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The Pen Addict Podcast Transcript
Episode:	1
Title:	Glossary
Release Date:	February 9th, 2012
Hosts:	Brad Dowdy Myke Hurley
Guests:	No guests this episode
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Official page:	Episode 1
Audio File:	Audio Episode 1
Podcast page:	The Pen Addict 1
Length:	3333 min <br />0.55 h <br /> minutes
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Myke Hurley: Episode 1 of The Pen Addict has been brought to you by Phraseology by Agile Tortoise. There are a lot of text entry apps for the iPad. Phraseology, however, is a writing app for the iPad. It has tools that allow you to look up words in its sister app terminology, also by Agile Tortoise. It allows you to arrange paragraphs in its powerful range view, so you can mix and match and move around your paragraphs to suit exactly the piece that you're writing. You can do this with ease, and you can even look at your work in a markdown preview. Phraseology is a tool that is powerful enough even for the busiest writers. You can check out Phraseology in the iOS App Store. It's only $4, which is an absolute steal. We'd like to thank Agile Tortoise for sponsoring this first episode, of which you can hear right now. Hello, and welcome to Episode 1 of The Pen Addict. I am Michael Hurley, and I am one of the co-hosts of this show. But really, this show all focuses around my illustrious co-host, and that is Mr. Brad Dowdy, The Pen Addict himself.

Brad Dowdy: Hello, Myke. How are you? I'm very well, my man. How are you? I'm good. I'm ecstatic to be finally doing this. It's something I've wanted to do for years, and getting to know you over the past few months and talking out this show and seeing that there is an opportunity to bring a show like this to the 70 Decibels Network. I'm pretty excited.

Myke Hurley: Indeed. So I've been twisting your arm for a little while, right? Right, for sure. And coercing you into doing a show with me. And this kind of started a little while ago. I mean, one of the other shows that we have on the network. So if anybody doesn't know me, I am a podcaster by trade, pretty much. This show is part of a network of shows called The 70 Decibels Network. You will find a link in the show notes to the network. We have a podcast called Enough, which is me and my colleague Patrick Rohn, the show. And we had an episode, I think it was number 25, where we spoke with our good friend, mutual friend, Randy Murray, about pens and paper, and people loved it. Right. So it was always in the back of my mind that it was something that we should consider doing one day. But I didn't really know who to ask. And I've been following your site for a while, and mainly just looking at pictures.

Myke Hurley: Because that's what we love to do, right? Right.

Myke Hurley: So then we got to talking a little while ago, after me and Pat had a conversation about you on another episode of Enough. And then we convinced you to come on for an episode, and then it all went on from there.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, that episode was fun. And that really planted the seed. It was episode 104. If anyone wants to download that and check it out of Enough. It was really fun. Just kind of, you know, a free flow conversation about pens and paper and how we all use them. And everyone seems to have that underlying love for pen and paper. You know, it doesn't really come out. But, you know, it's not something you see with all your online friends. You see all their app usage and, you know, what browser they're going to use and things like that. But bringing the pen and paper to the podcast is going to be pretty fun.

Myke Hurley: Yeah. So I've sort of introved myself a bit, Brad, for the people that might not know me. So why don't you tell people who you are and why you are the pen addict?

Brad Dowdy

Brad Dowdy: Sure. If you haven't caught it so far, my name is Brad Dowdy. I started a website called penaddict.com back in 2007, just to kind of capture my fascination with pens that I couldn't find at an office supply store or a grocery store or things like that. And, you know, during that time, there weren't a lot of resources for that type of thing. I'd go online and try to find pens that I liked and couldn't find anyone writing about them, taking pictures of them, showing how a writing sample looked on a piece of paper, things like that. So I decided to do it myself. And it just has kind of grown from there. I've turned that blog into, I guess you could say a full time job with a company called jetpens.com that I now work for full time. As of May of last year, I left a 10 and a half year IT career and became a marketing associate for jetpens.com, which is a company I love.

