The Pen Addict 236/transcript
| The Pen Addict Podcast Transcript | |
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| Episode: | 236 |
| Title: | More Stuff Inside Your Stuff |
| Release Date: | December 21st, 2016 |
| Hosts: | Brad Dowdy |
| Guests: | No guests this episode |
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| Official page: | Episode 236 |
| Audio File: | Audio Episode 236 |
| Podcast page: | The Pen Addict 236 |
| Length: | 5858 min <br />0.967 h <br /> minutes |
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Myke Hurley: From RelayFM, this is The Pen Addict, episode 236. Today's show is brought to you by Pen Chalet and Harry's. My name is Myke Hurley. I am joined by Mr. Brad Dowdy.
Brad Dowdy: Woo, Pen Addict, woo, RelayFM, woo. We are fired up this morning.
Myke Hurley: We are, we are fired up. I'm happy to be back. I missed another show, I missed another show, I can't believe it.
Brad Dowdy: What is with you this year?
Myke Hurley: I know, I'm actually just the worst person. That's the problem. Yeah. I was late today, I've missed two shows, just a nightmare. I'm a nightmare. I'm a diva now, that's the problem.
Brad Dowdy: It's all gone to my head, all of this has gone to my head. You're a total diva now. I think it's the vlogging part. I mean, when you go to YouTube, that makes you an insta-diva.
Myke Hurley: I think it might be.
Brad Dowdy: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Because now you're all like, eh, Casey Neistat, eh. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Myke Hurley: I wish. I'm a diva. Mm-hmm, yep, that's me. So, last week, the dude stood in for me. I was sad that I didn't get to be on the episode, right? Because I love the dude and I love talking to Myke Dudek. It was a great episode without you. It was a stunner. It was a one for, it was a classic. It was one for the ages. Seriously, it was a great episode. I enjoyed it immensely, listening. I like listening to this show, you know? Well, thanks. I think I said this before, like, when I'm off the show, it's actually quite a treat for me, because I get to listen to the show. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Because I quite like pens, and I like hearing people talk about them. And you guys had a great episode. I loved all the Kickstarter talk. I loved all, like, the shop talk, you know, like, just talking about business. Mm-hmm. I have to throw my two cents in about the Everlast notebook, which is the one with the weird paper. Yeah, the friction one. Because people were sending this to me, and they look like, how amazing this is. It's, like, maybe one of the worst products I've ever seen. Because I hate the friction.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, well, I think it's second worst to their first project, which was...
Myke Hurley: The microwavable notebook.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, which was just a lie.
Pilot Friction
Myke Hurley: There were just so many fundamental problems from a business perspective with the Everlast notebook, right? Like, one of them you guys mentioned, which was the Pilot Friction, right? Like, they're dependent on the friction, which is a terrible pen. And if the friction goes out of stock... I know people like the friction, and if you like the friction, more power to you. I hate that pen. You agree with me, right, that it's not good? You don't find it good?
Brad Dowdy: It has actually improved since they launched it. I actually kind of enjoy it now, so I do not hate the friction.
Myke Hurley: I haven't tried one in many years, so maybe I should give it a go again. But I know... Yeah. Whatever it is, I don't like it enough to dedicate my life to just using that one line of pens, right? Sure. If I use the Everlast notebook. But the problem is, as you said, right? If Pilot change anything, or even stop making the pen, they can't make their notebooks anymore. But maybe that won't be a problem after you've made, like, a million dollars in Kickstarter or whatever. It's up to whatever stupid amount it's up to now. But the other problem is, if you're selling a notebook that's meant to last people for life, you cannot get any repeat customers, in theory.
Brad Dowdy: Right.
Myke Hurley: You can only sell to people once. And that feels like, especially for selling notebooks, a bad move. Like, actually what you want is to build a product that's so good that people buy lots of them, because they use one a month, right? Right. Right. Like, that's the more sensible business approach, rather than, we're going to sell you one notebook that's not even that expensive, and then that's the last notebook you're ever going to buy. And I know the idea, you know, their hope would be that, you know, someone buys one for their work, and someone buys one for home. But you could still do buying for work and home, and replacing them every few months, right?
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, this is the as-seen-on-TV version of a stationary product. This is... It's a one-shot deal.
Myke Hurley: Yep. Like, the world of Kickstarter now is in those two kind of realms, I think, which is, like, the stuff that we like, which is, like, indie people who need some help, like, they're makers, you know, like, people like you guys, people like Studio Neat, you know, like, and all the pens and stuff that we talk about, like, that we love on this show. But then you have the as-seen-on-TV stuff, and, like, you can look at things like the Fidget Cube, which I did back, because I actually do want that. But, like, that is exactly that, right? Like, it's like a big, flashy, hey, look at this, I made this product. Like, it's, you know, hey, Fidget Family, which I can't stand. That's how they address their- Really? Every one of their updates. Hey, Fidget Family. No, no, not in your family. Yeah. We are not, we don't, we're not in a community. I just gave you money for a product. Like, I don't care about the company. Like, and then, like, they tried to, like, make T-shirts, and they wanted to have people, I think it was T-shirts, and they were having people choose on a design. And you could either choose the design of the Fidget Cube, right? Like a T-shirt or the Fidget Cube. It was some merchandise. Or their company logo. Like, who cares about the company? Who cares? Like, anyway, like, this is just this weird world of Kickstarter, and this Everlast lives in that side of it. Right. Which I think is why, maybe why, like, my God goes up immediately when I see things like that. You know, because I like this, I like the hipster Kickstarter. Yeah. But, yeah, that product is just, it's full of problems, and it's just terrible. Like, just, you know, not for me.
Brad Dowdy: I mean, the only problem that they don't have is their bank account. I mean, it's insane. It's like half a million dollars.
Myke Hurley: Yeah.
Brad Dowdy: But, like, I couldn't sleep at night. Like, it's not a product I believe in, so the money doesn't matter.
Myke Hurley: Do you think that they think it's good, though?
Brad Dowdy: Absolutely.
