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From Relay, this is The Pen Addict, episode 695. Today's show is brought to you by Enigma Stationery and Squarespace. My name is Mike Hurley and I am joined by The Pen Addict, Brad Dowdy. Hi Brad. What is wrong with you, Mike? What is wrong with you? Like, your energy this morning. What? I'm just not feeling it. What are you talking about? What's wrong with my energy? Now I'm aggressive. Is that the energy? I just like to bring in people behind the scenes from like a joke and then make it worse and then no one understands what's going on except me and Mike.

And now Mike's mad at me and that's the energy we need today. Yeah, because it's bad podcasting. I love you, Mike. I love you too. How are things? Yeah, pretty good. Getting ready for Christmas, you know? I'm excited about that. Yeah, same, same. It's, the years moved so fast and now it's like kind of dragging a little bit. Like, it's a weird feel. Yeah, you know what, actually? The pace has dropped. I'm kind of uncomfortable with that. I like the fast, I guess. I agree with you to a degree because I'm excited about Christmas.

And oh, Brad, we have to talk about something we haven't spoken about. Now, I'm going to say this right now because I can't believe I have to say this, but spoilers for the Formula One World Championship. Ha ha ha ha ha! This, like, we referenced it in passing on Upgrade this week and I got a few people writing to complain at me and I'm like, if you're trying to hide yourself from this, like, over 24 hours later, this is not my problem. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Spoilers for out. Wow. Yeah.

Wild to me. Like, someone wrote in and said like, oh, I watch Strive to Survive so I don't bother finding out the winner. It's like, how do you go three months of your life without not knowing this piece of information if you care enough to watch this show? I don't get it. Like, I literally already have Lando, Hilton, Waldorf, Astoria commercials that are brand new from the day since he's won. Like, if you have a piece of information like who wins the World Championship of Formula One, you just should not consume any content until you've gotten to it, right?

Yeah. You just have to stay on the bookshelf there for a little while. Yeah. I don't think- For like six months. Sometimes, like, it's wild. Anyway, we don't need to keep doing this. Sports spoilers. I think you get a day for sports spoilers. I think so, too. I think you get one day. And this was over a day at that point. I'm so happy.

It was- I'm relieved. I'm more relieved than I am happy. Me too, actually. I'm relieved. And that race was stressful. The last month was stressful. What are you talking about? I know. Yes. But I believed, you know? I did, too. But my God. The team did not make it easy. You know, I actually still stand behind their decisions. I think, like, they didn't make it easy. They didn't make it easy the whole time. But I actually think that they- I really think that they were fair to both drivers overall. And I think-

Oh, yeah. Whilst that is a weird strategy to take, it's one they committed to. And at the end of the day, they won it all. So you can't argue that much. I mean, would it have been nice to have had it tied up a month ago? Sure. You know? But, you know, it was a winning strategy for them. And now look. Yeah. Oh, man. I'm sorry. I'm just so happy for Lando. I'm very happy. I'm just so happy for him. Because who knows what happens next year? And, like, this- For all we know, this is his only shot. It was seriously a now or never.

Yeah. Like, it's how it had to be. Yeah. Because no one knows. All pins are off. Nobody knows. Yeah. Yeah. So it's great, great stuff. Anyway, that's not what we're here to talk about.

We're here to talk about pins, Mike. This is the Pin Attic Podcast. I love those. We've been doing this for many, many episodes. I was just looking when I changed this show note doc to $6.95. I was like, that's almost $700. That's a lot of episodes. It is. Yep. I have a very- We're going to talk a little bit about what we're using. We try to do this every month or two whenever we get a chance. Just do, like, a little refresher on, like, what's the hot thing on our desk. I have a very- This is more of an F1 pen than I thought since, like, I wasn't even thinking about that.

But the Lamy 2000 in stainless steel. This is a very sporty, sporty pen that does not get the shine that the classic 2000 in Macrelon, which is the black one. So, this is a pen I've been using for, I don't know, two weeks now? So, like, I rotate through all kinds of pens at all kinds of times and, you know, changing into inks. And I, when we were talking about to continue to relive Toptober, that the Lamy 2000, the Macrelon version, actually made it back into the pens from $200 to $500 list, that I don't own the Macrelon version anymore.