Myke Hurley: But, you know, we're going to have this at the end of the show later, but we're still looking for some outro music. So if you would like to submit any outro music, then please get in touch. And you can do that by going to 70decibels.com forward slash contact. We have a contact page where you can also submit general feedback about this show if you wanted to. But we're going to have a sort of a disclaimer, but I figured we'd say it now. So even though you are an employee of jetpens, jetpens is not associated with the pen addict podcast.

Brad Dowdy: Right. This podcast is, you know, from me as the perspective of the pen addict, not from my employer. So we just want to make that clear up front. All opinions are mine and mine only and are not reflective of jetpens.com.

Myke Hurley: I love that sort of statement. You see it everywhere online.

Brad Dowdy: I know. These opinions are my own. We need to speed it up like the drug commercials list all the side effects at the end. The potential side effects of being a pen addict. Right. No spare money. I have been called an enabler more than once.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, I think that that is a problem. And we're not helping out by doing it. Before we sort of kick into the first topic as well, I did mention the show notes. And for anybody that's not aware of where to find them, if you go to 70decibels.com forward slash the pen addict, you just find the episode number that you're listening to. Obviously, this is episode one and you can see the show notes there. Or if you use an iOS app, if you're listening on an iPhone or even on, I assume, on other devices, you can see show notes. Like our app of choice is an app called Instacast. And if you're on iOS, then I think that we will all definitely recommend that. And you can see all the show notes there. And if you're listening on the music app on the iPhone or iPod Touch, if you just tap the artwork, the show notes will appear there and you can just click them and go to the links that we reference. So there you go. So, Brad, when we were planning out this episode, you pointed me to a link that our buddy Dave Kaler over at 52 Tiger had posted about pen and paper.

Brad Dowdy: Right, right. It's very strange, maybe a little bit of fate how this lined up because, you know, you and I have been talking about this podcast for literally weeks now and doing some planning around it and different things like that. And we scheduled today, you know, weeks back to start the podcast. And then yesterday, our friend Dave on his 52tiger.net blog posted a link to an article from the Detroit Free Press called This Year's Killer App is Pen and Paper. And I was just like, you've got to be kidding me. With us getting ready to start this podcast and that type of article, it just, you know, really speaks to what hopefully this podcast is going to be about. You know, those type of tools and how, you know, just basic analog tools like pen and paper are still, you know, extremely useful and almost necessary in this digital age. And Dave's pull quote from the article was, even as we scramble to replace our daily activities with simplified digital solutions, there's still nothing quite like writing something down.

Myke Hurley: Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

Brad Dowdy: It's so, it's so simple. It's obviously, obviously something I believe in hugely as we'll come to find out as the episodes go on. But I just thought that article was great. I actually, I actually wrote the, the, the journalist who wrote that article yesterday because I was, I was very happy with the article. And so I just wanted to say thanks to him for, for doing that. So it was a very good article. We'll show note that and, and that'll be in the, in the links for everyone to read. And I suggest you do. It's a pretty cool article.

Field Notes

Myke Hurley: Because they even talk about some brands and stuff like Field Notes that we love, right?

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Field Notes is a, it's a big capturing tool for me and I'm sure we'll, we'll talk about them a lot. And I know a lot of, a lot of our friends are big Field Notes users.

Myke Hurley: So when we were talking about episode one, you know, I'm, I love pens and paper, but I'm, I know nowhere near as much as you do. Or maybe even some of our listeners at the show do. I, all I do is I buy what looks pretty, right? Or what I like the look of. Exactly. And one of the great things about doing this show is I'm going to learn a lot, which I really want to learn because I love pen and paper. My only, the only problem that I already foresee is I'm not really going to have any money left. But, you know, such is life. Right. So what I thought we'd do, because when, sometimes when I read some of your posts and stuff, there are terms that I don't always get. Or I understand them, but don't understand them in the terms that, that you're mentioning them in. So we thought that what we would do for episode one is present you with a glossary. So later on in later episodes, if we're talking about something, or if somebody asks us a question, we can refer them back to episode one, the glossary episode. So they can pick up on the terms that we've mentioned.

