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The Pen Addict Podcast Transcript
Episode:	162
Title:	Watching Ink Dry
Release Date:	July 6th, 2015
Hosts:	Brad Dowdy Myke Hurley
Guests:	Ed Jelley
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Official page:	Episode 162
Audio File:	Audio Episode 162
Podcast page:	The Pen Addict 162
Length:	5959 min <br />0.983 h <br /> minutes
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Ed Jelley: From RelayFM, this is The Pen Addict, episode 162. This week's show is brought to you by our friends over at lynda.com, where you can find thousands of courses on great topics taught by industry experts, and also by our friends over at Pen Chalet, where you're going to get great pens at great prices, with a 100% satisfaction guarantee. My name is Myke Hurley, and today I am blessed to be with a great pairing. A pairing kind of like peanut butter and jelly. But first, here's Brad Dowdy.

Brad Dowdy: My god, you're terrible.

Ed Jelley: I know I am, and our other guest today is Mr. Ed Jelly, who probably is now regressions back to high school and doesn't ever want to talk to me again.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, no, it's fine. I'll deal with it. At least for the next hour.

Retro 51 Tornado

Brad Dowdy: So, we need a Retro 51 PB&J Tornado. That's going to be your next pen, Myke. So, there you go.

Ed Jelley: I wouldn't mind that. Actually, I'm allergic to peanuts, so it would be a bit of a problem.

Brad Dowdy: Okay, okay. Well, you and my daughter both. Well, Ed, how's it going?

Myke Hurley: Pretty good. I've upgraded. I've upgraded to good. Good. It's going swell.

Brad Dowdy: Upgraded to good. Well, it looks like it's going swell. It's been like a year since we talked. If I was a professional podcaster, I would have written down the last date and episode number that we talked. But it's been like a year, I would say. It's been a year. And a lot's been happening with you. Lots of good stuff going on, and we're going to get into all that. So, I'm glad you joined us today. I appreciate you coming on.

Myke Hurley: Thanks for having me back.

Ed Jelley: Would you believe that it's not been since episode 98?

Brad Dowdy: 98? 98. So, that's like a year and a half. March 19th. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. That's a long time.

Myke Hurley: That was a long time. It felt like yesterday.

Brad Dowdy: And honestly, it does. It's crazy. These episode numbers are getting so large now, it kind of all runs together. It doesn't seem that long ago, but if you do the math, it's actually, wow, that's a pretty long time ago. So, we've got a bunch of new stuff we want to get into today, Myke. Does that work for you?

Ed Jelley: I would love it.

Pen Type A Kickstarter

Brad Dowdy: All right. So, did you ever get into the Pen Type A Kickstarter way back in the day? You remember that? I know we've talked about that a million times because we've had some things to discuss about it. Did you, you never, you're never a high-tech C guy, so you never got into the Pen Type A, right?

Ed Jelley: No, I never, I never really, it was never really my bag. Just because I'm not a big high-tech C guy. I mean, the Pen Type A, the body itself is very pretty looking. And I can see why people like it with the ruler and such. But no, it was never my thing.

Brad Dowdy: And what about you, Ed? Did you ever get into the Pen Type A back in the day?

Myke Hurley: No, I mean, I saw it and I thought it was cool. And like, I think that was really when I was like, oh man, that's really expensive. And now I've kind of like dabbled and now I'm still kind of like, it's really expensive, but it's cool.

Brad Dowdy: It's still totally expensive. But I'm bringing that up because Sae Wei and Taylor from CW&T, they're coming out with a revised model of the Pen Type A. And, you know, it's just something I wanted to mention. They've been good friends to me over the years and they reached out saying that they are, it's basically called the Architect Scale now. And they've redesigned the, basically the ruler piece on the, for the Architect Scale. It's all laser etched and all the rulers are nice. You can get it in imperial or metric measurements. You know, it's the same shape and design. It just looks more refined, if you will. So we'll have the link to that in the show notes for people who missed out on the Pen Type A. And if you did miss out on the Pen Type A, there's lots of story to go along with that. And you should, you should check out, you know, all the podcasts we've done on it. And, you know, all the blog posts on it. There was all kinds of things going on with that. That was one of the first, that was the first Kickstarter drama I think I was involved in. And that was the first, like, really long running, obscenely crazy project that, that ran on Kickstarter. That just took, I don't know, maybe a good year than, than it's when it first, when it first launched. So, yeah. So I just thought I'd point that out there for anyone interested into, into that. And, and it, it, you know, I traded my Pen Type A and I'm kind of missing it. So I traded it for a rotary back in the day. So I don't know, I might have to get back into one of these. So another, another, another pen.

Ed Jelley: I wouldn't mind something like this as a pencil.

Brad Dowdy: You know? Yeah, I don't, I don't know if they ever did a pencil component for that or, or what exactly. So, um, yeah, I, I'm not sure if they, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm racking my brain because it seems like I've seen something from them pencil wise, but, uh, I, I don't think so. But yeah, that would be cool. Another one that's pretty cool that did land on Kickstarter that I backed is the SS001. Um, it's a mini pen and stylus. Um, Scott emailed me, Scott, Scott Savage is the creator of this one. And he emailed me and I just checked it out. I get tons and tons and tons of email. I'm sure you do add to, and I'm sure Myke, you get a bunch as well. And he sent me this one, you know, just say, Hey, check it out. And, you know, I, I check almost all these things out and I rarely back any of them these days. I just, you know, there's only so much, uh, so many differences you can get, um, in all these different projects, but I thought this one looked pretty cool. It's a, it's a really nice mini pen. I, I could do without the stylus, but it has a flat end cap, so you can take the stylus off, but it might come in handy. So I did back this one. So I'm just throwing this out there for anyone who's looking for a good mini pen. Um, and it actually takes the, the, uh, Parker size refill in this, in this mini component. Uh, pen, not necessarily the D one refill that some of the other smaller pens like this do. Do you, do you carry a small pocket type pen like this? Ed, do you, do you have anything like this in your, in your carry arsenal, which we're going to talk about later?

