty years I actually tried to find a specific date.
Brad: I could find was like early two thousands I don't have anything to find there's nothing on there about page it says exactly when it says when their founder fell in love with fountain pens which was nineteen ninety two.
Brad: But it doesn't say when the actual business started but I believe it was the early two thousand so they've been around for what say you know a decade or more and I do the mostly from shopping around on Japanese websites as a watch maker in a pen storage maker so everything I'd ever seen with the watcher name on it was not a pen it didn't mean they did make pens but where I was looking at online I was seeing watches and I seeing storage like you big box storage like for your desk you know like the oak boxes what the glass windows you know two or three drawer type of stuff or leather pen cases in sizes from like one or two or three pans up to like twelve thirteen pens.
Brad: So that was my familiarity with them.
Brad: And then last year they started to branch out independence more or maybe I just became more wearable because they were emailing me directly directly saying Hey we have this Pat Hey we have this pen.
Brad: Do you want to look at him and I was of course happy to look at him and we've reviewed.
Brad: Their crystal fountain pen I believe it's called on the panic Susan did that review and you know that passed through my hands it was very nice pen felt great look great you know see Mike was a good price point Tom and Susan reviewed review was generally positive.
Brad: And then.
Myke: Two months ago maybe.
Brad: They first reach out saying Hey we're going to do a new project coming soon it's gonna be an ebonite rishi penthouse like I'm very interested.
Brad: So fast forward a month after that which is about a month ago.
Brad: They started shipping out pens to a bunch of reviewers.
Brad: For this new what.
Myke: I.
Brad: Guess is going to be called the dream pen like that's what the Kickstarter project says but a very interesting thing they did when they sent me the email saying my pen was coming being cleared of video and they called it something else in the in the video of something.
Brad: Gosh I should write it down right it's something right now so I don't know if they're going to change the name of this but their video used actually a different name photos from their founder they did a cool thing where they did about a two minute intro that was directly for me they talked about me like thank me directly and thanking me for the other review about the crystal pendant the pen cases and things like that.
Brad: I meant before they edited in like the the bulk of the the features on this new Penn for the Kickstarter.
Brad: So I got the pen.
Brad: And.
Brad: It's really nice like like I did know what to expect right.
Myke: I don't have.
Brad: Many ebonite a rishi pens other than my neck tie as and the one Jonathan Brooks made us write so I don't have a huge amount of experience I guess I do have a date a trio that's also ebonite code in reaching.
Brad: So seeing what I won't call them like a start up type of pen company but this is a new.
Brad: Product line for them where they've just made you know other more basic pens this is a more complex artistic.
Brad: And.
Myke: If you will.
Brad: It was interesting to see how nice this pen was which we'll we'll talk about more as we go through this.
Brad: But.
Brad: Yeah I don't know what to say about the company other than my working with them over the past six.
Myke: Months maybe.
Brad: Just kind of getting feedback from them checking out some of their products I've been somewhat impressed not blown away by their stuff you know it's good not great.
Brad: A certain quality but just in the style that fits me what this pen.
Brad: Is definitely a style that fits me so I I I.
Myke: I definitely want to.
Brad: Hear what you have to say about seeing this pen.
Myke: You have one right.
Brad: I have one right here in my hand so I have the.
Brad: Aka time and worry finish.
Brad: Which is the red kind of the two tone red one not the solid red when the kind of the dark Burgundy red.
Myke: Said there are three models you had the middle model their true at the night true rishi and true mackay right and you have the rushing.
Brad: So I have out at the exact name here I have true rishi in Tom and ori.
Myke: Okay my fantasy you have one of the the the finishes of the review which is like the middle ground pen like middle what the offerings that they have.
Brad: I would say I would honestly say this is the main line offering so it's middle initial ripping up the project right so it's the ebonite is the entry level.
Brad: The Arusha E. Ellis they spiral out I'll.
Myke: Talking about the original of the materials right if that's what they actually think you should be buying but they offer a cheaper and in case you just want to get in with it was like the most of the Ballarat because like everything's made about the night but it's not hasn't got the incredible finish to it but they all right because they're making those anyway before they put the Russians want to sell some of the people that are a little bit more budget conscious I guess.
Brad: Yes and then they have been they have the blowout budget but the machi.
Myke: Yeah.
Brad: Artwork on the pants which are very very expensive.
Myke: So.
Myke: I came to this.