Brad Dowdy: Right. And I think that's a great idea. It's just coming from someone with me. While I don't think I'm an expert at it, I've got a lot of experience with it. And, you know, I might just, in my regular conversation, you know, I might drop some term that someone, you know, like yourself, who has just, you know, takes a pen and paper more at face value. A term you've never heard of. So we wanted to just kind of cover some, some of the very basic terms, you know, people have been reading the pen addict for years, probably already know these terms. But, you know, we want to also have a point for people new to the pen addict, new to the pen addict podcast and new to pens and paper in general. Because we hope more of y'all, you know, come on and start listening to this show, a place to where they can refer back to and see, you know, what are these strange terms they're talking about. So you shared a list with me.

Myke Hurley: So if I run through the list that you've shared with me, and then you can tell me what they mean or what they are, right? Sound good? Sure. Absolutely. So ballpoint ink.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, I kind of classified all the inks as a group. So, you know, ballpoint, a lot of people who are not familiar with pens or don't use pens on a lot, they consider every pen a ballpoint. You'll hear that, you know, every pen, it's kind of like Coke. A lot of people use the term ballpoint the same way. But what ballpoint is, it's really, it's an oil-based ink that is very, it can, it can be kind of messy, but it's very consistent. It's going to write on a lot of, you know, different situations, whereas, you know, maybe a liquid ink or a gel ink will not write in. A liquid ink is, I guess you get more of that from a rollerball type pen. What pens have you been using recently, Myke?

Myke Hurley: So at the moment, I have a Zebra Sarasa clip.

Brad Dowdy: Okay. And that, the Sarasa is a gel ink pen, and that's kind of become the most popular pen. What gel ink provides that a ballpoint ink does not, and what a liquid ink does not, is that it is very consistent. It's got a very dark color to it, and there's just kind of a richness to the writing that a lot of other pens have. Now, it does have a downfall in that it's a little bit wetter, and, you know, it might smear a little bit on the page, but it's not going to bleed through your page. It's not going to, you know, you're not going to be able to, you know, see through on the other, it's not going to soak through to the page behind the one that you're writing on.

Myke Hurley: I feel that ballpoint ink lasts a lot longer than gel ink.

Brad Dowdy: It definitely does. You know, the way the gel ink's formulated, I think it's just made to, I don't want to say it's made not to last, it's not made to last as long, but it flows through the pen more quickly. So, you will, like, your Sarasa will, you know, all things considered, if it's compared to a ballpoint pen, it's going to run out of ink sooner.

Myke Hurley: So, gel ink, it feels like it's something that has sort of seen a surge in popularity, maybe over the last few years.

Brad Dowdy: Is that correct? It is, compared to a ballpoint ink, ballpoint inks, the manufacturers can't make as vibrant of colors with their inks as with the gel. The gel gives the manufacturers a wide range of colors. It's essentially a suspension in the ink cartridge itself, and that pigment in there allows them to just really have bright colors, and it's very, very vibrant. It's things you can't get in a ballpoint pen.

Liquid Ink

Myke Hurley: And liquid ink, which is another one you mentioned, that would be like fountain pen ink, right?

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, like, it's a water-based ink, and, you know, there's, the benefits to that are, it's going to flow real nicely, it's going to be generally smooth, it's going to dry a lot faster than a gel ink, but it's also going to bleed on the page a little bit more.

Myke Hurley: And get everywhere. And get everywhere.

Brad Dowdy: It can't, now, there's some, we'll talk about some liquid inks that are really, that are better. There's always pens that are better, that handle it better than others. But, yeah, generally, liquid inks, you know, they can, they're going to soak through the page if you're not careful, or you're not using the right liquid ink pen.

Ballpoint Pens

Myke Hurley: So, we have a ballpoint that would be in roller balls, right? Which is, obviously, a type of pen that everybody uses.