Myke Hurley: Right. Like, you don't think that they're trying to, I mean, because I don't think this is a scam. No, no, no, no, no. This is a bad product, and it has a bad business model.
Brad Dowdy: They actually did something better this time, as opposed to the first one, where they actually made a paper, you know, an air quote paper, right? It's a polyester. Right? So, they actually did something inventive with this. It still requires the friction. I just have, I have just a bigger problem with that first, yeah, with the app and the scanning. And, like, that doesn't even register with me anymore.
Myke Hurley: Like, I would say, like, if you like the Pilot Friction, if that is a pen that you like, and maybe you should get this. You know, like, maybe that this would be a good notebook for you, right? Like, if they really find a way to truly make it come off. Because, like, I even find with the friction that, like, it still leaves a mark there, right? You know, like, if this appeals to you, then go for it. Like, this isn't, like, a scribble pen. Like, this isn't a scam. This is a real product. But it's just a real product that I cannot get on board with. Because I just, it just doesn't excite me at all.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, I'm just jaded seeing that first project.
Myke Hurley: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Brad Dowdy: And that really clouds my judgment of the second one. Even though this is actually a more legitimate project than the first one.
Myke Hurley: I love that. Wake MP in the chat room is calling me out for saying, like, because I make company logo t-shirts. But I would say people do care about our company. Yeah. Maybe a little bit more than they care about the company behind the Fidget Cube. That's all I'm going to say.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Yeah, there's additional meaning there. You know, there's a...
Brad Dowdy: Gosh, I don't know how you put it, you know. It's more personal.
Myke Hurley: There is, yeah. Because this is a relationship built up over a long period of time, rather than the 15 days that Kickstarter has been going. Right.
Brad Dowdy: Anywho. Anywho, let's get on to something cool. I want to hear about this.
Studio Neat Gift
Myke Hurley: I received a mysterious package a few days ago. From my dear friends who I just mentioned, Studio Neat, Tom and Dan. They bought me a gift to thank me for the work that I do with Thoroughly Considered, the show that we do together, which was very, very kind of them. And wholly unnecessary. They really, really did not need to do that. Because I love doing the show with those guys. And so it was a very nice thing to receive. But what I got was surprising to me. It was the Field Notes Brands Hall pen. And when I received it, I was like, wow, okay, well done, guys. Like, that is a very, very great gift. And I just assumed, like, I was thinking, how did Noti get me this? I assumed that they just went to the Field Notes website because they know how much I love Field Notes. And they bought me something from there that they think I might not have. Right? That was kind of my thinking. Because I don't know if those guys listen to the show. I don't think they do very often if they do. You know, like, they're not pen addicts. But I think they listen every now and then for, like, the maker talk.
Brad Dowdy: Well, yeah, they like the analog stuff. Yeah. They make things ancillary related.
Myke Hurley: Mm-hmm. So, basically, my thought was I didn't necessarily think that they had heard me talk about this pen before. And then they said, when I said how great it was, they said that you were involved. And then it all made perfect sense. Because, and I know exactly why you picked this. And this is why you're one of my dearest friends on the entire planet. Because I explicitly remember saying I wouldn't buy this pen for myself, but I want it. And it would be a nice gift. Like, I actually said that when we spoke about this. Because I mean that about this pen. Like, this is a pen that I think is really awesome. But I didn't want to spend $160 on for myself. But if I received it as a gift, it would be amazing. And now I have. And it is amazing. It's beautiful. Oh, my God. It's so beautiful. I have number 55. Oh, cool. I didn't realize they were numbered. That's pretty neat. It's numbered out of 1,500.
Myke Hurley: Very cool. Very cool.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. I want to see some more pictures of it and see how it is in use. And yeah, they called and asked me. We'd been talking about some other things.
Brad Dowdy: Or maybe we were on Slack or something. And they mentioned that they wanted to give you a gift. And I had to think about it for a second. Then it clicked. I was like, got it. And then I used your exact quote. And they're like, really? He said that? I'm like, yeah. He said that. And I was like, okay. This is perfect. I'm like, yes.
Brad Dowdy: So good. You are a hero. I forgot about it until you put it into the notes here. I'd forgotten about that.
Myke Hurley: Yeah. I'm taking a picture of it now for you. I really, really liked this a lot. I'm a bit confused as to what refills will go in it, though. So it comes with a Schneider Top Ball, which is actually a really good refill. But it's no Schmidt refill.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. I don't know. I'm not familiar with the shape of that. I bet it's like a Parker. It's a G2 refill. Oh, it says Pilot G2. Yeah. Not Parker G2. Yeah. Well, if that's the case, you're in good shape. You can use the Pilot Juice. That's what I always put for a G2 refill.
Myke Hurley: Yeah. I might go for that. Because it says AK Schmidt and Euro, but the retrofit won't go in there.
Brad Dowdy: Those, that sentence conflicts itself. I don't think that's an accurate sentence.
Myke Hurley: No, it isn't. I don't think.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So Pilot, does this have the little plastic looks like a propeller shape on the end of the refill? No, it doesn't.
Myke Hurley: It's flat. Like a little bit. There's a spring in the back.
Parker Refills
Brad Dowdy: Okay. I'll have to look at it. But like European G2 or international G2, I should say, is your Parker refills. Yeah. That would be my guess is what this is, but it says Pilot G2, aka Schmidt Euro. That's not necessarily accurate. So we'll look at it. I'll have to look at this refill. I didn't, this is the first time I'm noticing that. So we'll see.
Myke Hurley: But yeah, the Schneider Top Ball, Schneider Top Ball 850 is actually a really good refill. It's very close to the P18, is it 1825? 8127. Oh, you're so much better than me. The one that's in the Retro 51. It's very close actually. Yeah.
Brad Dowdy: Okay. I mean, and Schneider makes great refills. So yeah, I'm just not familiar exactly with this one. So we'll take a look at it.