Myke Hurley: Um, I have a Fisher space pen, like the bullet pen that works, uh, just fine. Cause it's small. I forget it's in my pocket and I tend to wear the same jeans a lot. So it just kind of hangs out there until I need it, which is cool. And, uh, I believe it's called the move EDC pen that has like a built-in machined loop that goes right on the key ring, which is pretty cool. And it's built around, uh, when those little barrel shaped Lamy ballpoint cartridges. I know exactly.

Brad Dowdy: That's a really good pen. I, I, I reviewed that one. I really, it's really well made.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. That's what I noticed about it. Like I'm like, ah, this looks like it could be a little cheap. And then I got it and I was like, oh, this is great. And, uh, that kind of floats on and off the key chain because I have enough junk hanging off my keys that, you know, I have to choose selectively. And if I have a pen in my pocket, I probably don't need one on my keys too. In addition to 10 more in my bag. So.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Yeah. So we're, we're going to, we're going to talk about this, this key chain thing. Cause I, I have a, I have more of a discussion on that, but, uh, we've, we've, we've got a lot to talk about it. You and I had.

Ed Jelley: I'll be here too.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Hey Myke, how's it going?

Ed Jelley: I'm good. How are you?

Brad Dowdy: Do you, do you, do you carry any type of pocket pen? No. Like non fountain pen. Yeah. I didn't think you, like if you're taking your field notes out, like if you throw your field notes in your pocket and you're going down to the coffee shop, what pen comes with you?

Ed Jelley: Whatever I'm most recently using. Like it, it, it, I don't. Yeah.

Brad Dowdy: Clip it to your shirt, clip it to your pocket, whatever. It doesn't matter.

Ed Jelley: I clip it to the field notes all goes in the pocket or throw it in one of my lovely knock products. Nice. You know, maybe, maybe in a little fodder stack or something, you know?

Brad Dowdy: Okay, cool. Yeah. That's perfect. Perfect. Little, uh, carry kit. The only thing about this SS001, if you scroll down and look at some of the images, when that, uh, model name is flipped upside down. It spells loss. Um, so that's not necessarily a great thing. Thought I'd point that out. I can't get that out of my head now.

Brad Dowdy: I don't know. So anyway, it looks like a cool pen and, uh, I hope it backs cause I kind of want this one. So I hope it, I hope it gets fulfilled.

Ed Jelley: Well, it won't now you've ruined the branding.

Brad Dowdy: I know. Sorry. Um, I've never not been called a jerk. So does that make sense?

Ed Jelley: I think that was a double negative.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So does that mean I'm a jerk?

Ed Jelley: Maybe.

Brad Dowdy: Okay.

Ed Jelley: Yeah.

Brad Dowdy: That's pretty much what I get. Well, this, okay. This will clear up any jerkness, uh, on my part right here, Myke. So I have an awesome reader of the, of the blog, Margaret listener of the podcast. She's got a daughter named Maggie and Maggie is into all the pens that mom's into. And Maggie's a fan of the pilot friction. So she wrote and said, my daughter did this great review of the pilot friction. I think she's like nine. I had to go back and look at it. She did a great review of the pilot friction and she wanted me to share it with you. And it was a video review. And it was, it's hilarious. I mean, it's just two little girls doing just this funny little pen review. They're in their own little world. And there's this whole little backstory to it. So to prove that I'm not the jerk that you say I am, Myke, um, we're going to put this link in the show notes. I got permission. I got permission from her. Um, and, uh, I'm sorry. Uh, Maggie's the name. Uh, the mom is Brit, I think. Yeah, Brit. I got them confused, but we're going to put this in the show notes because this will warm your heart. And, you know, it, it just shows that pen fans start young. This is when I was started to become a pen addict when I was this age. And, um, it, it's really cool to see the excitement of kids. Like I see it with my kids, you know, like they like to see all the new stuff that I get and we, we, you know, unpack it and we talk about what each little pen does or pencil does and how there's all these different kinds and, you know, which ones can they have when I'm done with them and things, you know, that's very important to them. So check out this review. Um, I, I did get the, get the permission to link this into the show notes and you guys should watch it because it cracked me up seriously. So do it.

Ed Jelley: I just want you to know that I don't think you're a jerk.

Lamy Pens

Brad Dowdy: Okay. Thank you. I don't think I am either. Good. I I'm, I'm a realist, Michael. I keep it real. All right, Myke. So you own a Lamy 2000, right? Uh, you bet I do. And you're a big fan. I'm very much so. And Mr. Jelly, you own a Lamy 2000, right?

Myke Hurley: I have two of them. I have the stainless steel and the regular. Yes. Show off.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So, uh, I would say you're, you're a big fan as well, right?

Myke Hurley: Uh, yeah, that's my, my number one.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. That's what I thought. So I am a Lamy 2000 guy as well. I own two of them, uh, not stainless steel, one extra, extra fine and one, uh, broad that I've had into turned into a stub nib. And this is consistently one of the best fountain pens on the market. Um, it's the right price point. It's the right style. It's the right look. It's the right feel for so many people. And I know I recommend it a lot. I know Ed, you recommend it all the time. And, uh, I, I just wanted to point out for those who didn't see it, good friend of the show, uh, Josh Ginter, who writes for tools and toys and also has his own blog at the newsprint did one of the best Lamy 2000, one of the best pen reviews I've ever seen. He did a really, really good job, um, in his Lamy 2000 review. So I wanted to point that out, um, just so, you know, people are seeing the good work that Josh does. I'm a big fan of Josh and his writing style and his photography and his thoroughness in, in this review. He went, um, he went really deep in this review. Um, every centimeter of the pen is covered and the photography is great. Not quite Ed Jelly level. Let's, you know, just go ahead and get that out there. It's, it's up there though. You know, Josh, uh, Josh takes his, I was gonna say Josh takes his photography seriously. Like you do, Mr. Jelly.

Myke Hurley: I try. My notes were awesome photos and very informative. That's the, that's the bullet points.

Brad Dowdy: It is. And it, uh, this is the, the epic length Lamy 2000 post, but it was fascinating. I mean, this is a pen, it seems like I know everything about, and then I just, I read this review from, from top to bottom and I really enjoyed it. So I wanted to make sure, um, you know, everyone else got a, uh, a chance to read it as well. So I wanted to make sure to share that. Um, I did already on Twitter and I wanted to put it in the show because I really, really like it. So good job there, Josh. All right, Myke, I want to talk about a couple other new pens, but, uh, let's talk about one of our good friends first.

