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Episode:	220
Title:	Not That I'm Rugged
Release Date:	August 31st, 2016
Hosts:	Brad Dowdy Myke Hurley
Guests:	No guests this episode
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Length:	5757 min <br />0.95 h <br /> minutes
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Pen Addict Podcast

Myke Hurley: From RelayFM, this is The Pen Addict, episode 220. Today's show is brought to you by The Pen Chalet. My name is Myke Hurley, and I am joined, as always, back from San Francisco, Mr. Brad Dowdy.

Brad Dowdy: How are you, Myke? I'm good. How are you? Good, good. There was a left my heart joke in there somewhere, but I think that's a little played out.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, do you know, there was probably something more that I could have done, you know? You know, there's probably some kind of, like, pen-related joke that I could have thrown in.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, yeah. I'll let you down. So we are the masters of the pen pun, but we'll try to save them for later.

Myke Hurley: Yep. So, you're back now. When did you get back from San Francisco? It's pen show season. I feel like we've been talking about a lot of pen shows recently.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, yeah, it's been a busy, I don't know, last four months or so. So I got back Monday night, about a little after 10 p.m. So, you know, that time change is always sketchy, but it's actually easier for me on the way back. Going out, when I lose three hours, you know, I'm always up at 5 o'clock in the morning, even if I don't go to bed until, like, 1 o'clock in the morning out there. So that always throws me for a loop. But just in general, yeah, the travel was great. And got back late Monday night and tried to get caught up on most everything yesterday on Tuesday and then a little bit more this morning before the podcast. Just trying to get it all back together again. And it's always hard coming back, you know, just like I dump my bags out and there's crap everywhere. And, you know, just getting back into the groove of the blog and the show and everything. So, but it's good. It's good. I felt good around yesterday afternoon. I was like, okay, I'm not totally buried. I think I can do this.

Myke Hurley: So, tell me about your San Francisco experience. I think the thing that I'm most excited to hear about was your visit to JetPens.

JetPens Warehouse

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So, I snuck in a stealth trip to JetPens. Once they found out I was coming, they really wanted me to get me down there. And I could not have been more excited because when I worked for them, you know, I worked for them for almost a year. I think it was like 11 months and change. And I never traveled out there. So, I'd never met anyone in person that I ever worked with at JetPens. It was all through Skype and FaceTime and whatever we did. So, that was like right out the gate. That was going to be like a super highlight of mine. And we took it right from the airport. I landed in San Francisco, got in an Uber and went to JetPens offices in San Jose, which only took about 45 minutes. It wasn't that bad of a trip. And it was just a blast. You know, I got to meet Shu, who's one of the original three founders. The other two are out and about, you know, doing other things. You know, actually, one was in New York and one was in Korea at the time. So, I didn't get to meet everyone that I was with. But, you know, I've worked with Shu for years and years and years. And she was amazing. She gave me the tour. And they have a great setup now. And they have tons of employees. And they have a cool office. And, you know, their warehousing is really neat. It's big. And it's super efficient. And it's organized so well. And with that many items, they carry so much stuff, right? I mean, it's just endless. You know, they can launch a new product like a brush pen. And that brush pen will have 70 colors. And then that just goes right in with everything else. I can't even imagine. I didn't even ask the numbers. But just thousands and thousands and thousands of SKUs. Because, you know, everyone's picking and packing. And orders flying out the door while we're there. So, it was just a good experience. And, of course, got to meet Elaine, who writes Owl Inc. She's my main contact there these days. And, you know, I talk to her a bunch about the blogging stuff. And about new products coming in. And what we're going to talk about. And things like that. So, it was awesome to finally meet her. And, you know, I got to see their whole photography setup. And video setup. And marketing department.

Myke Hurley: So, they have like a huge warehouse. And it all comes from there. That's how it's done with JetPens. Like, they ship everything.

Brad Dowdy: Yes. They ship everything. It all comes from there. It's all picked and shipped there every day. So, you know. And it's a... I don't even know how much square feet it is. It's not like... Like, you say, huge warehouse. It's not like as big as maybe you would imagine. But it's very, very large. You know. But it's like it... But it's almost... But it's like in a... In an office park type of thing, you know. Right. Okay. With other offices in there in the same, you know, facility. They're not their own facility. If that makes sense.

Myke Hurley: And how many people do they have? Like, picking those guys?

Brad Dowdy: Oh, gosh. I don't know. A bunch. A bunch. Just a lot of people in there. Yeah. Good amount of people there. Yeah. So... But it was just cool. And, you know. Always get to see new stuff. And it's just cool being around all those pens and paper. And, you know. Shu and I were joking about her desk. You know. You know. It's just piled high with stuff she needs to, you know. Be testing out or trying out. See if they want to, you know. Want to order. And I'm like, yeah. That's how my desk looks at home. With all the stuff I get from them. Just figuring out what I'm going to do with it. When I'm going to review it. And all that stuff. But...

Myke Hurley: And that sounds like one of those dream jobs, right?

Brad Dowdy: Oh, yeah. Totally. Right? I mean. Just being in that environment is cool. It's cool. So, you know. Heck. That's why I jumped at the chance to work at them. Work for them. You know. Back in the day. People that might not know.

JetPens Marketing

Myke Hurley: Right? Like. Back in the day. Like. When we started this show. Brad worked doing marketing for JetPers. And you kind of transitioned out of that. I can't remember how long it was into the show. To go back to kind of the night shift work. But, yeah. It was. It's funny to think back now. And, like. If you listen to some of the early episodes. Of the show. And, as always. I encourage you. Not to. Because of how terrible we sound. But there is a lot of. But if you can get over that. There is a lot of really great. And interesting content. In our back catalog. As we've mentioned many times in the past. But at the end of some of the earlier episodes. We had to play like a. Like a little disclaimer. Didn't we? That you were employed by JetPens. And it didn't inform. Or change your views on anything.

Brad Dowdy: Right. Right. And it still doesn't. But now that I'm not officially working for them. We don't have to do it anymore. I just do it on the blog now. My disclaimers. Do you have disclaimers there? I just say. You know. Like. You know. Always wear. If we get the product. For free. Or discounted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. I say that kind of stuff on.