Myke Hurley: But basically, the pen is really, really nice to hold. You have to hold it a little bit higher than I normally would because it's got kind of like the, I can't, I can't, I don't know how to explain it. The ridges near the nib, like near the tip where the cap clips on. That's not very comfortable to hold. So I've been holding it kind of on the wooden section and it's perfect to hold that way. It's just a little higher than I would normally hold a pen. Right. And I'm sure that some people would be able to hold it by the little metal, like the tip and will be fine. But my hands are maybe a little bit too big for that. But I found the wooden part to be very comfortable to hold on to. And I've been using it a bunch and it comes in a little leather case, like a little leather slip case. I'm so happy to own this thing because it's beautiful.
U-Pen Design
Brad Dowdy: This very much looks like a U-pen. Like we talked about this a bunch when it came out. Like I wouldn't buy this. This isn't necessarily for me. This looks like a U-pen, although I understood like at the time why you wouldn't necessarily buy that for yourself. But like this is a Myke Harley pin. Like I could totally see this.
Myke Hurley: Yeah, it is. Fitting you. A hundred percent. Yeah, I'm really, really happy with it. Like I'm absolutely thrilled. So again, I will thank Tom and Dan and thank you for setting it up for me. You're a good man, Brad Dowdy. And I won't let anybody say otherwise.
Brad Dowdy: Oh, well, yeah. There's that.
Myke Hurley: Yeah, like I just put an image in the chat room and it will be in the show notes so you can see it. I just took a picture of it now. Because one of the great things, right, because of the wood that it's made out of, they all look slightly different. The coloring is different on all of them. I think it's beautiful. It's absolutely beautiful. Wow.
Brad Dowdy: I really like that cap design.
Myke Hurley: Yeah. Yeah. The cap pops off. I do post this one because the pen is very light because it's made of wood. So putting the cap on, like so posting it gives it the weight that it needs. So yeah, but you could easily use it without, but it's actually quite nice to post.
Brad Dowdy: So now that you've posted that picture, you've reminded me of another question that actually kind of relates into our next topic here. You're moved into the new house, right? Yeah, man. Your new desk, new recording setup. Yep. All set. Good to go. At least is, you know, sofas. Yeah, no sofas. No sofas.
Myke Hurley: That's it, but everything else is good. Okay. You know, I'm all set up, like, you know, we're still moving stuff in. We've still got furniture to buy, but the office is pretty set. It's still a little bit more echoey in here than I would like. And as well, I assume the sofa would help with that. Well, whenever it arrives, I need to get a rug. And then once I've got that in, maybe I'll put some soundproofing in, but I'd prefer not to. So, I'm just going to see how that goes as I continue to fill out this office. Everything's great.
Brad Dowdy: I mentioned that because you put a post on Instagram about your field notes in their new home, and that was a lot.
Field Notes Storage
Myke Hurley: So, here's this Instagram photo, right? This is like an Ikea six-draw thing, and I'm basically, I think, dedicating the entire six-draw thing to stationery, which is just incredible. I've got all these, like, little inserts that I put in so everything can be split up. It's fantastic. And also, you know, I've got way more space in there than I need, which is good because I'm future-proofing it. I haven't even put everything away yet. Like, I have, like, this whole big thing to put away, like, this whole big carton I want to put in there. So, I'm still working on it. I'm still working on it. I'm going to have to find some additional notebook storage maybe as well. But anyhow, so my field notes here is just part of what I have. I have those two archival boxes, and the two archival boxes, they have any unopened pack in them. So, singles and twos, where they've maybe taken one out. They're in the two archival boxes, and they're pretty much full. What I've taken a picture of is every single unopened pack of field notes that I own. They're all in that drawer right now. And I need to do something about these. And I want to do something about them. So, you'll see, for example, I have five packs of 2015 XOXO, right in the top left. I have three packs of, I think that white one is Snowblind. I have, like, three packs of Shelterwood. I maybe have, like, eight or nine packs of Dark Sky. Like, these are stuff that I want to try and whittle down a bit. Ideally, I want one of each. Now, that's what I think I want to do. So, I'm trying to work out what the best thing to do is, and I haven't decided. Now, every single listener to this show will say, give away, right? But I don't know if I want to give them away. I could, and that would be great. But they're also worth money, right? So, then do I want to sell them? If I sell them, do I want to donate the money to charity? Like, I don't have any answers to these questions right now. Right. So, I think they're all valid things. I could donate the money to charity, or I could keep the money because I've just moved. You know, I think they're perfectly valid. I don't know what I want to do. And I also know I don't want to sell them all individually.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, that's a pain.
Myke Hurley: That would be painful. I don't really know. I haven't really got an answer yet. So, I know I need to do something. I know I want to do something about them because, you know, like the arts and sciences, I have maybe like four or five of those. I'm going to keep those because I know I could use those. And the byline, I've got maybe six or seven of those. And I'm going to keep those because I know I can use those, right? Like, they are different to me, but I don't need five XOXO, three Shotwood, three Snowblind. You know, I don't need that. It's too much. And really, I want that draw to be a long-term storage of all of the field notes that I get. And I can't do that. Also, I have three Workshop Companion in the top right. Unopened.
Brad Dowdy: You'll never use those.
Myke Hurley: No, I'm never going to use them. I already have a box, right? That I used one of. This is the thing. Like, I won't use any. I will probably not use any of the ones that are in that drawer. But I am a collector. And I want to keep my collection. So, I want to keep the unopened packs in there. And then I add the singles. Because I have singles of all kinds, right? Like, I have a Butcher Orange single. I have a Grass Stained Green single. Like, I have those. And they're staying in the archival box. And maybe at a later date, I'll go through the archival box and remove some of the stuff that I don't want from there. But I know I want to do something with the field notes that are in here. But I haven't decided what yet. What do you think I should do?
Brad Dowdy: I mean, we've talked in the past about you and I, like, somehow doing something for charity with our extras that we need to get rid of. I've thought about that. And actually, separately, and it's probably too late for you to do this. I put the link in the wrong document. But one of our listeners and readers of the pen addict, Bill, he took a bunch of unopened packs, opened them up. And for each Christmas card he sent out this year, he's stuck in a pack of field notes.
Myke Hurley: That's hilarious.