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Brad Dowdy: So did you guys see the link making the rounds this week? And this may not be a new thing, but it's a new to me thing. The Ikea pen. Have you been aware of this item, Ed? Apparently they do pens, they do paper, kind of like a Muji-esque kind of thing. Or have you checked these out at all, Ed?

Myke Hurley: I saw a thing. I saw probably the same link where it was just like some crazy Swedish name and they were gel pens and that's really as far as I got. I was like, huh.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. That was pretty much it. I think, I think huh is being kind to the pen. The pen is really bad looking. I mean, Stephen who did the review did an awesome review of the pen. I'm not even going to attempt to pronounce it. It's the, it's F-U-L-L-F-O-L-J-A. I'm not going to pretend to pronounce it. But, and it's $1.99 a three pack at Ikea, but I just can't get behind this at all. It looks hideous. I mean, it's, it is like this mold injected barrel that looks like it just, they plopped it out of the molding and threw it in a package. It looks completely unfinished. It's, you know, I know Ikea, you know, like Muji, they want to keep it simple and plain, but this is like to the extreme and, but I mean, I, I guess you can't really complain about $1.99 for a three pack. It's a pen. It writes, but I think that's probably the only good thing I'm going to be able to say about it. I did see somewhere where they do some paper products. I'll have to find that link. And it looked, I don't know, those that look like, look like they might at least have a shot. Uh, this pen on the other hand, um, does not have a shot. And, uh, I don't know that I would touch these with a, with a 10 foot pole. So it's a interesting idea. And I like to see companies doing this, I guess, but this one just looks like a super fail, but you know what? It's Ikea people rolling in the store. They'll, they'll throw these in there in their basket. They're spending hours at the store anyway, as it is. So, you know, just throw the $2 pack of pens in their, their cart and they'll be done with it and they'll be happy. But, uh, yeah, so maybe I'll get one of these, one of these one day to, uh, to review just to see. And, you know, maybe I'll be wrong, but, um, I don't have high hopes for this one at all. So Ed, what day are you showing up for the DC pen show?

Myke Hurley: Uh, well, I'm moving into my house on August 1st. So probably next year. Dang. At this rate. Yeah. Man. I know.

Brad Dowdy: I know.

Myke Hurley: Break the bad news on the show.

Brad Dowdy: It does. That stinks. I was, I was hoping you'd show up. I didn't know. That's why I wanted to put you on the spot, but that was a, that was a really good answer. That was a, that was a really, uh, really good answer. And, uh, you know, I'm, it was an excuse really that. Yeah. It was an excuse. You know, we'll, I still have time to guilt you into it. Right. We'll see.

Myke Hurley: Megabust from the city is like 30 bucks. So we'll see what happens.

Brad Dowdy: They would have to pay me more than that. To get on there. So we'll see. It could be an adventure. Yes. It could be an adventure. Now that I would like to see some periscopes from. So, uh, you can do that for us. But I mentioned DC because I wanted to make a correction from something I said, uh, last week. Uh, my good friend, Lisa Vannes, who is in the chat room today. Hi, Lisa. Everyone say hi to Lisa. She, uh, she's, uh, she's braving the chat room, um, which is a pretty scary thing to do. But I mentioned last week that, um, the owner of Bung Box would be attending the show. She actually is going to have a table there, um, which I am ecstatic about and sad about all at once because that's where all my money is going to go. They're going to bring some of their special edition pins, um, that sailor and pilot make for them. Um, and that just, I didn't have a budget or any particular shopping list, but it's probably going to all be done at the Bung Box table now. So, and also a great friend of the podcast, Mel, she, who, uh, shops at the Bung Box. She, you know, she mentioned the same thing to me that she is going to have a table and she's going to be bringing a bunch of stuff. And, uh, it's, I'm pretty excited about that.

Ed Jelley: Um, it's going to be a busy table.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, that's going to be kind of out of hand. And that, I don't know if this is her first trip to the States or the first pin show, but yeah, it's going to be pretty, pretty intense, but, uh, I will be over there front and center, whichever day she arrives, Thursday, Friday and checking out all the goodness because they have this, um, this pilot 91 and this blue finish that they had specifically made for the Bung Box store. And I don't know if they still have any, it was a limited edition. They might've sold them all out, but if she brings that to the show, I'm definitely coming home with one of those. So I did, um, come home, uh, to a new pin this weekend, Myke, I got my, I got my shinobian.

Ed Jelley: Oh man.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So we're going to have to talk about that and not today because I need some more time with it, but, um, everyone's asking me about it. I took, um, I took some, um, pictures over the, over the weekend, posting them up on Instagram. I'm having a lot of fun with this pin. It's a, it's really, really cool so far. So I just wanted to mention that and I'll post up some more, uh, photos on Instagram because people keep asking me about it. So I will do that here soon. And, um, just suffice to say, it's awesome. It's as awesome as I expected it to be. And I'm glad I got it. So, all right, Ed, we're getting, we're getting to you. We're almost there. We're almost to the, we're almost to the full ed and we just want to knock out the pin blog of the week, which is a brand new blog to me. And I only, um, discovered it two days ago. It's called just another pin blog. And it was, it was, um, gosh, what's his name? Jonathan who sent this to me. Okay. So I'm, I'm terrible. I can't find, I can't find his name. I'm sorry, but, uh, it's a really good, really good blog. It's laid out very, very well. And there's other great EDC posts on there. It's a fan of the Oto graphic liner, which I'm a huge fan of and talks about fountain pens. So everyone check out just another pin blog and we'll have that link in the show notes. All right, Myke, I'm chomping at the bit to talk to Ed about some very specific stuff he's been working on. So, uh, why don't you talk about one of our good friends and then let's get into it.

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Brad Dowdy: All right, I'm going to have to get that. I keep holding off. Ever since Platinum did the Rhodium trim for them on the 3776 is new. It's a new thing. They've always had the gold trim and it looks fine. You know, it's just black and gold, very standard. And I generally don't go for that. I have gold trim in some other pens, but generally not an all black pen with all gold furniture. These Platinum ones have been driving me crazy because I want one now because I've always wanted this pen. And I'm sorry, the Rhodium trims. I've always been wanting one and good grief. I don't know. I don't know that I could pass that deal up. So I'm going to I'm going to have to shop for this. I don't I don't have time to buy it on the show today like I have done in the past. But I'm going to I'm going to have to see if I can get in on that because what does it come to 126 or something? That's ridiculous. OK. Yeah. Sorry. I was not prepared for that price. That's pretty good.