Because, like, in the past, like, these nibs are challenging, right? They're a different feel in the nib. But years ago, I'd come across a stainless steel version with an EF nib, which is my, pretty much the only Lamy nib size that I like because they're so wide and wet. And you just, I just crossed my fingers that the nib was good. It was used. It was a used pen. And, yeah, it's been great. And ever since I wrote about it, I was like, I have to get this pen back in the rotation. I have to get it back in the rotation.

It is such a beautiful pen. And even the Macrelon version is such a beautiful pen, right? Obviously, I, like, I'm not breaking any news here, right? This, it's the Macrelon versions, like, in museums and things like that, right? It's a really, really interesting one. To me, that is the beautiful one. I like the stainless steel, but I'm about the Macrelon one because it is so unique in the way that it feels. Yeah. The only con, really, of the stainless steel versus the Macrelon, it's not even the weight.

It's not an overly heavy pen. As you know, I don't like overly heavy pens. It's not overly heavy. This one doesn't have an ink window. And I'm normally not, I normally don't care about the ink window. But I think on the Macrelon version, I think it's a great design element. Yes, I agree. Because it's more of, it doesn't stand out. Like, you almost don't notice it until it, like, pops and you're like, oh, that's the ink window there, right? Where the stainless has nothing. But what is impressive about the stainless is it's seamless from the, like, the piston mechanism in the back.

Like, it's just, like, I'm using this pen right now today. And, like, you hold the pen in your hand. You can't even see where that piston mechanism is. I'm like, that is just insane quality to continue to build this pen. The only thing I haven't done with this Lamy 2000 is check the current price. So we might have to grab that while we're thinking about this. Because the Macrelon has just gone up and up and up, right? Gold nib, yada, yada. You know, world materials, cost increase. Cost of everything is going up.

I don't know what this pen costs these days. I paid under $200 for this because it was used. And this was, you know, five years ago. So, like, I felt like I got a, and at the time I think it was, like, $300. So I don't know where this one lives these days. But it's a really enjoyable pen that is also as much praise as the 2000 gets either version. It is definitely not a pen for everyone. Even though, like, I put it in my recommendations list. It's still a pen you have to think about. Because it's $320.

That's pretty good. That really hasn't gone up. That really hasn't gone up very much over the past few years. It's always been upper twos and things like that. So, yeah. It seems pretty good. Relative. It's all relative, man. We're talking about numbers. I can't imagine. Yeah. I can't imagine, like, when we started this, the numbers that we're talking about these days. But anyway.

Yeah. It's not quite a pen for everybody. Because there's no stopping your grip, like, from sliding down to the nib. If you're a low gripper or, you know, you have dry hands. If, like, if you have dry fingers, like, that's something we don't talk about that much. But, like, everyone's kind of like... Nor should we. Nor should we. But seriously. With the Macrolon, it's different. Like, it's... The way it tapers, if your hands are dry, you just go zoop right into the nib. And it's just, like, it's not for everybody.

But it's still amazing. So, yeah. I've been using this pen pretty regularly. EF nib. Stock EF nib. It's been fantastic. And I inked it up with an ink we've talked about recently. The Wet Pen Western Trillium. It's purpley, magenta type of color. Which, you know, I like to match my pens. I mean, it's a stainless steel nib. Like, literally anything would go with this. But I wanted a little bit of brightness. And the Wet Pen inks are new to me. And so I wanted to get longer term usage out of those inks.

And start thinking about them a little bit more. And I reviewed it a week or two ago. And it's just a great color. It's perfect for this extra fine nib. Really, really enjoy it. So, that's kind of my pen and ink that I've been using primarily over the last probably two weeks, maybe. Like, I've got plenty of other pens inked up. And I'm testing a lot of different things right now. But that's been the standout. And, yeah. Well, well worth it. The biggest surprise, I think, out of this whole list. And this is actually probably why I put, I wanted to do what we're using, the what we're using list today.