Myke: Not remembering the existence of this company so like I have seen the posts on the Benedict but that brand name has not stuck with me.
Myke: Right.
Myke: Especially like the last time we spoke about one to it was under a shroud of question marks.
Myke: Because we're talking about that pen case right unlike was is designed in a tank has come from and what kind of stuff.
Myke: So I'm looking at this page and it is like.
Brad: Incredibly.
Myke: Detailed.
Myke: Incredibly complex.
Myke: And is offering.
Myke: The world.
Myke: We have like.
Brad: This.
Myke: Artistic.
Myke: Temperament and background of making things better.
Myke: And.
Myke: Only one thing jumped into my mind.
Myke: All we envision at.
Brad: Like.
Myke: Territory here.
Myke: That was this is like the thing that it reminded me of because that's what the vision as campaign was all about.
Brad: Write stuff like this.
Myke: And this is this this is a very grandiose campaign for a company that seems to not actually do this right now.
Myke: Well.
Brad: I I don't think that's fair to even mention that I think this is coming from.
Myke: Look but listen this is because as a coming from someone who doesn't know them right I said I'm just talking about like this is like.
Brad: For for.
Myke: From zero to nothing like his zero to one type scenario we've got hit rates like here's a company you've never heard of who alike.
Myke: Claiming that they can make the dream Penn.
Brad: Doing that yes doing the number one.
Brad: Most crazy thing yeah yeah I mean I see what you're saying but it's not like that at all this is it an established company you know it's not just some guy that says Hey I've contracted all these artisans yet make this pen for me you know it's not like that at all this is someone who's got experience in the market experience with the sources experience with the manufacturing and like I don't even question that let at all from my perspective like that doesn't even register.
Myke: Twice as good I fine here to ask the questions for you to buy me the answers so.
Myke: Why is this a dream band then what what gives this pen the right to be called dream pen.
Brad: I mean I I I I guess it's a lot of people dream to have a and re she penned I guess is why they came up with the name I did look at the specifics I mean it's certainly not my dream pen but it's a wonderful pain I call it the wonderful amazing pen because it's really nice but dumb.
Brad: The I guess the major factoring in the artwork that the a risky application is is really fascinating to me and.
Brad: The issue with that type of work has always been price right because it takes a long time to manufacture something like this I think in the totality of the project that's my biggest question is if they sell hundreds if not more of these pens how far is the time I'm gonna be pushed.
Brad: Because you cannot Russian rishi pen right it's a.
Brad: Dedicated process that takes XML time.
Brad: And.
Brad: When you add numbers on that you just your quantities on that I don't know that you necessarily.
Brad: Get the same art I am I guess my kids are beat is the same quality output gonna be pen number one is pen number thousand right if we get into that range of selling this pen because.
Brad: The price is really good foreigner rishi pen.
Myke: To have my question on that.
Brad: Yeah.
Myke: This is the thing that is I don't know I don't know what what I think about this because.
Brad: This is what makes it the dream Mike.
Myke: Yeah but like so here is is this stream based in reality.
Brad: So right.
Myke: Or rishi pens tend to cost like two times the amount that they are selling these for rice of the prices on Kickstarter rolling again but they've given a break down on that page is the kind of how much.
Brad: It costs.
Myke: In dollars roughly is all based on the.
Myke: Well we'll get to the fact that this is the end in a minute because this is an interesting point of this whole campaign anyway which we spoke about quite awhile ago we need this type of things coming.
Myke: But obviously you know they they give an animal so they say if the Arusha mature she stops at three hundred and fifty dollars.
Myke: Which is the kind of the standard early bird pricing and then it goes to three eighty five for the regular ID but that's super early but I'm regularly but the right kind of thing but even a retail price is four fifty.
Myke: Now correct me if I'm wrong that's cheap for Richie.
Brad: Generally I mean the ball park.
Brad: Neck high US starter pen in Danny trio starter pen are like in the four fifty five hundred dollar range.
Myke: Okay.
Brad: So it's rather so it's not a bold.
Myke: Of retail prices.
Brad: Yeah services they are called are a price.
Myke: Level are significantly.
Brad: Cheaper.
Myke: Right if you significantly three fifty that's crazy for a rich person.
Myke: So my my question is right that this imagine that we're in a world where they sell fifteen thousand it is right.
Myke: Is that actually solving the problem that they're trying to solve which is like that people are getting paid a fair price for this work.