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Brad Dowdy: Yeah, there it is. 121.50. That's pretty nuts. Pretty sweet, right? Gold NIM platinum pen. Yeah, very, very sweet. So I'll be checking out that out. Thanks, Ron. Thanks, Pen Chalet. And wow. OK, cool. Sorry, that really did legitimately caught me off guard. All right. So this caught me off guard, Ed, a couple of weeks ago. Oh, you broke the pen Internet. I did. You did. You totally did. And that's actually why I was like, I got to get you back on the podcast now, because you did. And not just a review for the new Jay Herban 1670 Emerald of Chauveur fountain pen ink that they're coming out with. You actually did the product shots and the product video for this. So. Set me up back from the beginning how this happened. So everyone who follows fountain pens and pens and things online saw this ink and saw the incredible videography and incredible pictures of just how amazing and all the features that this ink has. But I want to start before then. And how did it come about to where you actually worked with Jay Herban or Execlair, I'm assuming. Yeah. Who is the distributor in the US for them. Tell us how that all came to be and how you came to work on this project, because I think it's really cool. And I'm really impressed how it how it came out.

Myke Hurley: Thank you. First off, it goes back, like, I think, two and a half years at this point. I did like a video for my site, just like I'm going to play around video. And I guess through like, hey, do you want to send me some rodeo pads? And then they started following the site and then they saw the video and then they're like, hey, can you make a video for us? And then they like the first one, which is this is going back like two years. It was just they're like classic pad showcase. And now that I look at it, I'm like, oh, my God, I've gotten two and a half years better at doing this. Thank God. And they've just we've just always been in touch. And recently they had a nice little marketing budget and they contacted me to do some more videos and some photography for them. And they they is Karen and Sonny. They're both great people. They're based out of New York City. I'm on Long Island. So I just hop on the train. I go in there. We talk about, you know, what they want for their upcoming project. They feed me lunch. I'm very grateful. And then I go off and and literally film ink dry. Sounds thrilling. But I mean, to everybody listening, it is.

Brad Dowdy: That's exactly right. I mean, we are we're definitely, you know, into that type of minutiae where watching ink dry is actually something positive.

Myke Hurley: It's a thrilling prospect.

Brad Dowdy: It is. It is.

Myke Hurley: But yeah, that was pretty much it.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Exaclair is great. And they carry all kinds of great brands. Like you were saying, you know, Claire Fontaine, Rodia, Karen's awesome. She's been there for years. And so when it came. OK, so they said, hey, we've got this new ink that J. Herbon's getting ready to put out this summer. And it's in the same lineup of ink as, you know, the Rouge Hematite and the Blue Ocean. I forget the exact name of that one. And the Stormy Gray where it's got the like the gold sparkles in it.

Myke Hurley: Right.

Brad Dowdy: And, you know, I've been, you know, people love those things. You know, I'm not personally a huge fan, but it doesn't matter. They look awesome. You know, they they're visually stunning.

Myke Hurley: Right. Maybe not great for like everyday writing because of the gold and it's a little weird. But I mean, they're definitely like great fun. Let me load this up in like a broad or an italic or a stub or something.

Ink Properties

Brad Dowdy: Right.

Myke Hurley: Kind of inks.

Brad Dowdy: What this ink did was separate itself so far from those other three inks in what it the way it acts on paper. Tell me about actually using this ink and is it as great to use as it looked in your pictures and videos? Because I've never seen anything like this. I mean, I'm a big fan of blues and red sheens, but this is a whole nother level. Unlike any other ink I've seen before.

Myke Hurley: It really is. At first, like when I was taking the pictures, I'm like, oh, man, I hope everybody else has this experience because I don't want to be like the guy behind false advertising. But then like a couple of retailers have gotten their hands on bottles and I'm like, oh, yeah, it looks the same. Like a Goulet like theirs looks. Yeah. The gold and the red and the green and the shading. There's like four things going on with this ink. That's kind of like crazy. I did the video with like a folded nib, but then I also had it in a broad Lamy 2000. And, you know, it's just kind of like thinner version, but still the same thing. There's a ton of that super fine gold flake. There's the great shading from that like bright teal to almost like a dark green. And then like everything's like surrounded with a slight red edge to it. So it's it's got a lot going on and it's like super fun to just doodle around with even the regular right. Like I threw it in a pilot was a custom 72, 74, 74 fine nib. And it was it was still fun in there. It was like, you know, I prefer it in the super wide, you know, really see it on the page. But I think it's just as capable in the fine Japanese fine nib as it is in the other ones. But it's great. I mean, it doesn't it hasn't clogged anything yet. It's smooth. It's got good flow. Other, you know, can't really say anything bad about it. I really love it.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So the word on the street after the first batch of Stormy Gray came out was that they modified the formula. So the gold flake was, I guess, more manageable, like from a use and cleaning perspective, like it became finer.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, it's like a finer powder because it's got to be like some sort of powder floating in there. But it's definitely smaller in nature than it has been like the particles.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, that's really good. So do you have this in one of your daily carry pens? Would you carry this on a regular basis and, you know, leave it in your pen for a couple weeks?

Myke Hurley: Yeah. You know what? It's been in the Lamy 2000 for I've had the ink for a while and I had to keep my mouth shut about it, which is even worse because I found out about it like two and a half months ago and then like a month ago. And then like I'm like, ah, they're like, don't tell anybody, you know, and then you're like, but have you but have you seen this? I have to. Yeah. So I couldn't tell anybody relevant like which is just horrible. But it's been the Lamy 2000. I haven't fully cleaned it out. I haven't had any issues. It's still, you know, chugging ahead with the gold flakes. Not no difference. I've had no problems with it. Yeah. So it's been in that pen, which is with me all the time. Cool. Unfortunately, I have to send the bottle back. So I've just been kind of like filling everything with it. It's going to hold me over. So it's in my Twisby 580 aluminum and the Pilot Custom 74.