Is because I was just going to do a segment on the review of the Kukuyo Good Tools Soft Ring Notebook. I've had, I don't know, I guess a physical aversion to this soft ring concept as a product. So, when I talk about soft ring, you know, notebooks come in different bindings, right? You can have your hardcover bindings, like, you know, your tape bindings, your solid bindings. Then you have your, everyone's familiar with like a spiral, like wire ring binding, right? So, that's a type of notebook binding.

Well, instead of the metal spirals, they're essentially rubber rings. And I, I guess I never got it. Like, and mostly because the products that I was seeing with the soft rings were very small. Like, we're talking like A7 type of stuff. Maybe some A6, like some little stuff. And I just never really had the use case for that notebook. And now that I've got an A5 one, and the A5 one happens to be as good of a product as this Kukuyo Good Tools notebook, I am stunned at how much I like this notebook.

Just the user experience of this notebook, which is not something we think about a lot. Like, I think about that a lot with hardcover notebooks, right? Because there's a lot of like manipulation that can go on with the binding. And how does it lay flat? Is it really laying flat? You know, how is the paper quality? You know, what is the, is the cover going to hold up? This is like the wildest notebook in that it's insanely basic. It's about $10. 70 sheets. Graph paper. White background paper. And that's like, not a cream, not a cream color or ivory color.

Good for literally everything I threw at it. I don't know. I mean, I know you make notebooks, Mike. And I don't, you know, I don't want to make you feel bad here. I'm not saying it's better. But like, this could be like my stock notebook at the desk. Like, if I was in an office, and you know, I had my sidekick down, like for my, you know, my notes and things like that. I'd want like a shelf full of these Kukuyos like to the side for like my, you know, taking it to a meeting notebook or something like that.

It is that good. I don't, I don't, I don't rave about products like this. Like, well, I take that back. I rave about products all the time. I guess this is just when they surprise me as much as this one did. And it's not like a $25 notebook, right? It's, it's Kukuyo, right? They make mostly school and office products, right? That's their market. So they do inexpensive stuff. And historically, the paper's been great. But the formats have never really fit any need that I've had. And this one, this one does.

It's kind of, I'm kind of shocked. Like, notebook of the year, maybe. I don't know. Wow. So you don't feel like the rings get in your way at all? Never. Like, they almost vanish as opposed to like a wire binding, I would find a little bit more distracting. Do you think that would be a problem for me still? Um, no. Interesting. Because they go flat, right? When you touch them, they squish, right? Yeah, but. And they're wide, right? It's, and they're, the challenge for left-handers, and I have this as a right-hander in my plotters

with the rings, right? Is that with a wire binding, it's more, it's vertical and it's fixed, right? Like, the shape is just the shape. Of a wire binding. So like, when your hand is hitting the wire binding, it's, you're just on that mountain and it's not moving anywhere. With this soft ring, there's some give to it and the top of the ring is flat, right? So it's more of a platformy type of, a squished little platform. You're still going to feel it. Like, I don't want to like completely, um, you know, dismiss that.

But, you know, if, if the rings are a problem and I would just use it in a different orientation, personally. Like, I would just, I'd be using this as a landscape notebook and flipping each page and never touch the rings. I'm going to buy one of these and try it out. I'd be curious. Yeah. Because I can hear what you're saying. I'm dubious. That it will work for me, right? Like, I have no doubt that it is working great for you. I, I am, I am dubious that it will work well for me. Yeah. Because I've just, I've just never already had luck with this kind of stuff.

And so, yeah, you could turn it in a different orientation, which is why I was doing that for a long time. And then I, that's why I made the Sidekick Notepad the way that it is. Because it's like, I don't really want a portrait notebook turned landscape. Like I just, it's just not what I wanted. Um, but it's something that a lot of people can and should do, but it was, it wasn't for me. Well, as a designer of products, you don't want, I don't want to. Like, capitulate in saying, well, you could use it this way.