Brad: I don't know that it is I mean.
Brad: I I mean probably not but.
Brad: I mean what's your other choice.
Myke: There isn't one there isn't one I'm being I'm being the guy that I am being right like I'm being contrarian well.
Brad: It needs to you need to be that guy that's fair for this project I believe.
Myke: I'm just you know if if this is a Kickstarter campaign to stop this company off.
Brad: Right.
Myke: Doing this and I mean they're established but it's like.
Brad: It's the start this product line at CS up essentially a separate product line which would be their biggest and boldest product line right.
Myke: But then it's like next year we get version two and it's also consult campaign in the sun for three hundred fifty dollars each time like I I'm just wondering like.
Myke: All the considering that there is probably about a third of that video devoted to about giving a fat price to these people.
Myke: To create this work.
Myke: I'm just wondering like.
Brad: Is this better.
Myke: I guess I mean my thinking would be three hundred fifty dollars is better than no dollars.
Myke: So it's good that but I've a then not just making it harder for other companies that do this work.
Myke: To exist.
Brad: If.
Myke: You get like a really good or she banned from just over three hundred dollars general I mean like these are the questions I ask and I only ask these questions when a company spends so much time talking about that right Chiss ideas.
Brad: Sure writer.
Myke: But none of that was included I would just be like man that's a great price and kind of just leave it at that but like these these things I'm like okay so.
Brad: Also.
Myke: Is the thing that you're saying actually doing what you say you're going to do like that's the kind of question right I tend to have on these types of campaigns.
Brad: Yeah I mean I I guess this is the.
Brad: The great Kickstarter dilemma right is we have to put our faith in.
Brad: You know words on a screen and video right we don't know exactly you know how the back into going to work in a dental work smoothly into the game and all engines and Isham are you ever going to get it right I cannot send.
Myke: The case here because I think they can make them because they have that is or ways to gamble you play.
Brad: Right.
Myke: So yeah I know I I'm trying to like balance this out as much as I can but like my personal feelings.
Brad: Is that.
Myke: This it looks awesome.
Myke: Right like I I'm very intrigued by this.
Myke: I have one hang up.
Brad: Which.
Myke: Is the nips.
Brad: Yeah.
Brad: I do.
Myke: Okay Joe with Joe on nebs my what out.
Brad: A great.
Myke: But I I think I expect a little bit more.
Brad: Sure I do just like I expect more from canali right yeah expect more and I've told you as much like it least give me a stamping on your steel net up if you're gonna sell me a four hundred dollar pen.
Brad: Yet with a blank stock nibh right but that didn't stop me from buying can allay for the barrel knowing that I have another day back and swap into it that's not gonna stop me from buying this are re she penned knowing that I have another napkins I can slip into it but that's not everyone situation and if I was coming into it it wouldn't be a concern that I'm going to get.
Brad: You know a non good nab you're gonna get a great nab but do you feel special.
Brad: Like.
Brad: It's unfair to compare these pens to not hire for their day jobs because it's such a superior experience and you're paying for that and it's worth every penny of that premium.
Brad: So I think they've balance that in the pricing.
Brad: Of this pen understanding that you're gonna get a really good now but you're gonna have a really nice experience.
Brad: But I I will say the dead as I don't of let downs the right word but does it do depend justice.
Myke: Because I everything else seems like it is so out.
Brad: Right.
Myke: Leg under roof she feed.
Myke: Sounds so fancy right like we'll look how fancy and then I just feel like come on a little bit let down.
Brad: Eight.
Myke: All they need to do is exactly you say it's like a logo on it right because.
Brad: It it it.
Myke: It's not about the quality so much as it's like the.
Brad: Overall aesthetic.
Brad: Right right.
Myke: Especially if you're going for the mac came I can never say it right I know a concert right the.
Myke: If you were gonna get the pen that has this beautiful hand design on it you would maybe then wanna see extended nibble little bit more.
Brad: Right yeah.
Myke: I think that that is it is good because you can swap in a bunch of different names.
Myke: But when I buy a pen like this I don't want to ever do that.
Brad: Like I think that's fair.
Myke: I want it to be.
Myke: The package that is.
Myke: And I know I've got a system thing that I'm less excited about.
Brad: So like.
Brad: I.
Myke: I see where you're coming from with Canaletto right like is the same it's the same deal.
Brad: But.