Ed Jelley: This looks, looking at your photos, this looks way more impressive than the Stormy Gray. Like the Stormy Gray for me just didn't really do anything.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. I don't think it's even close. I mean, like I'm not, I haven't been a fan of the Stormy Gray. I'm all in on this ink. This is like calling my name big time. So I can see me using this on the regular. What about, do you think you would, are you into this at all, Myke? I mean, I know, I don't know. I can't decide what you would, what you would do with this ink. Well, I feel like I know you well, but I don't know on this one.

Myke Hurley: And if you use this in like a medium or a fine nib. Yeah, I have it in the Pilot Fine. It still has like some of the same, you know, characteristics, but not as much magic, I guess you could say. Yeah. You still get the shading. You still get some of the, you know, the gold is obviously less pronounced and you get a little bit of that red outline. But it's really kind of, for me, I'd say like a medium and up kind of ink.

Ed Jelley: Like, you see, I like mediums. If it shows well in mediums, maybe, maybe I will try and pick up a bottle of this. Like, yeah, I think I'll, I think I'll go for it. What's the worst that can happen?

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, I, I think so too. I mean, I, I, you know, I, I bought the, the stormy gray with the, the same thing and I just couldn't get into it. There wasn't, there actually, the gold flakes didn't bother me as much as kind of the lack of shading. It was just kind of a dark gray ink and, you know, I have plenty of other grays that I enjoy more than that. So I, I gave it away, but this one I am all about, and I know, what is this coming out in August? I think is when this is a landing and retailers shelves. I think, um, I know some of them are taking, yeah, I think some of them are even taking pre-orders. I think gold spot might be doing pre-orders and things like that, but this is all the, the, when the stormy gray came out, it was pretty hyped ahead of time. And retailers had a hard time getting enough stock. Um, this is going to be way worse unless, unless J. Herbron, uh, plans ahead and ships way more. But, uh, I think this is going to be far and away the best of that series. And it's not even going to be close. I think this is going to be, this is going to be the hot ink for the rest of the year. I'm pretty certain. So, well, yeah, you did it. Yeah, you did it. You did an amazing job and that, you know, and I think you're part of making it big just because of the, the pictures and video you did for it. Honestly, I mean, I've watched it several times and, um, you know, when you're a pen addict like myself, you can watch videos of ink drying, like we talked about several times and see something different every time. You're like, oh my God, look at that. And, uh, yeah, I, if you can't tell, I'm, I'm seriously impressed with this ink and I, I think it's going to be going to be hot stuff. So now I want to talk about flipping it a little bit and we've kind of covered it, you know, on the surface. I want to talk about the pens that you're using, the pens that you're carrying on a daily basis, because I've noticed from you over probably the past year, since we've talked about, since we've talked class. And, you know, I read your blog religiously and I read everything you write and obviously look at all the pictures. I've, I've noticed a refinement, if you will, in what you're carrying. Like you almost have like your fountain pen carry game on lock. Like it's set, you know, it's like, I've felt like Ed has found his pens for him. And tell me about kind of what you're going through with like your current pen carry. If my observations are, are real, or I'm just making it up in my head. Um, you know, just tell me about what you're. You know, enjoying using these days. And if this is really kind of a refinement of the bigger picture of all the fountain pens that you've had in the past.

Myke Hurley: I'd say you're, you're definitely pretty, uh, dead on with your assumption. Like, uh, first off, I'm more of a, like a user than a collector. Like I don't really find any benefit to having like 10 draws full of pens that I'm not going to use because it just seems like kind of wasteful to me. Um, so I think what I'm kind of going through with what I use on a daily basis is kind of a direct reflection of that. But in that, uh, if I don't like something, there's no way I'm keeping it. Like I bought, uh, the M805 Straßman after like two months of being like, oh my God, I really want this. This looks awesome. Um, and then I got it and then I sold it a month and a half later because it just wasn't doing it for me. Yeah. Which is crazy. Like people are going to be like, oh my God, that's like my, my grail pen. I can't wait to get that. And then I got it. Um, actually one extremely devastatingly expensive order from pen chalet that and the stainless steel Lamy 2000 in one shot. Wow. What was that pen? The pen you didn't like? I think I missed the name. The Pelican M805 Straßman or Stressman, the, uh, gray anthracite M805 with the silver trim.

Brad Dowdy: It's a stunner.

Myke Hurley: It's like, it's like a $700 pen. Like it's no joke. Yeah. And, uh, I don't know. I got, I got rid of it. I was just like, uh, it's not, not bonding.

Ed Jelley: Oh yeah. I remember this guy. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. That's a beauty.

Myke Hurley: So that's kind of been like my attitude. Like if I can like, you know, be lusting over this one thing for, you know, since it was announced to when it shipped and then get rid of it. Cause I'm not using it. I think that's kind of a reflection of what's going on. And I think in the last post I made about what I'm carrying with me, I had that realization that like this stuff is, uh, I'm starting to post the same post every month or so. And, uh, I don't, I don't, you know, that's weird to me that I feel like after like, you know, four or five years of, uh, extreme fountain pen hobbying slash pen reviewing, like I finally know what I want. And then I don't necessarily, not like it's a waste of time. Cause I have fun buying new stuff and trying it, but I don't have that attitude. Like, Oh, my collection's great now. It's like, I just want the stuff that I use to be great right now.

Pen Tier System

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So I'm having the issue where I've, I'm getting that in that refinement stage. I know very much which pens are my favorite. I'm realizing like, I definitely don't look at it as it like a collection. I mean, it's a collection of pens, but it's not next necessarily that I'm collecting pens. You know, it's two different things, but I'm finding that the best way I figured out how to put it is I have like a tier one of pens, right?

Ed Jelley: Oh, I am so on board with this. Yeah.