Myke Hurley: We don't really do any. Reviews. Like. Of that kind. On this show. Do we? No.

Brad Dowdy: No. And it's weird now. The longer. You. You do that. The less. You know. The more. You know. People understand where you're coming from. And you don't necessarily have to do that. But there's always new. Listeners. New readers. And. Coming in. So you always have to have those disclaimers. And I guess. It's legalities too. So. You kind of.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. But I forgot. I actually forgot about that disclaimer. When I was working for JetPens. We totally had to do that.

Myke Hurley: So what else happened on the San Francisco visit? Did you enjoy San Francisco in general?

San Francisco Visit

Brad Dowdy: No. I mean. Yes. But we weren't in San Francisco. So I said no. Because I never actually made it into San Francisco. Does that make sense?

Myke Hurley: Is this like how the DC pen shows. Not in DC?

Brad Dowdy: Completely. Right. So we're a good 30, 40 minutes from San Francisco proper. So we weren't in San Francisco. And I would have loved to have gone to San Francisco. So you know. Maybe next year. When I'm hopefully doing it for Nock. I can build in. What that one extra day. Or two extra days. You know. To. In particular towns. I wouldn't be able to do it all the time. But you know. Like it's funny. When I went to Chicago. And when I went to San Francisco. I'm a huge baseball fan. Right. So. They have two of the best ballparks. In the country. That I've never been to. So Chicago has Wrigley Field. And San Francisco has AT&T. And they're just beautiful. They're like. Like if you did a ranking of the 30 ballparks. They're probably. Between both of them. They're probably like top three. And both the times I was in town. My team was playing. The home team.

Myke Hurley: Oh.

Brad Dowdy: So the Atlanta Braves. Were in Chicago. When I was in Chicago. And in San Francisco. When I was in San Francisco. And I couldn't make it to a game. That's like a. You know. A kick in the. You know where. Like that's. That was hard. But. You know. Just with the timing. Of it. You know. It would never. Ever. Work out in a million years. That I could get to it. So. I'll have to figure out. If I make it to those. Even if the Braves aren't playing. Like when I travel. I want to be able to go to. Some of the ballparks. Because that's like my thing. Besides the Pen stuff. Is all the baseball stuff. So. I didn't get to. San Francisco. But like the area. That we were at. Was wonderful. So just driving to Jetpens. It's totally like. You know. The Silicon Valley TV show. You know. From San Francisco. To San Jose. You go through. Mountain View. And. You know. You go through. Palo Alto. And you just see like. Every huge office building ever. You know. You know. Microsoft. Dell. You know. I didn't get to see. Apple's campus. But you know. It's all right there. And the hotel. Where the Pen show was at. Is Oracle's Hotel. Because their office is. You know. Two blocks away. And you know. They have their big. America's Cup. Racing boat. In the lake. In the front of their. Office building. It's just kind of insane. You know. Oh. How strange. Yeah. Yeah. So it's. We were in. What was called. Redwood City. So it's like. 30-40 minutes south. Of San Francisco. But it was. Just a beautiful area. Hotel was fantastic. The night we got in. So after I went to Jetpens. I just. Ubered back to the hotel. That was my first Uber experience too. Which could not have been any. Any smoother. It was really good. I mean. If anywhere. You know. If Uber is going to succeed anywhere. That's the place it's going to succeed. Right. So they have it down to a science there. And. You get back to the hotel. Meet up with the Vanesses. And. Start seeing everyone. Thursday night. We were able to get into. The. Ballroom. To start setting up. On Thursday night. Which we're thankful for. Because we found out. We didn't realize it at the time. But the show opened at 7 a.m. For weekend pass holders on Friday.

Myke Hurley: That's straight up. Madness.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So. Honestly. That doesn't make any. Make any sense.

Myke Hurley: That's way too early. Like who needs 7 a.m.

Brad Dowdy: Especially on a Friday. So we were kind of nervous about that. So we tried to set up everything. Thursday night. So we didn't get finished. In the ballroom Thursday night. Until probably around 10 p.m. I'm thinking we. Wrapped it up. Like we just ordered pizza and ate. While we were setting up. Um. Because we didn't want to have to do it in the morning. Um. Once you get. We have so much ink to set up. That. If we try to do it in the morning. And people are coming. Yeah. You know. And like we're having to stop. We would never get like. Into a comfortable place.

Myke Hurley: At least. I guess the benefit for you. Kind of going west. Is that the time zone difference. Like a 7 a.m. Start. Isn't so tough. Right. Right. Because you were probably up and about. A little bit earlier. And easier. Because of that. I expect.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Except I didn't go to bed. Until so late. Oh bro. That night. I kind of like. It. It didn't really work in my favor. You need to.

Myke Hurley: You need to quit this party animal lifestyle.

Brad Dowdy: You have. Well that's the thing. Is I didn't at all. You know. It was just. Ended up being. You know. Like midnight or so. Before I went to bed. You know. Or like 1130. You know. Which was like. I was on like. Two. Two in the morning. My time. By that time. So. And then. Yeah. The morning came early. But it was fine. Like. I slept fine. Wasn't too worn out. But yeah. We were down there. I was up at six. Down there. Before seven. And just getting going. And. Friday was awesome. You know. It was just really busy. Which we're starting to figure out. Like these Friday weekend pass holders. Seem to be a bigger deal. Than they have in the past. You know. Talking with Lisa. And people who have been to other pin shows. You know. Around. Around the country. That you're getting a lot more action on Friday. Than you used to in the past. People are making a weekend out of it. You know. And. Either coming in Thursday night. Or coming in early Friday. And. Just mingling around the show. And getting an early start. And. It's really cool. I mean. It's great to be busy. On Friday. When. You know. A lot of. Like the locals are working.

Brad Dowdy: And having people travel. And be there. And the show activity. Picks up. Like really. Really well.

Myke Hurley: Do you think that's part in case. Like as well as like people making these. Trips to the shows. It's. It's. Like the issue of scarcity. So like. If somebody's going to make the trip. They want to get there as early as they can. So they can get everything that they wanted.