Brad Dowdy: It's like 40. He sent me a stack of all the ones that he used. And, like, the stack of envelopes. It's hilarious. He said we could put it in the show notes, but he stuck in individual field notes in envelopes as he was sending Christmas cards. Obviously, it's too late to do. But, like, whatever you decide to do, it kind of needs to be in one big chunk. I think so. Like, Bill took, like, 10 packs or 20 packs of field notes, opened them all up, and sent them away. Right? It's kind of, you can't, like, just, if you end up just kind of piecemealing it, you'll end up with more and you'll never get down. And it's kind of got to be, like, one big, you basically have to chop off your arm, you know, to stop the bleeding.
Myke Hurley: So then it's like, I don't even know how you sell them. Like, do I put them on eBay?
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Like, I haven't sold any, so I don't know.
Myke Hurley: People that have sold field notes, let me know. I tell you where I don't want to go. The field notes group. I'm not doing it there. That place is just rabid.
Brad Dowdy: Well, you'll get lots of messages. Yeah, yeah, you'll get, like, inundated.
Myke Hurley: It's too much, right? Like, I would post an eBay listing there. But, like, if I go to field notes with it, then I'll want one person who wants one, one person who wants two packs. And I can't deal with that. Like, I agree with you. This has to be one chunk. And that one chunk could be split into three, right? Like, maybe I give some away and sell some. Like, I haven't worked it out yet. But all I know is, like, this has got to be something that I deal with. But I haven't worked it out. I just haven't worked it out. Yeah. I have some serious rarities, I guess, that I'm willing to sell as well. Like, I have two DDC in there. The brown, orange, and brown ones. Like, I want to get rid of one of those packs.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So, you should, maybe you should think of it from, I don't know, maybe you want to get a pin or, like, your Nakaya or something and make you feel better about saving. Okay. This sale is allocated to this bucket. And that bucket is a Nakaya or something like that. So, you can get several hundred dollars towards that pin.
Myke Hurley: I think you just landed it. I think you just landed it. Let's turn that money into more money, right?
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, right.
Myke Hurley: Because this is the thing. Like, I spent a ton of money on this. And there were many things I could do. But the idea of taking that money and turning it into an Nakaya, that's a really good idea. All right. That's what I'm going to do.
Brad Dowdy: Because it's something you've always wanted, right? I mean, it's not like a whim.
Myke Hurley: Like, you and Myke were talking about it, right? Like, I love that part about, like, if you're going to go Rushi, go Nakaya. Right? And I made my decision, but I just haven't pulled the trigger yet. That's what I'm going to do, man. I'm going to take out all of my extras, and I'm going to sell them on eBay.
Brad Dowdy: And then I'm going to take that money and turn it into an Nakaya. Just do it at once. But get them all out there at once. Like, go.
Myke Hurley: If anybody has any advice for how it's best to sell these on eBay, let me know. Yeah, I haven't done that. Like, I should just take a picture of them all and then list them in an inventory.
Myke Hurley: I have no idea. But then, like, where do I start bidding from? I guess it depends how many I take out.
Brad Dowdy: I mean, you could just start bidding at a dollar. If you're going to post it on Field Nuts, it's not going to matter.
Myke Hurley: Okay. All right. Well, we'll see. That's a good idea. It's a really good idea. See, I knew you'd help me.
Harry's Sponsorship
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Brad Dowdy: I shaved this morning, can you tell?
Myke Hurley: I can, actually. You've got that sound about you.
Brad Dowdy: Right, that's how good Harry's is. I mean, you can just, like, tell through the microphone.
Myke Hurley: All right, you've kicked up a bit of a stink again. You know, like, I feel like, you know, we've worked together for long enough now that I see you do things sometimes and I know, like, I know what's going on. So, like, you started tweeting a couple of days ago about the Mod 3, the This Is Ground Mod 3. I'll put a link in the show notes to this in case you don't know what it is. It's basically, like, I guess, in a nutshell, an organizational system, right, which is within a leather wallet. It's like a leather wallet organizational system. There are a bunch of different modifications that you can make to the Mod. And the Mod, there's, like, a range. They have the Laptop 3, Pro, Tablet 3, and Mobile 2. But, like, most people use the Mod Tablet 3, right? Yeah. It's more of a folio. Folio is a good way of putting it. Yeah, it's a folio. Yeah, wallet is the wrong word. It's a folio, right? So, it's got, like, a big zip that goes around it and it's got a bunch of pockets and stuff. And you basically started on a little kick about these saying, has anybody actually got any photos of these where I can see that they're being used practically? Because this is a product which is intended for practicality, right? You're intended to be able to shove a lot of stuff in it and take it on the go. Mm-hmm. And you see these all over the place, like, on Instagram, and they are just stunningly photoed, right? Yeah. Like, everybody's got all of these beautiful things inside of them. And you can kind of get a sense from that just from looking at the product pages, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I would agree with you that I've seen these, like, around a bunch, but it never really seems like... So, I've nearly pulled the trigger on this a few times, right? Yeah, yeah. Because I see these pictures on Instagram and it's like, oh, my God, that's the most beautiful organizational system I've seen in my entire life, right? Like, you just see it and it's like, how is this so stunning, right? So, like, I'm going to put a link in the show notes to Catherine Misuk. She, and again, is trolling you just a little bit with the Panatic badge, which is hilarious. She's taken some pictures of hers recently, right? Because I think that she's been out in opposition of you. Well, we'll talk about that. Okay. We'll talk about that. So, you know, but this is a good example of somebody using the Mod 3, right? Like, the way that it looks, right? It's just this beautiful thing with all this stuff just sticking in it. And, like, people prepare it in such a way to take the nicest of photos because it's so photogenic. So, what you said, and, like, you're kind of the crux of your argument is, I've never seen one of these in a layout that looks like it's being used practically. It just looks like Instagram bait. So, then what happened? I saw this is ground, this Twitter account jumping in a few times, like, trying to calm you down.