Brad Dowdy: That I always have. It doesn't matter if I'm not using them at the particular time, but when I do use them, I get that pure enjoyment of like I was inking it up for the first time. And it's a wonderful writing experience. And then I have this tier two of pens that there's something that I like about it, but it's never beating out the, one of the tier one pens to make it into a permanent carry. Like I might carry it for two weeks and then it's back in the case for six months. And, you know, I, it's like, I'm trying to force the enjoyment out of this tier two level of pens, but at the same time, I haven't gotten rid of any of them. And that's the part I can't figure out is why, why don't I just move on from some of these pens? I don't think if they're in that tier two section that I'll necessarily miss them because they don't give me the same feeling when I use the pens. I mean, the, you know, the reason I use pens and I think a lot of people that listen to the show and, and guys like y'all, they, you know, they, they make you feel different. Like when you use them, there's something special about them that you attach with, you know, just like, you know, Ed and you're, I'm looking at your carry, you know, two Lamys, a Nakaya pilot, Mont Blanc and a Lamy Safari. You know, those ones really speak to you. And with me, it's, you know, it's a lot of on the same lines.

Brad Dowdy: And I'm, I don't want to say I'm getting stuck. You know, I'm still trying to figure things out, but my tier one level of pens is getting smaller and my tier two is getting bigger and I need to do something with this tier two. And because it's just getting overwhelming and I don't need all these other things, you know, don't be afraid to move on from these pens. You know, if you, if you need to, and that's the part that that's the hump I haven't gotten over yet. It's definitely a mental thing, right? Cause I don't have any problems selling them, but at the same time, I'm not selling them. I'm just not making the effort to do it. And I don't know what's holding me back from that. So that that's one of the challenges I'm having. So when I see a post like yours and just look at the last six or nine months of your post, I was like, Ed's got this down. He's really figured out what he wants. And you know, that doesn't mean you're not going to buy new things. That doesn't mean there's new pens in the rotation. But the ones that you're not using, you're moving on from where I'm not moving on from them. And that's something that's, uh, I'm, I'm working on. So, um, do you have any tips for me?

Myke Hurley: I don't know. I, I, the more you, the more you explain that, the more I'm like, wait, that's me too. Cause like, I still do have that rest of them that I'm like, oh, I could like, every time I go to like sell some stuff, I'm like, this guy's going to go. And then, uh, it totally, it doesn't, I don't have the heart to take the picture and put the listing up. Right. Right. Yeah. Which is like weird. Like, I don't know why I have this, but maybe I'll use it one day, but I can't quite get rid of it.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So do you have any thoughts on this, Myke? Help me out.

Ed Jelley: So the tier one thing is interesting to me. Cause I know that I'm like this now. I know you are, Ed, clearly you are as well. I think that like maybe as a small group, we are all kind of at the point now where we have, we've effectively bought all the big grail pens that we have, that we want. Like, I think we've all kind of got to the point now where we have the big spies. And also we, everyone's so clued into each other from listening to podcasts and reading blogs that like, there isn't a really great pen now that we don't all know about. So like, for example, the sailor pro gear is like, it's probably my favorite pen that I own. And I know about that because of you, Brad, and I don't think I ever would have found it on my own. And sailor was sailor still isn't really a brand I know too much about. So I probably still wouldn't have bought it. But now I'm at the point where it's like, I've got maybe like six or seven pens that it's like the, I don't even, I, there is nothing in the world except maybe an Akaya that could be added to this that I really think could knock any of these away. Cause it's just like this, this selection is for me, uh, a lot of it stuck around for a while. And it's like, I just, I can't see how it could get any better than this, than this little group. And, and I think that that is maybe how it's just going to be for a little while. And we're just gonna, you know, adding at the tier two level or then, you know, maybe tier zero where is these super crazy expensive pens like Nakaya's and stuff, which I don't even think count. Like, I just think it's just so expensive that it's like, it's a whole other different level of stuff. But, you know, you're looking at like the 100 to $250 range. And I think everyone like that, I know at least in that does this stuff, we kind of know what we want and we kind of got what we want.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. And, and at one point, did you have more than one Nakaya? It seems like you got the first one and then you kind of went berserk there for a second. Am I misthinking?

Myke Hurley: No, I think you're misthinking. I did the one and then one and done, but it's funny you mention that because I've been looking at like, I find myself on nibs.com like more often. That's terrible. And I'm like, oh no, why am I back here? And then. See, tier zero, man. Yeah. It's a whole different thing. The diamond class. I want the, you know, you need like the special player card to get in. See, I know what I want.

Ed Jelley: Like, you know, I haven't done a Kaya in my mind that I want, but I'm in no rush to buy it.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. That's kind of getting to where I'm at now is, is the rush. I don't want to be necessarily in a hurry anymore. I'm very rarely am. And I am definitely to that point.

Brad Dowdy: So, yeah, but this is good. I've just, you know, to, to circle back around, Ed, I, I'm getting a lot from seeing your loadout posts like this because it's telling, you know, for someone like myself, who's followed you for a long time, you know, I can kind of connect the dots a little bit. And I'm like, huh, this is, this is super interesting to me. You know, I'm, I, I, I definitely noticed that. And one thing I did notice in your June, I'm, I'm referring to your, your, your loadout. But I'm saying like this, uh, this, everyone knows you did a June, uh, 2015 fountain pen loadout. I probably should mention that, but I did notice that you're a big tease in your post and you happen to have an ink sample page and you have one blotted out, um, that says Mr. Ink. So why don't you go ahead and tell everyone what it is?

Myke Hurley: Oh, that was the, the J hair band. Oh, it was, uh, it was pre announcement. And then, uh, gotcha. I said that was in there. I couldn't do it. Couldn't say it yet. I wasn't released. Nice. Nice. I had to be sneaky about that. Nothing even more sneaky. I think that was as sneaky as I could get.

Brad Dowdy: So now that that's all, that's all cleared up. Yeah. So there's a, there's another post you did. So that was your pen loadout and kind of in conjunction with that, although not necessarily specifically hand in hand, you did the five best inks for everyday use.

Myke Hurley: Right.

Brad Dowdy: I want you to talk about this post a little bit. What you, what kind of the setup was, um, because I'm going to take some umbrage, uh, with your choices. So I want to hear a little bit about the setup here and, um, you know, tell me what you were trying, trying to accomplish here with this ink and tell it, you know, with this ink post and tell everyone, you know, kind of, kind of your idea behind it. Cause I think it's a great idea. There's, there's different ways we all use inks and I think inks for everyday use is like a really, really good category to have a batch of inks and just kind of the note, the no brainer stuff. So tell us about this post.