Brad Dowdy: Right. And that happens. A lot of times. You know. A lot of people will get there early. And do some early shopping. And get the things that they want. And. Then just relax. Kind of the rest of the weekend. And then just mingle. And take their time. And really soak in the show. Really check out all the. All the different vendors. And the different goings on. And. At this show. There's a lot going on. Outside of the. An individual room itself. And the one. One thing about the room. That this show is in. This is the first show. I've done. That's been self-contained into one room. And I kind of like that.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. What's the difference?

Brad Dowdy: I don't know. Just. It's a good vibe. When you see it like busy all the time. Not that it's never. Not busy in other shows. Where it's broken up between different rooms. But it was just different. In a. In a really cool way. Everyone was all in the same place. Right. You didn't have to send people to other rooms. To find something.

Myke Hurley: Mm-hmm.

Brad Dowdy: It's a big room. You know. Probably a little over a hundred and something tables. It was really large. And. You know. Just a big. Square room. And it was just packed. Pretty much all weekend. You know. Um. And. What I was saying a second ago. Was. They have a lot of other activities. During. The show. Lots of classes. Um. Lots of events at night. So like. That's one of the things I. I. I took away from this show. Is. How they mixed in. Other things. Um. Every show does it. But they do it a little differently. Um. So like. We had the pen addict meet up. On Friday night. Which. A lot of shows have. Been gracious enough for us to do. And then on Saturday night. They had a band. You know. They just brought in. You know. Like a. A country. Bluegrass. Rockabilly. Type of band. You know. Just to play. Just for something different. For the. Um. For the attendees. You know. That kind of stuff is cool. And then. Um. You know. All the different classes. They had throughout. All weekend. You know. It. Wasn't just like. Um. You know. The handwriting classes. It was. Letter writing classes. And a planner meet up. And just all. Like a few different things. That. A lot of people that listen to this show. Or read the blog. Are into. You know. Um. There weren't as many. Repair classes. If you will. How to repair. Parker Vacumatic. You know. There was a good. Wall ever sharp history. Class. Like. I wouldn't mind going to that. But. Um. You know. There weren't a lot of. Like. Every show seems to have the same group of classes. And this one mixed it up a little bit. Which was enjoyable.

Myke Hurley: So. It's like. Allowing people to maybe do something a little bit different.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Yeah. Which was great. So. And it brings in. I don't want to say it brings in a different crowd. But it makes. Like. It gives. Everyone in attendance. Something to maybe do. Outside of the show. If they are interested. You certainly don't have to do those things. But. Um. A lot of people were making plans around. The classes. You know. That are going to be there. Friday. Saturday. And Sunday. Where they're going to mix in. And they're not going to hover around the ballroom all day. They're going to. Get into one of those classes. Or. Sometimes three or more. You know. Things like that. So. It was just a. Good setup overall. For a show. Show. Very comfortable. Good room. Um. Good vibe. The whole weekend. Uh. The promoters. You know. Had it. You know. Very under control. They weren't running around like chickens with their head cut off. Which. You know. That's the planning that goes into it. They did a. A really good job. Everything was. Uh. Taken care of. It was nice.

Myke Hurley: So. What did you buy? Or what did you see? That was maybe a little bit new or different. Was it? Didn't catch your eye? I know it's only just been a couple of weeks since the last one. So. I wouldn't imagine too much.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So. That's. That's pretty accurate. Um. As far as like new and different. I didn't see anything that I was totally.

Kernow Bookbinding

Brad Dowdy: You know. That I. That I haven't really seen on another show. Right. Pretty much everything was there. I did get to meet Steve Kernow. Of. Kernow Bookbinding. Who does. The Back Pocket Journal. Which is the. One of the first Tomoe River. Journals. He actually was out there. Um. Because he's from California. So. I got to meet him for the first time. So. That was cool. After talking to him. And. And using his. Books. And. And notebooks. And things like that. So. That was cool. And that was different. Because I got to see like his full setup. Instead of like. Just what Lisa Van Ness was carrying. So. That was kind of cool. So you get to meet people like that. Um. That. Don't travel to. A lot of other shows. That's kind of their local show. If you will. Um. So that was neat. Um. Outside of that. I'm trying to think if there were anything. Different. They're not really. Um. You know. Um. A lot of vendors. You don't normally see. But with. You know. Still kind of the same. The same setups. As you would expect. So. I didn't have anything. Like you were talking about. I didn't have much to. I certainly didn't have a shopping list. Um. After DC. I. You know. I'd. I'd spent a lot on two pens. That I really. Really. Had. Always wanted. Well. The. Omos 360. Was one I'd always wanted. The. Optima. Optima. Was new on my radar. And if I didn't buy one in DC. I would have bought one. In San Francisco. For sure. Because. I. I just kept using them. And playing with them. And I really enjoy that pen a lot. But. I had always wanted to. Purchase a pen from Ryan Krusak. Who. Is from Georgia. So. I see him at all the shows. I talk to him all the time. And he does. A few different pens. Of styles. A lot of them. Are based around wood. And then he does. Some scrimshaw pens. And then he does. Some hand painted pens. And this is all. His own artwork. You know. The scrimshaw work. He's doing himself. The hand painting work. He's doing himself. And I've always liked. The look. And aesthetic of them. But. The majority of pens. I haven't. Cared for. The grip section. That he used. He uses a thin. Thinner. Than. What I consider. A standard. Grip section. So.

Brad Dowdy: You know. I always. I check out his stuff. Every show. And look at his stuff. Every show. And never come away with anything. Because I don't think. I would use it. Because of the grip section. But everything else. About the pen. Really really speaks to me. So. In DC. He came up with a new model. It's called the Legend. Which is.

Brad Dowdy: More. I don't want to say standard. But it definitely has a more normal section. So. It's got an ebonite section. Of a standard width. Like you would normally see. And the shape of the pen. Is. Like the. Nakaya Piccolo. That I like so much. That standard cigar. Cigar shape. With a little bit tapering. On the end. You know. That's a very. Common design. But it's a design. That I like a lot. And. So he came. And they're clipless. Which I really enjoy. So a lot of his pens have clips. Which. I'm not opposed to clips. I'm just saying. I like that. Aesthetic. I'm good with a non-clip aesthetic. And. These are at. A lower price point. Than a lot of his stuff. Like the Scrimshaw stuff. Is beautiful. It's just expensive. Same with the hand painted stuff. It's just. Beautiful. But expensive.