I want to say, like, this is why I've designed a product. Exactly. To be used as X. Kikuyu did not make it to be used landscape. Right. Just not what the product is. Correct. But you mean, you can use it in a bunch of different ways, but I just bought one and I'm going to try it out. Curious. Yeah. I mean, I know you like to check out all these other different, uh, different types of things. Because I'm always looking for stuff. Because if this kind of thing works, I would be interested in exploring.

Like, this kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, I guess my hang up in the past is, one, it's, it's odd, right? Like, it's not the norm. So, it's, you know, you look at it with a little side eye. And two, the tactile feel of it. I was like, well, this is not a feel, like, just grabbing my notebook that I want this weird kind of soft ring. Like, my notebook is just going to be destroyed, right? Like, this isn't going to work. And that's completely opposite the case. Like, that is not the case whatsoever with this notebook.

In fact, I keep looking for this notebook to grab and use because I'm enjoying it. Yeah. And that's the, my favorite part about all this stationery stuff is being surprised. And that one was, like, a really pleasant surprise for everything. Like, this could be, like, a, this could be, like, the house notebook, right? Like, it's just, it's just that good. You can't add pages to this, right? No. No. So, the, so, like, Morimon does a plastic ring that is not soft, but allows you to split the rings open to add and take out.

I do not like those. Because it's, it's no better than, like, a metal, metal ring. This is not a refillable. It's not designed to be refillable. But it does, it does tear well and it's got a perf. So, it's, you can, you know, just tear from the perf or you can just rip the whole thing out. I was curious, just, like, ripping a whole page out, like, from a wire bound notebook. That always works, right? It's basically, like, a razor just to, like, rip that thing out. And I was, like, oh, is this wide, soft ring going to prevent me from tearing a page out?

I was, like, no, you just tear it out like anything else. It works fine. So, all right. I fond about that notebook too much. I already fond about it in my review. Like, fine. I like the notebook. Sue me. It's really good. I am trying out, you know, I'm a fineliner guy. And I see you actually have a fineliner in here. And we're going to talk about this a lot in this episode. I have given the Statler pigment liner, I guess, short shrift in comparison to what I think is the best is the Secure Pigment Micron.

But every time I see, like, artists who are doing a lot of detail work, if they're not using the Micron, I think the Micron is probably the most popular. I don't totally know. I see an outsized number of the Statler pigment liners. Because with all these fineliners, they're pretty telling in design. Because they're honestly all pretty ugly. Like, the Uni Pen is the only good-looking fineliner, I think. The rest of them are just ugly. It's just they just happen to do their job really, really well.

So people deal with that. I'm trying to decide why everyone seems to really like the pigment liner over, like, the Micron. I don't quite get it. But I'm using it more and more, just trying to get that feel. I feel like if I put them side by side, the same size. So, like, I have an 03 black pigment liner, which is probably, like, the... I guess it would be the same for the 03 Micron, which is a 0.35 tip. The pigment liner seems like the tip is softer. Which is not something I look for in a fineliner.

But I don't know if that's just, like, an inherent bias I have, right? Because I want to like the other pins better. So that's why I've been using this. That's why I use a lot of products, is to try to understand why I've chosen, say, like, the Secura Pigment Micron over the pigment liner. I've never done a proper review of the pigment liner. So I want to do that as well. It's really good. And I'm just trying to, you know, come to a conclusion of which one's number one, which one's number two. I think these are the two bests for the general market.

The Micron has far more options in tip size and color. But the Staedtler seems to work for people, like, a lot. So we're going to keep going with that one. But last pin I've been using, and this is kind of a good combination with the Lamy 2000 and the ink and the notebook. I've kind of got, like, one of not everything, but I've mixed it up. So I was going through a bin of pins recently. As you do. Yeah, I was just, yeah, as you do. You know, when you have, like, I have, like, this bin that gel ballpoint rollerball pins live in.

And I was like, well, there's probably a bunch of dead pins in here. Just things that are just old and janky and need to go away. So, like, let me get them out and test them. I was testing them on stream. And I continue to surprise myself at how much I love just, like, standard pins. I'm breaking out these pins going, oh, this is fantastic. I miss using this. Well, the one pin that has stayed out of the bin and did not go back in the bin so far is, it should be no surprise that it's a Uniball Signo DX, the greatest gel ink pen of all time, the .38 millimeter size.