Myke Hurley: Um, I actually got like kind of the inspiration and kind of like the setup for this post. Um, for those who don't know, I've been writing for everyday carry.com, uh, for about almost six months now, which is kind of crazy. And, uh, the post style is more like what we do over there. Like I've always been kind of like anti list post because I feel like they lack, uh, you know, if you go on Buzzfeed, you, you feel dumber for looking at any of those things. And they're like, you know, top 20 diner mugs for coffee drinking. That's what's in front of me, but that's probably a list on Buzzfeed. And I wanted to take the list article and kind of actually teach, teach people something. So, uh, that's kind of what we do over at everyday carry. And I'm like, you know what? I can apply this to my site and in a way that would help. And I figured a good basic list for people who may not be completely into pens or who might not know where to start. Because if you click on, you know, like any ink page on any of the online retailers, it's like immediately overwhelming. Cause you, a bunch of brands, there's a bunch of colors.

Brad Dowdy: There's the single, it's the single most overwhelming thing for new users is choosing an ink.

Myke Hurley: Absolutely. So when I set up to this post, you know what? I picked some of my kind of favorite things that were like appropriate for, you know, if you are at the office or if you're, you know, you just like writing in black ink, or maybe you want to, you know, a blue black. And I just picked a blue black, a black, a blue, a red, and then a green. And I figured that was like, you know, I'm not going to do like an everyday purple ink. I'm sure there are plenty of people that love that, but I, it just didn't really fit the whole kind of thing I was going for.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Yeah. I would buy that too, as far as the color choices. And Myke, I'm sure is sad that there's not an orange in there, but you know, for, for everyday use, you know, you're trying to fit into a certain, you know, answer a certain question. And just, you know, the purples and oranges are just not going to fit in that. So first issue I take is you're wrong about Shinkai. It should be number one, not number three. Okay. So I, I expect a correction posted soon.

Myke Hurley: I will, uh, maybe I'll add a disclaimer for, uh, you know, order might not reflect my opinion on the, uh, the ink.

Brad Dowdy: I'm just kidding. Um, but not, uh, the real question I had is the, the inclusion of Sailor Kiroguro Nano Black. I would have never thought to put this into an everyday use ink just because of the ink properties. I mean, it's, it's probably one of the single best inks on the market, but for an everyday ink, it wouldn't even registered probably like in my top 30.

Myke Hurley: Is that because of the pigmentation or?

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, because of the pigmentation and maintenance required, you know, it, it dries out in my pens. You know, if you don't use them for like two or three days, you really got to work at it to get it out. And, um, but when it's, when it's on, it's amazing. It's an amazing ink. There's no doubt. So what, what makes you like use this for like an everyday type ink?

Myke Hurley: Um, I think because it's the darkest black, it's one of the smoothest writing inks I've used. The, uh, the permanent nature of it, meaning you can write on important stuff and it won't go away if it happens to get wet. Um, and I think the fact if you're using it every day, you should be going through enough ink to where the maintenance, shouldn't be like, Oh, I left this sitting for, for a month and now it's hardened up. So if you're using it as like, this is my go-to black, this is every day. I don't think you'd have that much of an issue. Like, to be honest, like you just said, like it, it, you've had it gum up on you. And I just pulled out my BOMI 2000 medium nib. That's been full of the ink for probably the better part of the last month. I can check my load out, you know, to verify the date, but I definitely haven't used it in a week and a half to two weeks. And it, it came out fine. Like I know you prefer like fine, ultra extra fine. Yeah. Microscopic fine nibs. So maybe give it a try before you commit to, you know, a $20 bottle of ink. If you tend to prefer a finer writing pen.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. And that's a good point that it is, you know, that, that ink is legitimately great. I mean, it's one of the, one of the best inks around. Um, I had, I just have to be very specific when I'm using it that I'm putting it in the right pen. And that's going to have the right usage pattern, um, to enjoy the ink properly because it's legitimately good. So you, you, you said something interesting there just a second ago that I want to circle back on. So tell me about, um, your, your load out, um, tracking. So you, you have a date and, um, how are you tracking your, your pens and inks that, uh, you're, you're loading out? Cause you, you just mentioned that and I thought that was pretty neat.

Myke Hurley: Um, well, actually I just went to go check the actual post that I posted on the website. So like if I scroll down, I'm like, Oh, yep. Lamy 2000 medium still has that sailor ink in it. I know it's been in there since at least June 16th. Yeah. So I consider that casual about it, to be honest, like when I was in college, which is the only two years ago at this point, uh, everything would get like super cleaned out on Sunday night. And I was doing a lot more writing and a lot more notes and then a lot more changing. And now I feel like, uh, you know, at work, I'm not writing nearly as much as I was with, you know, note taking and everything. So things kind of tend to stick around a bit longer. So, um, yeah, that, that's kind of the reason behind that and why I say, uh, I haven't been crazy about changing things out.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. I keep threatening to do a better job at like logging when I ink something up and you know, how long it's been in there, things like that. And I just keep not doing it, but that's something I plan on doing eventually. So, um, the Diamine Ace of Blue. So I haven't used this ink. It looks really cool. So tell me why, tell me why that one's number one on your list.

Iroshizuku Ink

Myke Hurley: Um, I liked it because I thought it was really close to the, uh, Konpeki, the Iroshizuku ink. I don't know if I said any of that right. Bear with me. Sounds right to me. Um, but I find that ink to be, it's super bright, which is why I love it, but also bright in a way that I don't necessarily know if I would feel comfortable writing serious things that other people are going to read in like.

Ed Jelley: I wrote so many serious things in that ink. Well, I also did the same in Iroshizuku, in, uh, for you Gaki as well, but whatever. Yeah.

Myke Hurley: Maybe there's a different definition of serious on the other side of the ocean.

Ed Jelley: Oh no, these were like, you know, uh, marketing documents for a million dollars, billion dollar company.

Myke Hurley: So that's marketing is a creative position though. So it's like, Oh, the cool marketing guy with the orange ink.

Ed Jelley: You didn't work in my company, man.