Myke Hurley: Naturally.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Yeah. As it should be. Right. So. I saw Ray from. Fountain Pen Quest. Pick one up. In DC. And I was just kind of too busy. I didn't get to talk to Ryan much. In DC. But. He was with an eye shot of us. In San Francisco. So I strolled over there. On Saturday. To see what he had. And he had. I don't know. About six or eight of these. Left. And. Just looking at the wood patterns. And the finishes on them. Yeah.

Myke Hurley: They seem to be like. The real design. Is focused around the wood grain.

Brad Dowdy: It is. And he. Prides himself on. Finding these. Exotic. Patterned woods. To really show off the wood grain. And there was one particular pen. That. Out of like the eight or so. That he had. On the. On the table. That I kept grabbing the same one. Over and over again. I was like. Well. I guess I'm buying this one. Because. I keep grabbing it. And I can't put it down. And we'll. We'll put a picture in the show notes. And I'll. I'll shoot it over to the. Chat room. But my pen is actually. The one. Two. Three. Fourth one. From the top. So. It's a. Mexican. Bocate wood.

Myke Hurley: So. It's like the yellow and black one.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. And it's got all the swirls in it. He was.

Brad Dowdy: You know. He talked this one up a bunch. You know. About how he got this wood. And he. You know. He's got a friend in Atlanta. That has a wood shop. And when he gets rare. Unique stuff. That he can't use. Even if it's small pieces. He'll get this guy. To give him a call. And he'll run down. And pick it up. So. We got these two. So. The top one was already gone. Out of these two. So. The third one down. With the. Smaller swirls in the cap. Mine has the swirls in the barrel. So. Mine. It's. It's just really cool. It's very. Very light. And it has an ebonite section. And a steel nib. And it's got Ryan's stamp on the nib. Which is. Which is very cool.

Brad Dowdy: Everything about this. Pen is like. Right up my alley. I. It is a little light. But I think that's good. Because I'll be able to. Pocket it. And carry it easily. Like. It's not heavy. It's not going to get in the way. And I've really enjoyed. Using it. And the. The feel of it. Is. Is really. Really cool. And. You know. The set. And the sections. Right on the money. So. I inked this up. When I got home. And. And. I've been using it. A bunch actually. So. I'm very happy. With this pen. And one thing. One thing Ryan does. Which every time I screw it on. Like. He really focuses on. With these patterns. You can tell he lines them up. Right. You can even see it in the picture. Of the one. That I've got. Like. The swirls. And the. The knots. And the wood. Line up when you close the pen. Which is really. Really cool. You don't want to see that stuff. You know. All. All misaligned. So. He. He definitely takes the care to. Turn them in the right way. So they. They end up. Lining up when you. Screw on the cap. So.

Myke Hurley: Oh.

Myke Hurley: It's nice. I'm pretty. That's attention to detail. My friend. I like that.

Brad Dowdy: That is. And everything. And even. So not just that lines up. But also. The. Most.

Brad Dowdy: Um. What would you say? Almost like the most showy part of the pen. Like. The. The prettiest part of the pen. Where. All the swirls are. Like. The barrel side. That's also lined up. To where you grip the pen. So that's on the top. Right. So. That's not the part hidden underneath. On the cusp of your hand. When you're writing. You get to see the fancy. So you get to see the real benefit. Yeah. You get to see the fancy. When you're writing. So. Like. It's. Uh. Everything about it. It's like. Set up perfectly. So like. Like. That's. Those are the things he considers. When he's. When he's making these pens. And. Um. You just. Can't help but be. Impressed with. With that work. And. I was impressed enough to. Uh. To buy this one. And take it home. So I finally got my first. Ryan Krusak pen. After about. I don't know. Two or three years of. Of talking with Ryan. Huh. So. And these are. These are cheaper than most of his pens. Right. But it's. Yeah. I think this one's $295. So. I mean. I say cheap. But it's relative. I mean. He has pens that. You know. Run a thousand dollars or more. Um. So. This was. You know. It didn't really matter. The price. You know. It was just whether a pen. Was going to fit my style. My needs. My aesthetic. The way I write. What I look for in a pen. And this just happened to be the one. So. I was super excited to get him. And I think he. He sold most of this model. While. While he was there at the show. Talking for him. I didn't get to talk to him when he left. But. I know at one point. He just had a few of them left.

Myke Hurley: Looks like a nice buy. What. What's. What nib is in there?

Brad Dowdy: Uh. A steel. Extra fine nib. And they look like just. Uh. The Joe. Nibs. And this one is hard as a nail. Which I. I really like. So. I'm digging it so far. And I inked it up with Pilot Orochizuku Sukiyo. Which is kind of a. A bluish. Bluish ink. And uh. Actually I wasn't sure. What I was going to ink this one up with. You know. I usually get a little bit matchy. With my pen barrels. But I didn't want. Uh. A brown or sepia ink in this. Or black. You can have a good yellow in there though.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. That could be. That could work. Nicely.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. I could definitely see that. So.

Myke Hurley: Good looking man. Anything else?

Pen Show Finds

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So the next pen was. Kind of. Um. A happy accident. This is one of those things you go to a pen show for. It's definitely. At least. So. Danitrios have been on. On my. Radar for years. Right. Because they have that Arushi look. Like the Nakayas. And I don't know if it's. Uh. Danitrio. Or Danitrio. I don't know. I kind of go with Danitrio. Because I like saying Danny. So I just. As a. Short. Uh. Short form of the word. But they're. Um. Arushi lacquered pens. And. They. All the ones I've seen in the past. They're really beautiful. I've almost bought one several times. They're all very expensive. And. They're all. Somewhat on the large. End of the scale. As far as. Length and width. Okay. Of the pen.

Brad Dowdy: This one. I just happened to. Some. This was a guy. Who had two folders of pens out. Right. You know. Those big 48. Count. You know. Folders. Zip folders. That you just. Open up and display. So. That's all. That was his entire show. He was like. Sharing a table with someone. Had two of these. Laid out on the table. And that was it.