Myke: One of the things that has been good for me as I have always pulled my pants from them at a show where the pen like the name feels like it's taking I I watch you take care of it for me you know and it like adds that thing to it which isn't fair to levy against one show because.
Myke: I mean what one of what I gonna do bring it to my house and like to know why they like that's dumb and and also at one of my kind of land pens of rose gold name on it which is like well that's fancy to know I mean I pay for that because it like it matches the overall look of the pen right.
Brad: Right but.
Myke: They have a two tone available which is nice like that.
Brad: That.
Myke: Would maybe do it for me a little bit because it's like it's got something to it but I would love to see.
Myke: I would love to see something to something.
Brad: Because they are like.
Myke: Because even the role stop as you can get a friggin snow flake.
Brad: You know.
Myke: They've gone so far in so many areas and it just feels like that one.
Myke: Dave kind of like.
Brad: The cut.
Myke: A corner that.
Brad: Which.
Myke: To offer the prices that they have to.
Myke: I guess you have to someone.
Brad: You know a lot of companies do that and there's gotta be a reason like I don't know what it is it seems like that would be a negative negligible cost to have an added design I mean the neighbors are designed so you have a spot to personalize them into your the something for your company.
Myke: Yeah.
Brad: Why like so many I mean this is normal like a lot of companies don't put anything there and it kind of drives me crazy like it seems like that I hate maybe I'm missing something in that costs but that seems like a negligible cost.
Myke: Dependent John from books gave us is the two time Joan and right.
Brad: Yeah.
Myke: But it has all logo stamped on it.
Brad: Yeah.
Myke: And it's like it's not makes honestly this is the most special need the I own because of that.
Myke: But I know this is personal to me but it's got something cool on it it has the space for and that's kind of kind of all you need yeah it's an interesting question and the thing is right like with a lot of pens I don't think that this is so much of an issue.
Myke: But for for this specific one I don't know it feels like it's it feels like it's just strange considering the overall.
Myke: Ascetics what's going on because you can't help but look at this pen.
Myke: And match up in a class and I know the prices on the same.
Brad: Right but like.
Myke: They all the natural competition.
Brad: Right right that status who eat.
Myke: That's who you'll gun in full if your doing this right like because they are the leader in this right like if the if you want to look at these types of pens right with Dale vote connect high are in some way like they all the the number one right now and you look at it as like bull with the Cairo it's not just the body right.
Brad: Right.
Myke: Your planned the nip and and the navy is interest hasn't just gonna logo on it right like that is.
Brad: The end it.
Myke: And it's like that's a whole different thing and I don't expect companies that wanted to create a nip because do you know one that's too difficult.
Brad: Bright.
Myke: And.
Brad: And you're kind of like the price of this pen.
Myke: And then I'm gonna I'm gonna be distrusting of the knit practices like room really like is that you're doing that as well like a bit like I don't know at least I know what I'm getting with Joan.
Brad: Right.
Myke: Like I know when I'm getting and so I'm cool with that.
Brad: But.
Myke: I don't know.
Brad: But.
Myke: I'm really picking this one apart and I'm trying.
Brad: I don't know.
Myke: I am not trying to be like a and negative Mike about all of this.
Brad: But I think you're being fair it's funny I think these are the questions you have to ask.
Myke: I think that this is just such a bold and ambitious.
Brad: Project.
Myke: With so much detail provided.
Myke: That essay in the more the more details you give this is this the same more details you give the more places you have for people to pick apart.
Myke: So I knows his some of the things.
Brad: Is they.
Myke: Kind of traditional cigar.
Brad: Shaped.
Myke: That you would expect to see a of a pen like this which I think is good a good thing.
Brad: In the topic it's it really big it's not what like when I got got the pin and I started writing with and using it I didn't think it was big like it doesn't feel big and hand it feels perfect the size and weight when I set it down next to other pens.
Brad: It's.
Myke: Can you give me a size comparison.
Brad: It's bigger than my pilot eight twenty three it's it's the size of the sailor.
Brad: King of pen rishi pens.
Myke: Rule.
Brad: It wow riffs the sailor proper the sailor procure next to it in the full size sailor pro gear.
Brad: Next to it it the worse it it's all areas looking like I didn't think it was that big but it's that's a.
Myke: Wild.
Brad: Does not it does not feel that big when I use it but it's the same size as the sailor king a pen rishi which I'll have at you'll see the pictures and my review when you look at it.
Myke: So.