Product Design
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, yeah. So, let's rewind. I need to lay some groundwork here. All right. I make things. Jeff and I design things. We grab materials. We put them on a sewing machine. And we try to make very practical, very useful, very thoughtfully designed items that our customers will be able to pick up, know exactly how to use them, and work how we presented them. Mm-hmm. Okay? So, being in that business, we're always looking around at what other companies are doing. So, there's lots of companies I follow, and, you know, watch what they're doing, see what they're making, see what's cool, see what's not cool. One company kept popping up that I do that little, you know, when the dog is confused, and he tilts his head to the side, and it's like, huh? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And it was the, this is ground. And it was specifically the mod, the tablet case, because I was seeing the way it was set up online. And this is long before, you know, I'd met someone like Catherine. This is, I'm talking like a year or two ago. This is a long-seated thing with me. Like, I don't get it. Like, but I just kept watching them blow up. Like, absolutely blow up all throughout my Instagram feed, especially in the past, like, six months to a year. And so, I've always told Jeff, you know, I'd be looking at one of their products, and I'd say, see where this is right here? I would never do that. Like, we will never do this.
Myke Hurley: And what do you mean? Like, where, like, somebody puts, like, a snap or whatever?
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, where there's a snap or where there's a pen holder across from where your tablet's going to be, so you have to close it on top of it. I was like, this is something we will never do. Like, this is not what our customer.
Myke Hurley: You are super, like, particular about things like that, though. Right? Like, I think, you know, you appreciate that you are maybe a little bit more particular than the average person when it comes to pens touching and stuff like that, right?
Brad Dowdy: Sure, because we are in a very particular market. Yeah. This is ground is in a more broad market. I think that's fair to say.
Myke Hurley: Mm-hmm.
Brad Dowdy: So, I look at it from our market and saying, for our case designs and for our customers, we would never implement a design like this. And I kept saying it, and I kept saying it, and I was actually on a call with Lee from ArtSnacks. And we were just, you know, shooting the bull, and we were talking about products and, you know, talking about making things. And I was like, you know, I just don't get this. And he's like, well, you need to buy one and see for yourself. You know, if you're going to keep saying that, why don't you just buy one and see? And I was like, okay, I'll buy one. So, I did. But the day I ordered it, I ordered it one morning. I ordered it from my friends at Huckberry. They actually had to put them on sale, which I thought was a pretty good deal. Well, relative. That's another thing we'll talk about.
Pen Design
Brad Dowdy: So, it just so happened, like, a couple days after I talked to Lee, they went on sale. And so, I ordered one. And after I ordered it, I said, okay, essentially, I've ordered this. I want to see how someone uses this in real life, not in a staged Instagram photo.
Brad Dowdy: I don't know a better way to say that, but that caused problems.
Brad Dowdy: People took that the wrong way. People thought I was taking shots at people like Catherine, which I spoke with her afterwards and made it crystal clear that, like, that was not my intent at all. My intent is, I'm looking at this from a maker's perspective. I manufacture things. I understand how I want things to work. And I'm looking at this product. And the designer and maker in me says, this does not compute.
Brad Dowdy: Catherine has a job to do. It is her job to do these design layouts. I can't think of a more perfect item for her to do her job than the mod. And then a bunch of this is ground products and a bunch of other products. So, her and I had some really, really great conversations. She's a wonderful woman. I consider her a very great friend. That was completely unintentional. Like, people took, like, it's hard for me to realize sometimes I, like, have a platform and an audience. Right? Like, things I say I mean one way. People take them immediately another way. And then, like, run off, like, kindergartners and go tell other people. It's hilarious. I mean, that's the world we live in these days, right?
Myke Hurley: Yeah. But in that regard, you're the guy, Brad.
Brad Dowdy: I know. So, I try to be purposefully thoughtful. So, I was like, so maybe that tweet wasn't very thoughtful. I thought it was reasonable. But, you know, people took it one way when I really didn't mean anything at all. So, anyway, Catherine does wonderful work. Me and her, she actually, you know, has talked to me a bunch. We have talked a lot over the past few days just talking about this product and talking about what goes on with it and things like that. And I'm trying to understand it and, you know, it's not even fair to include her in this conversation because, like I said, she's doing her job. And she's doing exactly what she needs to do with this product. And she's making it look beautiful. And that's how it works. What I want to do is take this product and see how it works for me.
Myke Hurley: Have you found anybody, has anybody sent you pictures that you consider to be acceptable that this is being used practically? Not one person sent me a picture. So, I'm sure you received photos, but you would still class them as just being like, you made this look good for Instagram.
Brad Dowdy: No, I didn't. I didn't get any photos. Not one. Because people assume that, you know, it's just going to be the Instagram stage photo. And, again, there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm not carrying around a picture. I'm carrying around a case.
Myke Hurley: There is an element of wrongness with that because the thought is that this is meant to be a product that is used for you to carry in your stuff around and move your stuff around with. I don't think that it's made to just be photographed. Like, it's made to be a practical thing. Right. So, you know. I mean, if you want to do that, like, if you use it and take photos of it, that's awesome. But, like, I don't think that's what the product was made for.
Brad Dowdy: Right. And you're kind of making my point there. I was like, someone show me this in real life. Like, someone show me how you really use this. And I didn't get any of those. It's like, okay. I said, well, that's kind of telling. That's about the time this is ground jumped in. And then I ended up talking to the owner. And then the owner said, hey, can we jump on a call tomorrow? And we haven't. I mean, he has my phone number and everything. And we've shared emails and things like that. And, like, he's fine with everything I said. You're kicking the apricot, you know. I know. Like, one of the things he said that I wanted to talk to him about is, like, I could tell his defenses went up when he used the, well, maybe this product isn't for you. Mm-hmm. So, I could tell, like, he must get some push. Like, that's the Insta. That's the easy way out of saying, of not wanting to discuss the design, right? You just say, well, then it's not for you. But I don't buy that because of the design decisions that were made. So, maybe we should just talk about that and, you know, and what I see as far as the design. Because I did get it in. You know, like, I ordered it. But, you know, I ordered, what do they call this one? Bomber jacket. It's one of the limited ones from Huckberry. It's really good. Really cool color. It's so beautiful. It really is.