Myke Hurley: Why do people do that Brad?

Brad Dowdy: Well. He wanted to sell some pens.

Myke Hurley: Is he like. Do you ever think. This is what this person does. Or they just. Had some pens. I wanted to sell. And just grabbed a table.

Brad Dowdy: I think he was just a guy. Who was a collector. And had some pens. He wanted to sell. And has a table. Interesting. Yeah. I don't think this is what he does. Okay. So. Yeah. So this is my Danny Trejo pen. Which. We definitely. We enjoyed. Yeah. Enjoyed that.

Myke Hurley: So I'm going to have to get. The joke is there is an actor. Danny Trejo. Right. And he. Who's amazing. Who you will recognize. Because he's been in everything.

Brad Dowdy: You know exactly who he is. Yeah.

Myke Hurley: He is a really great. Kind of. He's been. He's been. A leading role in a bunch of things. But he's a really great. Like supporting actor. Or like. A. A character actor.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. He's a great bad guy. Yeah. He's one of the more famous bad guys around. Yeah. And. Sidebar to that. Joey Feldman was there. With us. At the Van Es booth. Most of the weekend. We'll talk about that more in a second. But he has a. An image. A drawing. Of Danny Trejo. Which. Is awesome. So I might have to do something. For this pen. Maybe Danny Trejo. Holding a Danny Trejo. Or something like that. So yeah. Well. I told you. We'll work on that later. But anyway. I. I ran across this pen. And I'd never seen. It's a skinnier. Danny. Danny Trejo. God. I'm going to say that the whole. Rest of the show now. But that's okay. Because I enjoy it. It's a skinnier. Danny Trejo. Than I've seen in the past. Like I haven't seen this model. Around. And when I say skinnier. It's actually. A normal sized pen. Most of the Danny Trejos. Are larger. Than what I would consider. A normal sized pen. So this is like. Their smallest. Skinniest model. But it's actually. A completely normal sized. Pen. It's about the size. Of a Pilot 823. In fact. Which I don't think. Many people would consider. A small pen. Um. It's just got that shape. And that length. It just doesn't have the huge. Bulkiness. That a lot of Danny's have.

Brad Dowdy: You think you're going to slide that in. Right. I. I didn't. That one didn't. That was not on purpose. Okay. That. A lot of times. I do say those things on purpose. That one wasn't. I promise you. Okay. And there's probably going to be more. But. So this. Uh. This Danny Trejo. That. It also caught my eye. Because it's purple. And. You don't see that color. Like. In. Uh. A rushi lacquer very much. It looks like a blue. A very deep blue. But it's got a lot of purple. When you put it in the right light. Which is. Um. A color I really. Really enjoy. It's something you. Don't really see. Um. And. It's got a gold clip. And. A gold nib. And one of the things about these. Shorter. Ones. Is. It has a number five nib. So it's a gold nib. But it's got the smaller nib in it. So I didn't know a lot about this pen. But. Once I asked him the price. I knew I was going to buy it. Without even researching it. Um. Because I felt like it was a fair price. So I went and looked it up. Online. And it turns out this model is called the Hanrio. H-A-N-R-Y-O. And I don't see that it's currently. Being made. So. Or at least it's not made. Made. It's not sold by the vendors. Who normally would sell this. So it's probably still being made. Um. You just have to look in the right spots. But like nibs.com. In the U.S. Sells the Danitrio. And. I don't think they carry this model anymore. Because it's the little bit of a smaller model. But. Um. I love the color of it. Um. I love the nib of it. I love the artist's signature. On. The grip section. Which I posted a picture of. Um. On my Instagram last night. This. This is like a totally. Brad. You know. Japanese pen. Right. This is the one. And uh. It's very very cool. Um. Yeah.

Myke Hurley: The signature part is. Is amazing. Is really really amazing.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So again. Yeah. This Arushi. It's a lighter weight pen. You know. Arushi over ebonite. It's a light weight pen. But this is with the style that I like. You know. The Nakaya's. It's the same shape. Same style. Um. I definitely have a style. That I enjoy using. And. This is a pen that I just happen to be wandering around. Uh. Dan and Trios are always on my radar. And I almost bought one in DC. But I didn't. Um. Because it would have blown all my budget. It was over twice of what I paid for this one. And um. So I think. I paid $550 for this one. I'll just say it out there. Because. Just to give people an idea. Of what these pens go for. That's actually. All the ones in DC. That I was looking at. Were over a thousand. Um. So I felt that. Even though it's smaller. It was a really good price. And. It looks like I got a good price on it. Just looking at what they normally go for. And it looks brand new. It was. Inked before. But. I mean. There's not. A flaw on it. You know. It has all the box. And papers. And all that stuff. So. I was. Uh. Pretty ecstatic with that purchase. Um. Just because. I. Came upon it randomly. You know. You just found it. Essentially in a pile of pens. Mm-hmm. So. Um. You know. And he had lots of great stuff. Actually. I could have bought another. He had a bunch of Omos's I liked. But I didn't want to spend any more money. So. You know. That was. That was. Those two pens capped me off. But. I was so happy with them. Like. I didn't. I wasn't jonesing for any other pen. You know. You get in a pen show like that. And you're in a room. With a hundred vendors. Or a hundred tables. And you just can't help. But kind of go a little bit wild. Like. You're just. Well. Just one more thing. Or I'll just get this thing. I've been there. Yeah. Yeah. And. I bought both of those. I didn't buy anything on Friday. I bought both of those on Saturday. And. I really didn't even look at anything on Sunday. Like. I was. I was good. I was super happy with those two pens. And. That was it. That's all I needed. I was. I. I thoroughly. Thoroughly. Enjoy both of them so far. Got them inked up. And. I'm very happy with my. With my. With my purchases.

Myke Hurley: Good stuff. Anything else on the show? On the pen show?