Myke: Do you have a night Trevor knight sauce about two seventy five the truer she starts about three fifty and the true McKay is about thousand.
Myke: They are looking at ship dates of anywhere between April to August.
Myke: Which seems like you're having depend that'll let you buy.
Brad: That's aggressive.
Myke: And I I and again unlike some as they already made because that's the only way you do it.
Brad: Right.
Myke: They get right got the wall already other.
Brad: Would we say started there's and there's no reason not to start this because as a company out there just gonna cellum anyway yeah.
Myke: His one of the interesting things.
Myke: About this right this is a civil come back to this.
Myke: This is a Japanese Kickstarter.
Myke: Campaign.
Myke: And kick some to launched in Japan recently right would we it was a news item on the show and we said then.
Myke: This is going to happen.
Brad: Right like.
Myke: This stuff is going to happen and now that I'm seeing it.
Myke: It seems weird to me like.
Myke: Does a Kickstarter campaign for a roof she penned diminish the specialness of the pen.
Brad: To me no.
Brad: But.
Brad: In general I could see the argument to me it does not because I get the specialness by backing it on Kickstarter and I was one of those people.
Myke: That it is a different specialness right like you are hoping this company stock.
Brad: Yeah.
Myke: I really feel like.
Myke: This this this work is shrouded in mystery.
Myke: Right.
Myke: Do you know you imagine like these crofts people in Japan layering the ever she over months in these beautiful rooms.
Brad: Right like that's.
Myke: What I mean like this kind of this this this opinion to get and now it's like we're on Kickstarter like the aluminium pens in sight.
Myke: Anymore right like you think this is this isn't the magic.
Brad: That.
Myke: That yeah.
Brad: I'd.
Myke: I'd seen.
Brad: Yeah I see what you're saying.
Myke: But you know not get me wrong I am happy that this is happening because.
Myke: Kickstarter in Japan is just going on off these wonderful projects and.
Brad: But it but it's it's.
Myke: A bold New World right is kind of how I feel is like huh okay right like we don't just get machine aluminium anymore on Kickstarter as it has been for the last five years.
Brad: Right.
Myke: Now.
Myke: The most prestigious form of making a pen.
Myke: It's on Kickstarter.
Myke: And it's like.
Brad: That.
Myke: That is very very very different.
Myke: I am yeah Brad should I back this what do you tell.
Brad: I.
Brad: What you have it right I have it this is a loner pen so I'm sending this back I will be back in the project and it's not even a question.
Myke: Is it so it's worth it.
Brad: Yeah.
Myke: Okay tell me what.
Brad: This will be the first pen I buy this year because of the the price really.
Brad: I mean.
Brad: It's all about the price on this a in the workmanship and craftsmanship of the pen is well worth the price of their asking from what I've seen having this pen in my hand and using it.
Brad: Mike without question like that I would even blink for me personally.
Brad: So.
Myke: How does it stack up against the other bands that you own the Alexis.
Brad: You know my new cars are different because of the new jobs it's not at that level of pain it's right there with my data trio and what I feel like when I use the pen you know do I feel like it's amazing pen yes.
Myke: And how much is it in a trio.
Brad: Like the one I bought was like around five hundred okay go a little bit more I mean those are just the basic ones I bought a very about like an entry level one.
Brad: Around five hundred to seven hundred most of men on up to a thousand more it feels like a data trio to me arm as opposed to an entire.
Brad: The Finnish feels a little like I feel like the the chi F. finishes are a little softer these are a little bit more hard shell type finishes I don't know if that's even a thing maybe I'm just delusional and that's how the data entry of feels to me.
Brad: Com.
Brad: You know I've bought ebonite pens.
Brad: For over three hundred dollars that I def I like this spend way more than.
Brad: You know just a standard ebonite rod you know like a green and black squirrel ebonite pen with a box paid three three fifty four I would buy this pen ten times over.
Myke: So so I mean like you can never recommend wholeheartedly because everybody's different but like this pen gets the bride dowdy stamp of approval right.
Brad: Sure but it doesn't come without risk this is at risk.
Myke: This one yet.
Brad: You're buying on Kickstarter.
Myke: I'm we've never seen this before.
Brad: And it's a lot of money.
Myke: Yet especially if you go in for the thousand dollars.
Brad: Net no one's gonna do that I mean no one.
Myke: None of.