Myke Hurley: I'm creative there. Um, but yeah, you know, it's like a, it's like a slightly subdued version of that blue ink, which is one that I really love. It's usually at least one of my pens, but then I got one of those mini bottles of the diamine line, however. And, uh, I was really like, wow, this is great. This is kind of like a slightly less intense version. It performs well. And, uh, I'm a big fan of the brand. So this was kind of like just barely edged it out for like my interpretation of what an everyday blue ink would be like.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. That's a great, that's a great shade. I'm going to have to try this one out. That's a, that's a color I really enjoy. I don't like basic, what I call fountain pen blue, you know, which is like the Royal blue. Right. That you get that all the, you know, the cartridges ship, you know, with your Lamy or whatever pen, your new pen you're getting. I'm not a fan of that color, but these bright blues, um, I, I really, really enjoy. So man, this is, you've been, you've been knocking out some good stuff here. And I'm wondering, uh, do you have anything else up your sleeve here coming up, coming up soon? Because, um, you know, this Jay Herban, when, uh, you kind of broke, uh, broke the fountain pen internet with that one. So what else, what else you got coming up?

Karis Customs

Myke Hurley: Um, I have something that showed up from Karis Customs today that I really only got a very brief chance to look at.

Brad Dowdy: Oh, like literally today.

Myke Hurley: Literally today. Like I was sitting at my desk at work and they said, here's a package. And I opened it and, uh, wrestled through like 20 layers of bubble wrap. And there were, um, three pens in there that, um, our good friend Dan Bishop has been teasing on his Instagram. And, uh, it may or may not be their new fountain pen. Ooh.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, that's, that's something I'm, I'm anxious to, to see because I'm a big fan of the ink for sure. Like I, I just got my second ink and it took me until I got my second ink to use it all the time. I don't know why. I mean, my first one's just fine, but the second one, I did a better job in getting the red barrel with the, uh, with the brass section. But, uh, the, the new fountain pen from Kara's, I will be anxious to get in my hands and see what it's all about. So hopefully, uh, are you, are you going to tease us with some, uh, some pictures or some action shots? Or are you going to, uh, you're going to hold off for a while and keep them all to yourself?

Myke Hurley: I'm actually, I'm doing their, uh, Kickstarter video. Oh, well, cool. Uh, that's why I have them early. Nice. And I'm going to be doing that. So I guess when the campaign for these guys launches, you will see a video made by me, um, for them showcasing the whole kind of thing. Very cool. But they're cool. So far, so far, so good. I mean, there's an aluminum, a brass and a copper and, uh, I didn't even get a chance to ink them up yet. So I have them, but first impressions are good.

Brad Dowdy: So, okay, good. So, so what else, what else you got going on? You're, you're writing for everyday carry, everyday carry. Um, you're still writing your blog. What else you got going on? You're doing a lot of, um, side photography projects as well, or, or is that just kind of as it comes?

Myke Hurley: Uh, here and there, I mean, as it comes, uh, I just did the, um, product shots for, uh, tactile turn, uh, Will over there. He did those two razors, the pruner and the parer. Um, I did all his product shots for those. Um, I did a couple of things for the new exit clear catalog. Um, what else?

Ed Jelley: It's really fun to see how you, you're getting further and further into this stuff.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. It's kind of weird. I like turned around the other day. I'm like, Oh, side projects, like paid the rent this month. That's kind of cool. Yeah. It's fun. It's fun. Switch, switch this around.

Ed Jelley: You know, I can't remember when, uh, you know, when we first found out about you and you started writing and, and, and now to look at the way that you kind of basically have created this whole little business. It's just so cool. I love seeing this stuff. Like it's just, it warms my heart. And I, buddy, I really hope that you're able to, if you want to, to just basically just get rid of all other types of boring work.

Myke Hurley: I mean, I can't say that I work for my family business, so I can't, uh, knock it too hard. So, uh, you know, I'm, I'm pretty happy right now with everything that's going on. It's fun. It's definitely a fun balance of, uh, fun work and work, work. And, you know, writing for everyday carry is super cool. Cause it's like a lot, it's a lot bigger than, uh, at jelly.com, which is kind of like, you really got to watch what you're saying. And, you know, we have an editor over there and it's like, it's a different kind of experience, but it's been super fun.

Brad Dowdy: Um, and, uh, yeah, it was fun, uh, watching Bernard, um, how, how far he's, he's come in, in what he's doing with that blog. It's pretty intense.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. He actually just moved to New York city. So, uh, that's, that's super cool. And, uh, hopefully it'll bring a lot more opportunities for the site. So a lot of stuff to look forward to.

Brad Dowdy: Well, good. Well, we appreciate you coming on, man. It's been, it's been too long and hopefully it won't be this, uh, long next time as you, you, you keep dropping this magic, uh, on us. And we're going to, we're going to keep dragging you in here to, uh, put up with me and Myke. Is that okay?

Myke Hurley: Yeah. That's the new goal is to do stuff, uh, interesting enough so that Brad will email me.

Myke Hurley: It's difficult. It's not, it's not, it took me a year this time. We'll, uh, we'll cut that in half for sure.

Brad Dowdy: All right. I'll work. I'll work on that on, on mine too. Well, I really appreciate it. And, uh, it's always great to talk to you, Ed.

Ed Jelley: Likewise.

Brad Dowdy: And hopefully, um, you know, we have yet to meet in person, but, uh, you know, I, I feel it soon. You know, I, I feel it coming soon. So thanks for coming on and, uh, we will talk to you soon. And, uh, Myke, I love you, man, but get us out of here. I'm tired of hearing your voice.

Ed Jelley: I bought something during today's show. What? You'll find out next week. If you want to find the show notes for this week's episode, head on over to relay.fm slash penaddict slash 162. If you want to find Brad's work online, he's over at penaddict.com and he is at dowdyism on Twitter. D-O-W-D-Y-I-S-M. Ed, where can people find you on Twitter?

Myke Hurley: Uh, Twitter is at edjelly, D-O-T-C-O-M, edjelly.com. Uh, Instagram's always a fun place. Instagram.com slash edjelly, E-D-J-E-L-L-E-Y. And of course at edjelly.com.

Ed Jelley: Awesome. I'll have all the links to those in the show notes and you can find Brad on Instagram. He's always penaddict. I am iMike, I-M-Y-K-E. On all the social networks. Thanks again to our sponsors this week, lynda.com and PenchLA. Go check them out and help support the show. And we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye guys.

Brad Dowdy: Goodbye guys.

Ed Jelley: Bye.