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. One more thing. Yep. Joey Feldman was there. And he was my roommate for a couple of nights. And. He's awesome. And he did artwork. Um. I don't know if you know this. Or have heard this. But he bought a Mont Blanc 149. So. Uh. I just wanted you. To be aware. It's a really amazing. Amazing pen. And. Uh. He's a wonderful guy. And he did some artwork. There's some pictures of us. I. I took. Um. You know. Doing a. Um. Doing artwork for Van S. At the show. And. Had these prints done by. Skylab Letterpress. Which is Anna's husband. And. And. He was adding some color. To them. For anyone. Who. Who made like a purchase over $50. At the Venice table. And it was just so cool. Everyone was so excited to see him. And. And. Watch him do his thing. And. I just wanted to thank him. For giving us. Uh. Some prizes. To give away. At the. Pen Addict event. On. Uh. Friday night. Which went. Really. Really well. And. Um. Yeah. That was pretty much it. It was just cool. Having him around. Hanging out with him. And. Uh. He bought a Montblanc 149. Which you should know about.

Myke Hurley: Why should I know about it?

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. You just should. It's an impressive pen. It's a 149.

Myke Hurley: I'm looking at it right now. I. I don't know if there's some. If I'm missing something here. Like. Yeah. What about the 149?

Brad Dowdy: That. Joey bought one.

Myke Hurley: I don't know what's happening. What are you doing to me?

Brad Dowdy: You should just know that. That's all. All right. It's an amazing pen.

Myke Hurley: Okay. All right. Why do you. You freak me out with these things. I never really know what you're talking about. I'm sure this will come up later. Right. This is what I assume. Some point later. In the show. This will come up. Right. I guess.

Brad Dowdy: I don't even know.

Myke Hurley: I'm looking at pictures of it right now. And that. Yeah. Yeah. It is a great looking pen. I like the little ink window.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway. It was. To wrap. Wrap up the. The San Francisco pen show. If I'm coming to the West Coast. And bringing knock out there. It's. We're going to San Francisco. Killer show. Killer promoters. They do it right. They were super helpful for all the pen addict stuff. That we did on Friday night. The. The people. And the vendors. And everyone I met out there. Were. Were. Nothing short of amazing. You know. I talk about. Like every show. I've been to. Most of them anyway. Get. These glowing. Glowing recommendations. But. This was. This was definitely. A wonderful show. And. If you're. Anywhere out there. On the West Coast. Or want to make a trip. I would highly recommend. Going to the show. It was just fun. It. From. Top to bottom. It was fun. You know. I know. Every night. I am just. Dead. Tired. And exhausted. So you know. You've been busy. And so you know. It's a good show. So. Yeah. It was fantastic. So. I will. Be back to San Francisco. Hopefully next year.

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Brad Dowdy: One other mention of one of the things they have in their deals for us. Is the Sale Astoria pigmented ink. So people ask for a color pigmented ink that's permanent. The Sale Astoria is the way to go. It's not for everyday normal fountain pen use. But if you're looking for a pigmented ink. And you use it in a pen that you're going to clean out regularly. It's a really, really good deal. So yeah. There's that. But related to your Fisher Space pen. That was kind of good timing there. Because I made a podcast appearance on Gear Geeks Live. Which is our friend Tony from Everyday Commentary. I've been on their show before. He asked me to come back and talk tactical pens. And you know what the, why that is a thing.

Myke Hurley: What is a tactical pen?

Brad Dowdy: You should listen to the show, Myke. Maybe I will.

Brad Dowdy: It's, I mean, Tony and I are on the same page. And we essentially think they're a joke. You know, it's not really a thing. It's just a marketing thing for an expensive metal pen. With all kinds of gaudiness added to it. That is really not functional. But we talk about the Fisher Space pen a lot. And pens that use that refill. Most of the tactical pens use the Fisher Space pen refill. But we actually talk about pens that we enjoy. That use the Fisher Space pen refill. Which neither of us consider tactical pens. So listen to it. It's hilarious. It's just, this is like if me and Tony were like saddled up to the bar. And having a couple beers conversation.

Brad Dowdy: It's just real fun. And I mean, it probably takes us like 15 or 20 minutes to even get into the topic. But we have some, we have just some, some good things we, we riffed on and we got on the tactical pens. And by the end of it, we had to wrap it up because we were just laughing too hard at the bro jewelry that, that Tony wanted to talk about. You know, when you get into these gaudy knives and, and skull bracelets and stuff that some of these guys are selling. We just kind of went off on a tangent there. But it was a, it was a fun episode. And you should listen to it if you want to, if you want to laugh.

Myke Hurley: All right. So I have a conundrum. Yes. So this is something that I'm afraid everyone's going to hear about for a long time. But I'm moving, hopefully. We're close. No way. We're close. No way. We're close. So hopefully we're going to be moving soon. So as part of that, I need to think about moving my gear or my pens or my paper or all my inks. I need to think about this. And then also, once we moved, I want better solutions for storing this stuff. Right now, it's kind of feels like it's not optimal. And the system that I got hasn't really, hasn't really scaled very well. So I wanted some suggestions from you as to how might be a better way for one, for me to move this stuff. Like when you've ever moved or, yeah, I remember you moving while we were doing this show, right? Yep. Yep. How did you make sure that everything was good? And how do you move like boxes and boxes of notebooks properly? And then kind of what storage systems shall I be considering going forward?