Brad Dowdy: Right. Right, there's, it's, ballpoints generally come in a roller ball. They also make some needle, needle tip ballpoints, but it's still a roller ball technology in the tip of the pen. Now, some gel ink pens, or actually some liquid ink pens, use a needle tip technology that does not have a roller ball in the tip. But, it's not too common, but there's some, there's some good pens that do that as well.

Myke Hurley: So, explain to me a needle tip, then.

Brad Dowdy: What is that? A needle tip is just exactly what you would imagine. It looks like a, looks like a needle. Like, you know, like a sewing needle, or like a needle you stick in your arm. You know all about that.

Myke Hurley: Right, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I do, yeah. I am well known.

Brad Dowdy: But, yeah, that boils down to a personal preference. There's not, in my opinion, there's not a lot of reason to always pick a needle tip, or always pick a conical tip. It's what, you know, that arrow-shaped tip of a ballpoint pen. You know, if you look at like a Pilot G2, which most people are familiar with, that's what I consider a conical tip pen. It's just like pointed, like an arrow, you know, shaped like a cone. Yeah. Whereas a needle tip pen is like a Pilot Precise V5, or a Pilot Hi-Tech C. It's just real pointy and sharp. There's, one's not better than the other. I think that all boils down to personal preference.

Myke Hurley: Right, so the Hi-Tech C, is that a rollable, or is that a needle?

Brad Dowdy: It's considered a needle. Right.

Myke Hurley: I see where this show is going to go already, right? Right, right.

Brad Dowdy: And this will be a good item to include in the notes that you can't tell by looking at it, because on the surface it looks like a needle tip. But why it is so smooth is there is actually a tiny, tiny roller ball in the tip of that pen. And I actually have a pretty good image of that that I've shared before. And honestly, that's why that pen is so popular, because it gives a really, really smooth writing performance in a needle tip pen that allows it to become very, very fine.

Myke Hurley: So, when you're, I mean, in your reviews and stuff, you talk a lot about line width.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, that's pretty important, at least to me. That's actually why I started the Pen Addict, because I don't like wide tip pens. Like, I consider a wide tip pen anything you'll see when you go shopping for a pen or see a pen on the store shelf, you'll see 0.7 millimeters. That's actually the tip size of the pen. You know, the manufacturers measured it, and that's how wide the physical tip of the pen is. Okay, so I'd say 0.7 millimeters and up are a wide tip pen.

Brad Dowdy: Most, and 0.7 millimeters is probably the most common you see. That's what, you know, I call it, you know, when I'm referring to pens, I say that that's what you're going to find in the office, right? If you go to the office supply cabinet in your office, you're probably going to come out with a 0.7 millimeter gel or liquid pen or a 1.0 millimeter ballpoint pen. And that's what, at least in America, that's what everyone has been stuck with for decades. And hopefully I'm trying to change that a little bit.

Myke Hurley: You're trying to change me, right?

Brad Dowdy: Right, right, for sure.

Myke Hurley: By making me use finer pens. And I think that that probably, because I felt that the 0.7 was the best size for me because that's what I've been used to. Sure, sure. And I felt that anything below that would just be like cutting holes in paper.

Pen Tips

Brad Dowdy: Right, right. Which is why when you go to the store, you don't see anything less than 0.5 millimeter, which is what, for years and years and years, was everything I used. Because I liked a fine line, and that was as fine as I could get. You know, 10 years ago, I wasn't shopping for pens online, right? And I didn't live in Japan where this was more prevalent. And that's what I was stuck with. And one day, I walked into OfficeMax and saw a 0.38 millimeter pen, a Uniball Sino RT 0.3. And I was like, this is interesting. And that's actually the pen that started the Pen Addict is the Uniball Sino RT 0.38 millimeters. I remember it specifically. And, you know, the pen addict became my search for more pens like that because you just can't find them in the store. It's starting to become more prevalent these days. Because of you. Yeah, doubtful. I highly doubt that. Now, I complain on my blog to the pen manufacturers all the time. I'll say, you know, Pilot, are you listening? And you know what?