I had forgotten they did a brown-black gel. And it's so freaking good. This has been, like, my go-to. Usually, I'll either use the regular black gel .38. And I've always said my favorite color is they do a lavender black, which is great. I didn't even remember that they did brown-black. And it's just, it's ridiculously good. It's been staying here in heavy usage over the past few weeks. Nothing more to say about it. This has been a long-term pin that I love. You know, we make a spoke pin around this specific refill because it is specific.

It's not really hot-swappable with a lot of other good pin barrels and things like that. And so now I have had this brown-black gel filling up my notebooks here. So it's been fantastic. So, I don't know. I'm living the pin dream, Mike. Like, I just, I love this stuff. And, you know, ask me tomorrow, like, what I'm using. We can just do, run it back a whole different way. And I don't know. It gets me excited to talk about this stuff still. After 695 episodes, I'm just as excited about a stupid, you know, $2 gel ink pen as I am about a $300 fountain pen.

So, yeah, it's great. Love it. I want to let some of our listeners live the pen dream too, Brad. Ooh, nice. And they can do this by going to Enigma Stationery because they offer unique items that are made from in-house designs alongside top brands and hard-to-find imports. If you're working on holiday shopping for the stationery lovers in your life, Enigma just loaded their latest shipment of new imports, including stamps, stickers, and even that fish-shaped pen case that we spoke about last time.

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That is enigmastationery.com slash penaddict to get a free gift and free US shipping on orders of $50 or more with the code penaddict25. Our thanks to Enigma Stationery for their support of this show and Relay. Can I tell you about a couple products that I think listeners of this show should go buy for themselves for Christmas or point to other people to go buy for them? They're great. So I just popped in. So Enigma does their own in-house designs like you mentioned before. And I was like, what's under the desk accessories category?

And there was only two things, but I happen to own both of those two things. Number one, the psychedelic desk mat. If you're an avid ink user, which if you're shopping at Enigma, you can spill ink on this and you'll never see it. Like this is the best desk mat design because it's just wild. I have it. I don't use it as much on my like work desk that I stream from because the camera would probably have a fit looking at this. But like if you have, you know, a lot of stationery on your desk and you want to kind of protect your desk, that psychedelic desk mat is great.

And paired with the ink towel, which is right there, I have that as well. Like Enigma's covering you like they know you're going to make a mess, but they want you to make sure you look good doing it and kind of hide some of that too from the rest of the household. So a good job with those accessories. I own both of those things. So I thought that was funny to pop that up. All right, Mike, we had a request for shout out of the week. Shout out of the week. Okay. Okay. That's one way to do it. Well, you just felt like you were just launching into it.

How much time have I got? You know, I'm just going to get in there. Yeah. So you did proper for this week, but next week the request has been that you use the T-Pain auto-tune filter. Oh, wow. So that request has come in. So I'm just throwing that out into the world.

I don't even know how it would go. That's a fun idea. I don't know how to do that, but I like the sound of it. So our shout out of the week this week is Abby C. And I can't remember if we've ever featured Abby here on the show, but she's wonderful. I've gotten to meet her a couple of times, hang out with her a little bit. She's a creator, a stationery creator that she does a lot. I think it's like saying she's just like a stationery creator is probably like selling her shorts. She travels a lot, does wonderful like travel vlogs, does a lot of travel journaling, like

that style of journaling that I like where she like goes places and then journals about the places. And she goes through how she puts together like a trip journal and a travel journal. And that's like one of my favorite things to do. So of course, like I love following her and seeing how she does all this stuff. You can catch her at various shows around the world. You know, she comes to like the San Francisco Pen Show. I think she's still based in Germany right now. She moves a little bit, but she'll go to shows, teach classes.

And I know she tries to make a couple of US shows and maybe some other like European shows throughout the year. So definitely highly recommend going to any of her classes, checking out all of her work. We have her link to her YouTube page, but she head up over to abbyc.com. That's S-Y-A-B-B-E-Y-S-Y.com. And you can see like all of her work. She's got like a bunch of books and just cool stuff. She's a really great person. And shout out Abby. Yay. Nice work. All right. You want to know what I've got on my desk?