Brad Dowdy: So the moving stuff is easy, but I think it's going to be tough for you. Because as we were talking about before the show, you just mentioned in passing that you're not actually going to have a car to take things from place to place. And I always want to move things like my pens and inks myself, right? I don't want those in the mover's hands. Notebooks, I'm fine with. You can pack up the notebooks in a box. You know, just make sure it's packed tight. Make sure it's padded. And the movers, I wouldn't hesitate for them to move like notebooks and paper goods. Pens and inks are a little bit different story because they just may not kind of get it like what's in there. They're going to treat every box that you have written on fragile the same, right? And which means they're probably not going to give a rip about your fragile designation if you are using a mover. So I would find a way, if at all possible, to move those pens and inks yourself. Even if you have to rent out a car for a day, borrow a day, I would really, I mean, I think you're going to get to the point where that actually might be a feasible thing for you to do for a day. Just so you can move those very important things that you don't want broken. You don't want other people's hands on. And pack them up yourself and kind of, you know, keep them aside from everything else just so you can move them yourself. That's the biggest thing, in my opinion. I mean, sometimes it's unavoidable. So, you know, moving ink, you know, the bottles are heavy, the box is heavy. You know, you add 20, 30 bottles into a box, you're kind of playing with fire there. No matter how good you wrap them up, there's liable to be some damage. So whatever you can do, I would figure out a way to move them yourself.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, I'm thinking that what I'm, what my ideal would probably be, would be to do something where the paper is moved. And you think it's fine to just put it, put it all in a box, right? Because isn't that going to be real heavy? You just don't, it's just like, whatever. What do you think that way? Just throw it all in boxes, like it's going to be fine. All right. And then the pens, like I will put some stuff in boxes. Mm-hmm. And I'm going to put my expensive stuff in a bag that will be on my person. Yeah. Like my really special pens, like the things that mean the most to me, they're not going to be handled by anybody other than me.

Brad Dowdy: Right. Cindy in the chat room actually has a very good idea. Since you were talking about packing suitcases with your clothes, you could intersperse some of the ink as you go in there. Yeah. That would be pretty easy. They're not going to get banged around. They'll be padded well. And you don't have to overload it. You don't have to do it all at once. Yeah.

Myke Hurley: But I'll just throw it all in a Ziploc bag and put it in, you know. Yeah. It should be fine. And I don't have a lot of ink to move. The ink is so much of an issue for me. Mm-hmm. But that is how you could do it, right?

Brad Dowdy: Right. So when you get there, the storage thing is tough. I still struggle with this. I have a dedicated shelf in a closet that's got like four shelves in it, but it's not very wide. It's probably three, four feet wide. And it's just overflowing, unorganized. You know, ink's on one shelf and then kind of everything else is just a free-for-all. And it's just not a great solution. It's kind of the only solution I have right now. I did just buy some plastic bins to reorganize because it's getting to a point where it's driving me insane.

Myke Hurley: So you keep them all in kind of plastic containers, like big plastic containers, and then they go on shelves.

Brad Dowdy: Right. But, I mean, what ends up happening is everything sits on top of the plastic containers until I feel like dealing with it, right? So I have a closet with bins in it, and then on top of the bins is just stuff, right? Because it's either the bins are full or, you know, all the stuff needs to be organized into the proper bin, things like that. So it's definitely a mess. I want to organize it more. But, you know, I'd like to separate some of the stuff a little bit better. Just so when I do get something new and it needs to go into the closet, I can walk in and put it where it needs to go instead of kind of setting it on top of something and dealing with it later, which is what I do. So I get to the point where I just have the junk everywhere. Then I'll go in and take some time and put it where it needs to go, but then I'll just junk it right back up. So need a little bit. I would set up that kind of organization up front to where, you know, ink's going to go here. Pens are going to go here. Notebooks are going to go here and try to stick with it as best as you can. But it just depends on the space. Depends on what you want to do. Depends on if you want to display anything. Like, do you want to have some pens out? Do you want to have some notebooks out? You know, that kind of stuff.

Myke Hurley: Okay. So I'm thinking about like having some storage stuff out. So like having some of my dudak blocks and stuff like I have now. But I'm thinking about like finding better ways to store things like field notes and stuff like that. Like I have my two archival boxes, but they're full. And I don't want to keep buying those because I'll just end up with way too many of them. So I'm thinking about getting like a big container to put those in and thinking more about like whatever it is that I end up going with. I pick something that scales. So like buy more space than I need like in boxes and stuff and plan for that because it grows over time, right? Right.

Brad Dowdy: And like I've hit capacity in where I'm at right now.

Office Organization

Myke Hurley: So considering I'm kind of building up an office like from scratch, then it might work for me.

Brad Dowdy: That's actually one of the things that I'm working on doing is moving some of this stuff to my office. Yeah. Like all my field notes are just in a bin. Like I've got the, I have like the retail, like the little fold, you know, the cardboard display for retail. Like I want to put a bunch in there and put it in my office and just, you know, have like a little setup like that. You know, I have a bunch of pins and cases in the closet that I would like to have displayed or organized better. You know, there's, there's things like that, that I can move out of the closet that I would rather have like in my office. But I just, I just haven't figured all that out yet. You know, I don't have any shelves in my office, you know, to put things on. So, you know, do I need to add some shelving? That kind of stuff. I think about it all the time because like my storage right now is a super, super mess. Like I have stuff on top of my desk, under my desk that hasn't even made it into the closet because it can't fit.

Myke Hurley: And it's. I have stuff in like a box under my bed and I don't want it there anymore. Like I want it, you know, I want to be able to move things around and put them in places. And because one of the things I'm going to be doing for my office is I'm going to be buying a bunch of storage solutions. And that's just going to be a thing where I can just put a bunch of stuff. Right. With pens being something that's going to occupy, you know, a selection of that. So this, I was just wondering like what you do and it sounds like you have as many problems as I am.

Brad Dowdy: I totally do. Like every, every time I think I might have a solution, you know, it ends up being a fail in like a month when new stuff happens. Yeah.

Myke Hurley: If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them. So like I'm thinking of going to kind of the IKEA route of a bunch of my stuff. Right. And I'm going to be buying some shelves and they do these like kind of stackable units that are basically squares, like empty squares. And you can Kallax, that's it. Crazy Bubbles in the chat room has just mentioned it. The IKEA Kallax range is what I'm probably going to end up going with because they're pretty expandable. And they have a bunch of different sizes and you can just put things straight on them like shelves or you can also buy like boxes that can go in them.

Myke Hurley: Right. So like you can either just have it showing or you can buy a box that fits in this square shelving unit. So I'm thinking about going this route and like it will be a great way for me to have some storage, which could end up maybe being a bit expandable over time. So this is probably the route that I'm going to end up going with.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. That sounds really good. Actually, something I need to look at.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. So that's, yeah. Obviously, young people these days, new home. We're obviously going to IKEA. Do you have an IKEA near you?

Brad Dowdy: In Atlanta. So, yeah, I could totally get to it. But I've never been. But that would be something to be useful for me. The one thing I hate about figuring all this stuff out are the pen boxes. They're the worst. They're my enemy.