Brad Dowdy: Uniball, Pilot, almost all the main pen manufacturers now have a sub 0.5 millimeter pen available on in-office supply store shelves.

Myke Hurley: So we have you to thank. I think we can categorically say that we have Brad Dowdy to thank for the thinner pens in stores. I wish I had that kind of pull. Trust me. Just take it to say, yeah, no, it was me. So we spoke about tip size, which probably are gone.

Brad Dowdy: I want to elaborate that on a little bit just because there's a difference between tip size and line width, which a lot of people get confused. So the tip size is what you see on the pen, printed on the pen, 0.5 millimeters, 0.7 millimeters. When you write on the page, the line width is different, and that's not measured by the pen companies. Right? They're not going to say, you know, or most of them don't say this is a 0.5 millimeter pen and the line width is going to be, you know, 0.4 millimeters on the page. So line width and tip size are two different things.

Myke Hurley: No, I didn't know that. It was like I had just assumed, I guess I just assumed that it would be the same.

Brad Dowdy: Right. That's why if you put down, you know, if you grab, you know, five different pens off your desk that are all 0.5 millimeters, you'll see they'll have different line widths. You'll notice that the line width isn't consistent, and that's going to be, you know, just differences in the manufacturer, how they've designed the tip of that pen to lay the ink down on the page.

Myke Hurley: So it's even though it is that size, depending on the way that it's designed, will give a different thickness.

Brad Dowdy: Not only that, but it depends on the ink too. Right. Okay.

Myke Hurley: So you could put different inks into the same nib and it would, or tip, and it would give a different line thickness.

Brad Dowdy: Right. Like your liquid ink is going to spread a little bit more so your lines will look thicker. Your gel ink is going to remain tighter just because of those ink properties. So your line is going to appear thinner.

Myke Hurley: I knew I was going to learn a lot today. So I just slipped up and said nib size, right? Now nib size is different to tip size.

Brad Dowdy: Well, I mean, for me, a nib is strictly a fountain pen term, but I think, you know, it certainly can be used just for a regular pen tip. And there's no perfect word. I refer to it as tip. And when someone says, what's the, it talks about a pen and asks me what the nib size is, I know immediately what they're referring to. So I think those are interchangeable.

Myke Hurley: Okay.

Brad Dowdy: But for me, if I say, if nib comes out of my mouth, I'm usually referring to a fountain pen nib, which is a whole nother episode.

Brad Dowdy: That's one I'm looking forward to. That's many episodes on top of many episodes. It's the fountain pen and pen world is pretty amazing.

Hybrid Ink

Myke Hurley: Talk to me about hybrid ink.

Brad Dowdy: That has become popular with the Uniball Jetstream pen. Now the Jetstream's kind of, it's kind of, Uniball's positioned it as a rollerball ballpoint hybrid. And they call it a hybrid because of the ink manufacturing process. I don't have all the details and specs of that ink, but what they've done is tried to make an ink that is smooth flowing like a gel ink, but quick drying and doesn't smear like a ballpoint. It's kind of a best of both worlds ink. So most hybrid inks you're going to find in what people would categorize as a ballpoint pen, like the Uniball Jetstream. I categorize it as a ballpoint, but it is so much nicer and so much different than, you know, the BIC you're going to find, you know, than the hotel room BICs that you pick up on occasion. It's classified as a ballpoint pen. And if you go shopping at a store, they're going to be listed under the ballpoint pen section. And even online, they'll be listed on the ballpoint pen section. But there's different ink properties that companies have started to come up with to make the writing utensils smoother and quick drying because that's a big feature that people look for, which you're a lefty, aren't you?

Myke Hurley: I am a lefty. And that is a whole episode, right?

Brad Dowdy: Right, right.