Brad: No one we know probably I don't maybe someone but no even though I'm saying this is a great price it'll stupid amount of money for a normal pen friends around us in a lot of money so yeah but it's a relative breeze right a.
Myke: Raise the amount of money to blow on a Kickstarter campaign.
Brad: Yes.
Myke: Celery figure comes out a rest Soviet like it starting at starting at two seventy five is why old for a Kickstarter.
Brad: So here is the best way to put where I'm at with it so like on just the pen buying level I am at zero percent concern just on the the product but all my Kickstarter nervous level where is that at that's a different scale right I'd say like on a scale of one to ten with ten being like extraordinarily nervous and one being.
Brad: It's a mortal lock and it's gonna be easy I'm not like a seven like I'm a little bit nervous.
Myke: Does it mean okay so what if ten just what every clarify this what if ten is in private dowdy's mind this pen this product never gets made them whether you saw on that scale of one to ten.
Brad: Not not sure item tracking you on that one.
Myke: So like okay see you're saying like it's none of this right but.
Brad: Yeah.
Myke: There is the feeling like if you look at campaigning alike that's never gonna happen like that never gonna be able yet to do that.
Brad: Like the scribble pen scribble pens like a ten.
Myke: Day goes to scribble pens ten.
Myke: Right so wet wet how do you feel on that scale was still seven.
Brad: Yeah yeah okay as I'd say like a new makers say if from.
Brad: Title turn came out with their first project right that's like a five just by default.
Myke: Because right here because it's it's.
Brad: Because they're new.
Myke: Right right but Dallas isn't just not southern this is like yeah the most exquisite.
Myke: That you can do yeah.
Brad: Right so like it now tackle turns done I'll five projects so they launch a new products and you know like you just did I re work this mechanism from hand that's a two.
Brad: Even though he's doing something new he's done it for other times.
Brad: So not only is this new it's difficult.
Brad: And pricey sought to set I think that the seven.
Myke: But you'll be able to put your personal money down though.
Brad: I'm gonna put my personal money down on this project.
Myke: Someone I'm really came to see how it is very interesting.
Brad: This will be one we follow a lot because it's there's so many things.
Brad: About this project that are worth talking about.
Brad: I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna blow out.
Brad: But that just leads to a whole nother net that leads to the next set of questions right.
Myke: Yeah I mean dusts the biggest risk for this campaign is that it gets to that of a.
Brad: Subscribed.
Brad: So what are they need here so they're asking for one point five million yes.
Myke: This is the other thing about moving to yet now it's like oh one point five million black.
Brad: The media me see how many pens they need to sell so.
Myke: So one point five million the NWS stolen let's say fourteen grand let's say.
Brad: I was at it that yes is nothing so one pen is thirty eight.
Brad: It's a thirty nine thousand yen.
Brad: So this is not fun.
Brad: Yeah.
Brad: They don't need to sell hardly anything there making these are any.
Myke: Yeah.
Brad: Yeah.
Myke: How many are not as you know.
Brad: Like forty.
Myke: O..
Myke: Huh.
Brad: So if.
Brad: To say it like if it if the pen is forty thousand yen and they're only asking for one point five million yen did I do that math right.
Myke: Hello.
Myke: Hey sorry.
Brad: That's right.
Myke: What is ailing now its right of million divided by forty thousand.
Brad: Now I'm right.
Myke: Yeah that is seven point five eighths of forty so this is a coalition on allocating thirty nine and then isn't it.
Brad: This is a marketing Kickstarter so I didn't do that math I did look at that before they're making these plans are at their they have hundreds of these made already.
Brad: Guaranteed.
Brad: This is what the soul are funded thirty minutes.
Myke: I don't know how I feel about this again now I sort of tied it back on its head again.
Myke: I'm gone for a wild ride of a school day listens.
Brad: Well this is the kind of company you would think would do a marketing campaign because it's not their first product they're established think.
Myke: They could take a.
Brad: It's their growth product.
Myke: Yet.
Brad: So that's fine but now that I see that yeah.
Brad: These are already made a lot of them so they might hit their timelines unless you guys really nuts but I mean they're gonna sell forty pens in ten minutes.
Myke: Yeah.

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Myke: Well okay those links in the shadows he went to go pick it up yourself you probably already have by now if you wanted to.
Myke: Talk about this next week official will follow up on it next week.
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Myke: Thank you so much for tuning to this week's episode and we'll be back next time till then sick about Brad.
Brad: Goodbye Brad.