Myke Hurley: It's just so beautiful. Let me, before you dive into this, though. Yeah. Should we take a break? Yeah, yeah. Should we let everyone chill for a moment? Yeah. And then we can come back and talk about this thing. Okay. Because, like, you know, I feel what you're saying. Like, because this is a weird product. And, like, it's a strange thing to get upset about. But it's like, this is a super expensive product that looks really nice. That's intended to serve a purpose. And people say it's awesome. And we can believe that. But, like, show me that you're using it. Because I agree. Like, I've never seen, I've seen lots of pictures of this. I've never seen, like, a person in the airport, like, actually go into the airport. Right? Like, it looks like that they're going, you know. Everything. But the other thing about this, though, is maybe it's just so beautiful that everything always looks staged. Right? It doesn't matter because it is that beautiful. Right? So, that's the other side of that.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, so before you do that, I want to say one thing.
Brad Dowdy: Don't think that I'm not going to make pretty pictures with this. Right? Like, I'm going to throw it out there. You know, load it up how I want to load it up. And it's going to look, you know. And it will be staged because I'm setting it up to take a picture. But what I really want to do is use it throughout the day and report back. And, you know, when I'm opening it and closing it, how are things reacting? And that kind of stuff. Right?
Myke Hurley: Right. But see, this is the thing. So, like, the reason that me and you might say, oh, this looks staged is because when we look at the actual design, the way that things go in this thing, we can see some issues of it. And now you've had it. You can kind of talk about them. And that might help people who are – I expect there are people who are like, I don't understand what you're talking about. Right? Like, they're listening to this. And they're like, well, you know, it's just good looking. Yeah. But there are weird design choices that I think you can see. And I think I know where you're going to go with them as to why this might look like a problem. So, let's take a break. Yes. This week's episode is brought to you by our friends at Pen Chalet. You know Pen Chalet. They are the company that do amazing discounts and do amazing prices and have great quality service and have great shipping rates on all of your favorite pens from all of your favorite brands. It's brands like Pelican, Lamy, Pilot, Amiki, Sailor, Kaweko. They're an authorized dealer of all of them and they're adding new products all the time. They're always adding new styles of pens. They're always doing great discounts. And they have all the accessories that you're looking for as well. They do free shipping on orders of over $50 in the United States. They sell internationally with very reasonable shipping rates. Pen Chalet has low prices on high quality pens and offers a 100% satisfaction guarantee. As I said so many times, if you want a pen, if there's a pen you're in the market for, go to PennChalet.com first because if you find it there, you can get 10% off anything at any time. All you need to do is go to PennChalet.com, P-N-C-H-A-L-E-T.com, click the podcast link at the top of the website and use the password PennAddict. This will give you the code that you need to save 10% on anything at Pen Chalet because it changes week to week so you can keep it fresh. And also that way you get to look at the special offers that Ron puts up. This time, Brad, we have the Takia Covenant fountain pen. I've never heard of these before, but this is another good looking pen.
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Brad Dowdy: All right. So this is essentially going to be an unboxing, an unboxing of my thoughts as I went through it the day that I got it. So like I made note of, okay, from the moment I unboxed it and kind of went through filling it up. So the first thing and the thing you think I'm going to talk about the most, we will, is on the left uppermost side are pen loops. Okay. So number one, they're very tight. You can't get many large pens in there. I got a Pelican M405 in there, which is their smaller model. And it was a super, super tight fit. And then I squeezed in a pen type B in there as well. And that was even harder to get in through, but that's not necessarily a tiny barrel pen.
Brad Dowdy: Opposite of that is your tablet pocket. So on the left upper side, you have two pens and you have a third little pocket that uses your headphones. It's a little snap pouch, which I kind of like. So then opposite of that on the right hand side is your tablet pocket. All of these are pictured online with an exposed tablet. The problem is when you shut the case, your pen clips, your pens, even if they're clipless, even if they're plastic, they're hitting and constantly rubbing against the tablet. Either the front or the back, however you're putting it in there. Even with a cover on it, I was able to get in an iPad Pro 9.7 inch with the smart keyboard cover.
Brad Dowdy: And that could fit in there. And as long as the cover is on the top side, well, the tablet's protected, but everything is going to be jammed up against the cover, including pen clips, different metals, the lightning connector, the earbuds from my headphones, the snap that's holding this in, all goes up against the tablet.
Myke Hurley: So that's maybe the biggest concern. Do they actually touch? They would touch. You can see that.
Brad Dowdy: Well, yes, they will touch. But they will have less of an opportunity to touch if this bag is carried not in another bag. If it's just carried solo, you'll have less pressure on it. Okay. Okay. But they can't help but touch when you fill it, when you fill it up and zip it closed. All right. So there's that. Um, on the bottom left is a phone. Well, I used it for the phone, um, to slide in, which most people, I think most of the pictures I saw used it. Um, the phone slid in there and most of the phones were uncovered. I used the Apple silicone case to slide into that spot. Very, very difficult to get it in, even with that thin of a case. Um, but it's also kind of a rubber going against leather into a pocket thing. You know, those are going to break in. Like it'll eventually, you know, widen out, you know, the leather will stretch a little bit and get used to it. But it was hard to get the phone in and out of that spot. But that's something that I think will eventually break in.
Myke Hurley: Okay.
Brad Dowdy: The, on top of that pocket is another snap. Like, I guess it's for headphones or something like that. I never found a use for that snap. In pictures, it was my, one of my biggest flaws I saw in the design. Because people were putting like key chains there. Like people were hooking a key ring to the loop on top of the phone and then shutting their case with keys, theoretically, on top of the phone.
Myke Hurley: Yeah, but there's lever in between it though.
Brad Dowdy: Okay.
Myke Hurley: Would that not protect it? You're going to do that?
Brad Dowdy: Sure. But do you want that like every day, opening and closing on the front of your case? Yes, it will protect it from scratches. But I don't want that to be bumped or hit, you know, unknowingly.