Myke Hurley: Yeah, we should have stated that from I'm left-handed, you're right-handed. Yes, yeah.

Brad Dowdy: And that's a huge deal. It's a really, really big deal. And, you know, people ask me to recommend pens all the time and there's just, there's a list of questions I ask, you know, what are you trying to do? How are you going to be using this? Are you left-handed? You know, that kind of thing makes a big difference on what type of pen is best for you.

Myke Hurley: See, I think, I'll save it. I was about to say something about my left-handed experiences, but I'm going to save that. Yeah, yeah. Capped? Retractable?

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, that's just basic. It sounds as it is, right? Basic terminology, yeah. It is what it is. You know, a cap pen's got a cap that you're going to pull off, you know, the tip of the pen. And some people write with the pen uncapped. They'll set it down on the side. One term I use a lot is post. When you stick the cap on the back of a pen, that's posting the cap. So if you ever hear me say, with the cap posted, that means the cap has been placed on the end of the pen.

Myke Hurley: Sounds like you just had a great idea. Yeah.

Brad Dowdy: It's kind of funny. I know that's UPS, and I know it's a box of Jetstreams.

Jetstreams

Myke Hurley: Wow. Can you smell them?

Brad Dowdy: No, I ordered them a couple of days ago because it's a pen my wife likes and she was out of them. So I ordered her some.

Myke Hurley: It's like you have just this radar for Jetstreams.

Brad Dowdy: That's funny.

Myke Hurley: Like it couldn't be anything else. So post, yeah, I'm not a big fan of doing that. I didn't know that had a term. Yep.

Brad Dowdy: Actually, that's a new term to me, too. I mean, before I started writing the pen addict, I never knew what posting was. But when readers started saying, you know, do you write with the cap posted? I was like, oh, okay. So there is a word for that.

Myke Hurley: You're just like, yes.

Myke Hurley: Now, the next word, I can't even begin to assume what it means. Knock. Knock.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, that goes in with a retractable pen.

Brad Dowdy: There's lots of terms for the, most people call it the clicker or the clicky. Oh, like this. On the end of the pen. Yeah. The little clicky on the end of the pen. You know, do you have a clicker pen or something like that? I actually refer to it a lot as the knock. And that, you know, I don't know the origination of that term. And I see that in a lot of the Japanese pens that I use and purchase and review that the term knock is interchangeable with a, you know, a click pen or a retractable pen. That's the little plunger on the end of the pen is a knock.

Japanese Pens

Myke Hurley: You've just made me add another topic. And I think we'll keep sharing the topics so people know what they're going to expect. Japanese versus the rest of the world.

Brad Dowdy: That's a big topic. That's probably might even be more than a one-show topic. Good. Just because we've talked, you know, on Twitter and things like that, just fountain pen nibs alone, there's, you know, a Japanese-sized nib with the same markings as a German-sized nib. You're going to get a completely different performance. But we'll save that for another time. That's definitely a topic we will cover.

Myke Hurley: Cool. Wow. A couple left. Smooth and scratchy.

Brad Dowdy: Yeah. That's just people. The hardest thing about explaining some pens to someone is they want to know how does it write and how does it feel? Well, there's only so many words you can use to tell someone, you know, halfway across the world how a pen feels when you write. So I always try to relate, you know, at least in general terms, when the tip is on the paper, does it feel smooth? Is there some type of feedback when I'm writing like a scratchy? You know, I always try to relate. I always try to relate. I kind of have a baseline pen. You know, if a Pilot G2, you know, is very smooth, you know, how would a high-tech C relate to it? You know, is it less smooth or is it more scratchy? And that's just trying to help. That's something I always wanted to know when I started The Pen Addict. And that's why I started it. You know, I wanted to write my reviews handwritten, not typed. What's the point of a pen review blog where I'm just typing about the pen? And I wanted to put it down on paper and talk about what I felt when I was writing with the pen and how the pen and ink performed. So, you know, you just use those general terms, smooth and scratchy, to kind of give readers and now listeners an idea of what to expect when they're writing with that pen. And I'll say this. Everyone sees it differently, right? That's why this is such a cool topic to me. What's my favorite pen may not work for you and you may hate it. And, you know, that process of finding, you know, the best pen for you, it's never ending, but it's a fun journey.