I do. Just as a, again, I'll give a bit of background for the show. But this in a way of full context, unlike Brad, who just talks about things that we spoke about before the show that aren't anywhere in the show. So Brad said to me today, I was like, oh, I don't know. I haven't got a lot. I don't know how long the segment's going to last. We ended up putting an ad break in between the first segment because Brad spoke for 20 minutes about the good tools suffering. To give me credit, I did say I'm probably going to vamp a lot about these products.

Yeah. But vamping would suggest that you were filling time. And I don't think that that was your intention. I think you really just had a lot to say. Yeah. I cut it short for sure. This is the abridged version. All I need is a yellow number two pencil that we found on the street. And then that's a 45-minute podcast for sure. What is the story of this pencil? Where did it come from? What lives has it led? Can we think about those on the show today? Anyway, so I wanted to talk about what I've been using today.

I will start by saying the notebook in front of me right now is the Sidekick Pocket notebook. I'm using the lined version. Yellow. The yellow, yeah. Thank you. Because we had sold out of the orange grid and blue to do. And I didn't have any.

So I went to lined, even though lined is not my preference. But we have actually just restocked the orange and blue versions. So our dot grid and our to-do versions. So if you have wanted one and haven't had the chance to get one or whatever, they're now available over at cortexbrand.com. So you can go pick those up. Good stocking stuff. Can I pick your business brain? Yes. Does that surprise you? The order of sellout of products? No. Okay. There was a lot of pitching behind the scenes as to how many we should order in the first place.

Yep. And it turns out Mike was 100% right. Yeah. Because we have not ordered more of the lined. We still have enough. And it went in the exact order that I expected. Dot grid sold out first by a bullet and then to-do and then lined was left. It was a bit of a shame. I was hoping for a bit of a stronger performance from the lined notebook than we have gotten. But no. I mean, I think what it is just dot grid. Dot grid is just the best version these days. It is. It is. But the line gang needs to step up here.

They need to step up. I would absolutely agree. Line gang is adamant about lines. Honestly, I think lines is better in the pocket style version like you have. I agree, actually. Right. Which is why the to-do list or what do you call them? The blue one? Is it called to-do? Yeah. To-do. Which is why the to-do does well because you've given your lines a specific job. Right. But just generic lines in the pocket format, I would use that all day long. What I don't want is the 200-page lined A5 notebook.

I'm very out on that. Yeah. I've actually been using the line now for a few months and I've been pretty happy with it in the job that I'm giving it. But yeah, I wouldn't want it to be bigger than a pocket notebook. I wouldn't be happy with that. Exactly. But to me- My favorite note card product we did was a lined note card because it's just the right size and it stays organized. It feels to me, though, that lined is like focal minority stuff. Right. Where you hear from people, I didn't want lined, I really want lined.

And those people do, but they're very loud about it. Yeah. And so then you have lots of lined notebooks. They're last place for a reason, let's be honest. Like I'm open. Hello at pinenec.com is my email address. I will take the hit for that. But like, yeah. Well, nobody can complain to me because I have numbers that back it up. So like, you know, if you're out there and you're like, oh, how dare you say that about lined notebooks? Just go buy my lined notebook and prove me wrong. You know, because currently many, many fewer people have done that to an order of magnitude nearly at this point.

So there you go. But- Good job getting the to-do back before the year turns because I think that's a killer. I love that type of product. Yeah. We had to work pretty hard to get them all to get that restock done. I really wanted it done. And I'm happy that we got it done. Because, I mean, again, it's like logistics stuff. They're like, there are things that I'm learning. No, it's not that kind of thing. There's just things that I'm learning making a product of this physical size that I didn't anticipate that like a small restock can be expensive in shipping because it's smaller.

So it doesn't fill a pallet. Sure. So it has to go by air. And like, that's more expensive. And yeah. But anyway, I'm learning. I continue to learn. And here we are. But yeah, Sidekick Pocket. We just restocked them. You can go get them yourself. Today I'm using the Pilot M90. I was so excited to see this in here. I just love this pen so much. I know. I've always just used Pilot ink cartridges for this pen because the converter is hilariously small. And I would find it really frustrating to have that tiny amount of ink in this.