Myke Hurley: Would it be safe to say that maybe you have a problem with three-dimensional organization? Yeah, probably. Is that maybe the thing here, right? Like that you don't like that there are things that are getting layered on top of each other?
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, for sure. For sure. Because the next thing is the zipper pouch. So there's a zipper pouch, which is great. I like to have a zipper pouch to, you know, put smaller things in, smaller items that'll, you know, get loose or roll away or, you know, your dongle town can go in there and things like that. And then, well, that's great, but they've added a strap over the top of the zipper case. So now I have things in the zipper pouch and then I have a strap on top of it that I'm supposed to do what with? Like I put a notebook there just because that's what I saw in pictures. But I don't know. But my notebook is all bulged out because the zipper pocket's all bulged out from the things I've put in it. It's like, just give me the zipper pouch there. I could probably like do without the strap. But like the strap is extraneous at this point. I have other places to put paper and notebooks and things like that. So one of the coolest parts about it is the actual, the pin loop in the middle. That's definitely cool. I like that. It's a little bit wider, longer, and it also snaps out. You can swap in and out, you know, inserts there. So that's like their insert point. There's like, it's got those magnet snaps. It looks like a button snap, but it's really a magnet. Do you know what I'm talking about? So it's like a little, it's a snap, not like a click snap, but like a magnet snap.
Myke Hurley: So there's like a piece in between maybe the leather and it's like, it's just clicking against it.
Brad Dowdy: Yes. So there's like a magnet post and a magnet base.
Myke Hurley: So which one is that again? Which, which snap is that? That's the magnet one. I'm trying to see it on the photos.
Brad Dowdy: It's in the middle. It's where the Apple pencil is or it's where the middle. Sorry. It's where the, it's where my Apple pencil is. It's the middle, the very middle pouch. So that's magnet. Like in the zipper. Yeah. So like that pulls off that pouch. And because it's designed, they have inserts to where you can pull that out.
Myke Hurley: Oh yeah. I get you. I get you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So that comes out and you can put other things there. Like it looks like it's just like a larger, but I can see how it comes off.
Myke Hurley: Like, cause the stitching along the one side makes it, but it's not just the way it's stitched. I get it now. Yeah. That's, that's where you put in the additional parts, right? I assume they're mods. I think they call them mods. I don't know. Yeah. But that's where you can put in like a zipper thing or like you can thing with more snaps. If you want to keep snapping, snap, snap forever. And they have all sorts like notebooks. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that. And there's like this, this one, one of them. Oh, what is it called?
Myke Hurley: There's like a, I think it's called the tech one, which is basically just like another tiny mod free inside of them.
Pen Mods
Myke Hurley: Yeah. You can totally get modded out. But this is why I find it appealing, right? Is that you can really go with this one.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Yeah. So I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm getting there. I'm coming to some conclusions, even just after a day or two. Let me finish these last couple little pockets. The, the, the right side, like I said, the, the main pockets for a tablet or a large notebook, you know, um, probably like a five size, maybe a little bit bigger or, you know, in any kind of tab, a little fit in the large pocket. And in the front of that pocket, the left side has like three, I call them business card slots. They're kind of stacked one on top of each other. I don't really know what to use those for. I mean, I put business cards in there because I feel that's what should go there. I don't know if that's the most useful there, but I don't know what else to put in there. But then the single slot to the right of it will hold a notebook or I have index cards in it. That's a really good pocket. Like I like that. Um, and then when you close the case, the front has three pockets. Um, one wide one in the middle, two skinny ones on the right. Those are practically useless. Um, there's no give on those front pockets. Like I can't even get the tip of my index finger under there.
Myke Hurley: They have the passport and the credit cards.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So like the front middle pocket is good. Like I can see that that's a big pocket. There's two skinny pockets.
Myke Hurley: Oh, I see what you're saying now. Yeah. Yeah. I can't just say put a phone in one of them. Could you not put like a pen in there or something?
Brad Dowdy: You could jam something in there. It'll be really tight. And it's going to bend.
Myke Hurley: It's going to stretch the lever too. Right? Yeah.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So what I'm seeing from this is, I think this is a digital goods case. You know, it's not any type of stationers case like me. Like I'm not going to, pens and paper and stuff in here aren't going to be the best use case for it.
Myke Hurley: I mean, you can kind of maybe use one of their inserts and retrofit it to put pens in. But like, no, this is made for somebody who has a digital life for sure. For sure.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So, and I've always looked at it as, well, this would be great for like analog tools.
Brad Dowdy: That just doesn't seem what it's set up for.
Myke Hurley: Yeah. No, I honestly, I don't know why you would have thought that by looking at it. Yeah.
Brad Dowdy: Because I always see pens and pencils and paper. There's not, you know, there's usually more than just a field notes or more than a pen in this. It's usually multiple stationary items. Right. And so I wanted to load it out with my stationary items and my iPad. And I don't think that's the right way to approach it.
Myke Hurley: No, I think you can put a stationary item or two in there. Right. Right. But it's no, it's no way, no way is it meant for that. This is meant for like somebody who carries a pen and a field notes notebook. Yes. But really, they're traveling with their iPad and their iPhone and their passport and their headphones and their dongles.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. That's what this is for, I think. Yeah. So that's kind of the epiphany I've had so far is like, I'm approaching this from the wrong direction.
Myke Hurley: Yeah, I think you might be. Huh.
Brad Dowdy: Which makes me look at this case differently now. Right. So.
Myke Hurley: But that doesn't, that doesn't necessarily alleviate your concerns about things touching each other.
Case Design
Brad Dowdy: It doesn't. And let me elaborate on that a little bit. So the way the case is designed, it wants you to fill up all the slots.
Myke Hurley: Mm-hmm.
Brad Dowdy: And I don't know, it's asking me to put more stuff in than I would normally carry. Like I designed a bag so I could just carry my laptop and some pens and paper. And you can't carry more than that. This is designed to carry all the things in a weird way, I guess. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, okay, I have these, all these slots on this right pocket, but they're empty because I don't know what to use them for. Like, I'm not going to put my glasses there. Do you know how many pictures I've seen with glasses on the inside of these things? I would never do that. I would never do that. That's one that, that's one that drives me insane.