Myke Hurley: Before we wrap this episode up, I just thought, is there anything around pencils? Because we've mentioned pens, but are there any pencil terms that are worth bringing up?

Brad Dowdy: Yeah, there's a few. I mean, I am not a pencil guru, I will be the first to admit. I do use mechanical pencils and drafting pencils a lot, and there is a difference between the two. A mechanical pencil, I would just say, is any general pencil you can find at the store with a more conical shaped tip with a standard click mechanism to extend the lead. Whereas a drafting pencil has a little, it has a different shaped tip. It's more of a, it's actually more of a needle shape, like a pen would be. And the reasoning, the reasoning behind that is, you know, with architects and engineers, they want to be able to see the page and see the, it gives them a little more clearance and clarity around where they're writing and drawing and sketching. So they're designed a little bit differently. And they usually have a few more bells and whistles, like lead indicators to, you know, an architect might have five different lead types in five different pencils. And there's lead indicators and things like that to let him know which pencil to pick up, which has which lead in it. So that, again, more episodes where we could fill up plenty of time talking about that stuff. The one area with pencils where I'm not that all well-versed in is your traditional woodcase pencils. Right. And that's, you know, what you, you know, your regular number two lead pencil, yellow Ticonderoga pencil that you used, you know, all coming up through elementary, middle school, high school, all of that. But I've used a few. That's an area where I'm not an expert. And I have some in mind that I hope to get on to to be able to talk more eloquently about that.

Myke Hurley: Cool. So you'll be able to find a lot of the stuff that we've spoken about today in the show notes, like the links and stuff and some of the equipment that we've spoken about. If you want to get in touch with the show, we'd love any feedback. If you have anything that you'd like to hear us cover in future episodes, then you can do that by going to the contact page, which, again, is 70decibels.com forward slash contact. It's a little contact form there. And you can just select the pen addict from the drop down menu and it will go straight into me and I'll be able to forward it on to Brad if necessary or add it to the topic list where we need to. Yeah. So, Brad, if people do want to get in touch with you individually, though, where can they go to do that? Right.

Brad Dowdy: You can find me online at penaddict.com. You are also welcome to hit me up anytime on Twitter at Dowdyism. That's D-O-W-D-Y-I-S-M. And you can email me at thepenaddict at gmail.com if you have any questions, comments. I always love to talk pens and paper, so I would be happy to hear what you have to say.

Myke Hurley: Cool. And you can find me on Twitter as well. I'm at imike, I-M-Y-K-E. If you don't ask me pen and paper questions yet, but if you want to share with me the fact that you know nothing like I do, then you can feel free to do that there. And we can marvel in Brad's intelligence on Twitter. Bow down. Exactly. We will have to. Bow down to the Dowdy. Bow down to the Dowdy. Is there anything that you want to add, mate, before we wrap this episode up?

Brad Dowdy: I don't think so, except that once you get going on this topic, it seems endless. So I think this is going to be fun, and I'm really excited about it.

Myke Hurley: So we're hoping to have a weekly show. Yes. We're going to be covering topics like the ones that we've mentioned. There may be some video chucked in at some date in the future. And we're also looking to have guests on as well to talk about their pen and paper setups and what they like to use. So I've got lots to look forward to. So I want to thank everyone for tuning in to the first episode of The Pen Addict. I hope you've enjoyed it as much as we've enjoyed recording it. Brad, thanks for taking my invitation to join the network. Absolutely. It's an absolute pleasure to have you.

Brad Dowdy: Hey, I'm in amongst some pretty elite companies, so I'm happy to be here.

Myke Hurley: It's well-deserved. So until next time, bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.