Myke Hurley: Oh, I very rarely keep a pen box.

Brad Dowdy: I know. I used to not. And then, you know, if I wanted to sell something or ship something to someone, well, I kind of feel like, well, I should ship the box. But I really, I went through a batch and threw out just tons and tons of boxes. And now I've been keeping them again. But now, like, all my space for boxes is full. And it's just dumb. I hate boxes. I hate packaging.

Myke Hurley: I only have, like, a couple of them that are, like, super special or nice. But I tend to just get rid of them. Like, initially, I was keeping them all. And, like, keeping boxes of old products and stuff, like computer products and stuff that I bought. And recently, I was like, what am I doing with all of these? Because, like, I recently found I have the empty box of every single iPhone ever made. And I want to get rid of, I'm going to be getting rid of those. Like, it was funny. We were going through stuff. They didn't want me to go through stuff. And I started, like, making a pile of things to throw out. And she's like, oh, you shouldn't throw those. I'm like, why? It was weird. Like, it got turned on its head where she was telling me to get rid of empty boxes. And then was making me keep them.

Brad Dowdy: Mm-hmm.

Myke Hurley: But, yeah. So, I, a while ago, was just like, this is crazy. Like, I'm just keeping empty pieces of cardboard. Yep. So, yeah. I'm going to be getting away from that. Crazy Bubbles in the chat room also recommends Muji stuff. I'll put some links in the show notes to the Muji stuff. You have a Muji in London? Yeah, we do. We have actually a couple. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah. But I could, I can buy on, you can buy online. Yeah.

Myke Hurley: So, yeah. I might, I might do that. Their stuff's good. And I know people really like it. But I'm more of an Ikea person than a Muji person. Just from, like, an aesthetic. Sure. Because, like, a lot of Muji stuff, like, even this joint, it's like thin, clear plastic. It's their kind of thing. And I don't really like that. I like kind of the covered wood that Ikea stuff tends to be. That's my kind of, it's a bit more rugged. Not that I'm rugged, specifically. But it's just a little bit more to my aesthetic liking.

Brad Dowdy: Well, now's your chance, right? Setting up a new place. This is it, right?

Myke Hurley: I'm in the perfect position right now to establish something going forward.

Brad Dowdy: But, right. So, no pressure. But you got to nail it. And leave room for growth.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. That's it, right? So, one of the things that I like about this Ikea system is it's expandable. Yeah. So, I could buy another unit and put it on top. Right. Right. Right. So, that's going to work for me. All right. I think that brings us to the end of this week's episode. Yes, sir. If you want to find our show notes for today, head on over to relay.fm slash penaddict slash 220. Thank you so much to the Pen Chalet for sponsoring this week's show. If you want to find Brad online, he is on Twitter. He is at dowdyism, D-O-W-D-Y-I-S-M. He is penaddict on Instagram. And you can find him over at penaddict.com and knock.co. Anything on the horizon, knock-wise?

Brad Dowdy: Yes.

Pen Addict Members

Myke Hurley: We'll leave that there for today, I think. Let's put a pin in that. We've got a yes.

Brad Dowdy: There's some stuff happening. It's exciting. Soon. We'll talk soon. Like, very soon.

Myke Hurley: Interesting. I'm Myke, I-M-Y-K-E. I don't have any exciting things happening soon that you can benefit from. We are working on Brad's and my Pen Addict Members episode. Woo-hoo! Also very soon. Hopefully by the time you've heard this. Definitely within a few days of this posting. So you can look out for that. Go to relay.fm slash membership to find out more. Become a member. Support the show. We'd appreciate it a lot. And yeah, that would be really great. And then you'll get a lovely members episode. A special bonus episode of the Pen Addict for your listening enjoyment. We will be back next week for a regular show as always. And then maybe the week after, we might have a little special episode planned, right? Yeah. No pressure, Brad. Maybe. Maybe. As part of the house buying process. Yes.

Brad Dowdy: A little after show for everyone. I might need to fill in a little time in a week or so. So we're going to see. Nothing planned yet.

Myke Hurley: As part of both my house buying process and travel, I might not be around for an episode. So I'm planning to go to XOXO in Portland, but I don't actually, as we, right now, I don't actually know if I'm going. Everything's booked, but I might have to cancel. And everything's kind of all up in the air right now. So...

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So he's planning on me, if he's not there, figuring out what to do for the show. So... That's how I roll. That's as far as we've gotten.

Myke Hurley: Yeah.

Brad Dowdy: We have a plan. Plan is in place. The plan is for Brad to figure it out if you're not here.

Myke Hurley: Yes. Well, I mean, you're not giving yourself enough credit. You've already given me multiple options of things that you want to do. I have. And they all sound like a lot of fun.

Brad Dowdy: But I just haven't started to do them because I can't finalize a date. I can't say, hey, on this date at this time, would you like to do this? And we might not do it. Well, you could just do it. I know.

Myke Hurley: We could. Don't worry about me. Just do it. If you get... This is completely unnecessary for the show. But if you get that person to agree, just do that episode and we'll put it out that week whether I'm here or not.

Brad Dowdy: True.

Myke Hurley: How about that?

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. People are sick of you. So that's good. There you go.

Host Replacement

Myke Hurley: So, yeah. In two weeks time, you can say goodbye to me. Brad will be replacing me. Yes. This will be the second time that that's happened. Right? Because there was a time when I... Stephen's done it once. Oh, yeah. Just me and Stephen did it. Just Anna and I did it once, I think. I think you were going to, but I don't think it ended up needing to be. You... And you also did that episode with Aziza as well, where she spoke about... Tasting Ink.

Brad Dowdy: Which was a great episode. I was sick. It turned out to be one of the best episodes we ever did. And there's kind of interesting that you weren't on it.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. I could just quit. Right? And then... And then it's on you.

Brad Dowdy: You can't quit me, Michael. That's true. We have gone off the rails.

Myke Hurley: Thanks so much for listening, everyone. We'll be back next week. Say goodbye, Brad.

Brad Dowdy: Goodbye, Brad.