Myke Hurley: Yeah. I might put an iPad in because like, I think that they could maybe take it, but I'd never put my glasses in there because it's not about the scratching, it's about the fact that it could easily get crushed.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. Yeah. So at some point, this case has to shut, you know?
Myke Hurley: Like, I'm also like, the more I look at these, Brad, like with the insert, like most of the inserts, like not the pencil one, like the actual inserts, the back of them is just plain leather, right? So that would stop the iPad screen from touching anything, right? It's like a barrier.
Brad Dowdy: Like if you had that extra like piece in the middle. Yes. Yeah. That would be good, but I don't, but then that's just more stuff inside your stuff.
Myke Hurley: Uh-huh. Like always, this is, this is a very stuff thing.
Brad Dowdy: This is a very stuff case. Yeah.
Myke Hurley: Basically, this is what you take when you're traveling instead of a bag, right? Like this is putting a bag in your hand.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So I think from the, I think I just need to change my perspective a little bit on this. Um, and look at it from a different way, not from just a, you know, an analog stationary person's way, which is how I've been looking at it, how, you know, a bunch of my friends have been looking at it and asked me about it and things like that. Like, it's really not good for that. And it's just not made for that. And that's okay. That's cool. That doesn't mean it's not a good product. Um, last thing real quick, I want to talk about the price.
Brad Dowdy: So these normally, I think they normally go for about $350. Um, I think that's a fair ballparky price. It's super expensive in the UK. Yeah. Yeah.
Myke Hurley: 322 pounds. I mean, so that's like bad. That's way expensive. I mean, this is just a thing right now. That's VAT plus bad conversion. Sure. You know, with the currency conversions right now. But yeah, so, but that's, that's mega expensive. It's like $500 nearly.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah. So, and then I got this one for Huckberry ran a deal and I got it for $315. Okay. So these prices are like nuts. Like, but then I was sitting there yesterday and our friends over at Tools and Toys, Sean Blanc and Bradley Chambers and Josh Ginter and that whole crew over there. Um, I think Myke Bates did the review on a Bellroy, uh, essentially a field notes cover, right? Just your leather cover that you slide your field notes in and then put that in your pocket.
Brad Dowdy: That cover was $80 and I didn't, I didn't blink. Like did not blink.
Myke Hurley: I'm looking at it now. It's beautiful.
Brad Dowdy: And I'm thinking that's a little flap that you put your notebook, your field notes in and jam it in your back pocket like a wallet. Yeah. And I didn't blink at $80. Makes $315 not sound so bad for this.
Myke Hurley: Yep.
Brad Dowdy: I agree. It's expensive as hell. Don't get me wrong. Like, it is extraordinarily expensive.
Myke Hurley: It's a lot of money, but like relative to what you're getting and relative to other products, it's actually not that bad. Right. Because this is like real leather, right? Like this is like a big leather thing. Did I do non-leather versions?
Brad Dowdy: I don't believe so because I've had a couple of people mention that, that if they had any vegan options, they would consider the setup.
Myke Hurley: Yeah, that seems like a strange choice to me to not do any like, like pleather or anything.
Brad Dowdy: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So maybe they, maybe they will down the line and, you know, maybe I'll, I'll talk to the owner a little bit more and kind of pick his brain. But, you know, I'm a little bit off the ledge.
Brad Dowdy: I don't know if I'm going to keep it and use it, but I am, I mean, I'm going to keep it and use it for now. Like, give me a month or two.
Myke Hurley: Well, I want to see what this thing looks like when you've kitted it out.
Insert Discussion
Brad Dowdy: Yeah.
Myke Hurley: I think you need to get an insert as well, man.
Brad Dowdy: Yeah, I don't know about that. I like how the Apple Pencil sits there in the middle.
Myke Hurley: Well, sure. But the inserts also have the pencil things too.
Brad Dowdy: We'll see. We'll see. I haven't looked, I haven't shopped for inserts, so. The only thing I'm, I had a problem. I took a good kitted out picture yesterday, but since my phone was in the case, I used like a Fuji point and shoot. And then I could never get the wifi to connect to my phone to dump the phone over and my wife's out of town and she has the, she has the dongle town for the SD card. So I was all kinds. I spent like 30 minutes trying to get the damn picture sent over so I could put a new picture up. But that's why there wasn't a second picture yesterday is because I needed my phone. So maybe I'll take it with the iPad and just put the iPad cover in there or something. But yeah. But I have a picture forthcoming once I can get it off the damn camera.
Myke Hurley: All right. I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Brad Dowdy: Do you have a podcast about that?
Myke Hurley: About taking pictures from cameras?
Brad Dowdy: Yeah.
Myke Hurley: No, I don't think so. Maybe I'll look into that. I mean, it seems like it seems like it's clearly a need.
Brad Dowdy: So, so anyway, um, wrapping this all up, I, I like the case. It has serious issues. If you're trying to carry it as an analog tools case and my perspective has changed once I kind of eliminate that and limit, um, the stationary that I carry and use it more as a digital tools and, um, type of case. So, um, I'm glad I bought it to have this discussion, at least with myself, because I would never stop talking about it until I actually got it in my hands. So I'm glad I did that. Um, you know, I always figured if I don't like it, it's nice enough where I wouldn't have any issue reselling it, um, you know, take a little bit of a loss and, but that's okay because I got to experience it and find out for myself. So there's that.
Myke Hurley: If you want to find our show notes this week, you should head on over to relay.fm slash pen addict slash two, three, six. You can find Brad's work online. He's at pen addict.com at dowdyism, D O W D Y I S M on Twitter and pen addict on Instagram. I am I Myke I M Y K E on Twitter and Instagram. We'll be back next time. And thanks again to our lovely sponsors, Harry's and Pen Chalet for supporting this week's show. Until then say goodbye, Brad.
Brad Dowdy: Goodbye, Brad.