And what I would do is I'll buy like a couple of boxes of one of the standard kind of Pilot ink cartridge colors. And then when I've used all of those, I'll get a different color. So like at the moment, it's red in there. Okay. But I've had purple before. Because you used purple. Yeah. Yeah. And so we'll see what I end up with next. I wouldn't mind a green. I don't know if they do a green. I expect they probably do. I believe they do. And so that might be what I go with next. Yeah. That's interesting.

Our two fountain pens are both like this silver bullet style fountain pens. Like stainless steel, just classic silver looking pens. Yours is a little bit more pocketable than mine, but mine can still like take a beating. Like I have a huge scratch on this one. I don't even know how I did it. But I was like, yeah, that's what this pen's built for, right? This pen deserves this scratch. Like those types of things don't faze me at all. Like if I'm using the product, I'm like, heck yeah. Like get in there, scratch.

I like it. So yeah, I love seeing the M90. I have not used mine for a while, which means I should probably get that going here pretty soon. And I completely agree on the pilot cartridge versus converter situation. I use more pilot cartridges than any other brand, like by a long shot. Like I'll rebuy pilot like blue black cartridges, you know, if that's what I'm using. Now they also have the Orochizuku cartridges, which are, you can imagine it's a really poor price, relatively speaking, but their converters, their converters are such a bad experience.

It's worth paying the premium for Orochizuku cartridges. I forgot about the Orochizuku cartridges. It's a relatively new thing. It's relatively new. Yeah. No, I remember now. I remember us talking about them, but that now has, that has opened up significantly for when I'm, when I'm going to be replacing this because they have their own, it's proprietary, right? Their, their cartridge kind of, I don't know what you'd call it. The, the attachment mechanism, I guess. I just call it like the, the coupling or the fitting.

Yeah. Yeah. The official term, but yes, it is proprietary. And I mean, yeah, I keep pilot cartridges stocked. I like it though. Like I, I, uh, pilot cartridges, it feels nicer putting those in pens than the standard international. A hundred percent. I think that they've developed a superior, um, coupling mechanism as you would say.

Yeah. All the, oh, well, I'm just going to say all the Japanese brands, but just sailor and pilot have like a wide mouth opening, uh, pilot, uh, Platinum's is a little bit, uh, more big gulp, a little bit more, uh, narrow. So, so yeah. All right. Tell me, pitch me on the Secura Pigma Micron, Mike. Well, well, okay. I mean, this morning I used, it's already my favorite pen and a sidekick notepad. Um, okay. I had my first meeting at eight o'clock this morning, um, which, which is aggressive, uh, even for my new early riser nature that I have, uh, it was an aggressive time to have

a meeting, but I did. And, uh, I was at home and I was at my wife's desk and. And none of the pens were inked up. Like just none. Oh man. To an unbelievable degree. Even like the Mark one was dry. I'm like, what is happening? All right. I'm going to text Adina. Uh, I need, clearly I need to assist her because she's busy dealing with a baby a lot. I think that's why this has happened. She's also, you know, also again, understandably not at her desk as much as she used to be. Um, yeah. So everything was, was empty.

Uh, but there was a secure Pigma Micron inside of a superior labor, uh, case. Yeah. Come on. I know. I know. Uh, and so I grabbed that one. I was like, you'd be fun to use. And it was, it was a great time. I have not used a secure Pigma Micron in a long time. Uh, that is just a, a plus tier pen. Yeah. So good. Yeah. And like what amazes me is their grip section is so bad, but the pen is so good. No one cares. Right. You just don't, when you use them enough, you don't even notice that it's like this sharp

edge that's jamming your finger because the pen's so light. You're not fighting against the barrel to actually use the pen. So you can get away with that. And it's funny how pretty much most of the, like the fineliner market has mimicked that style. They're all like equally poor, equally poor in that area. It's interesting. That's what they chose to go with. Yeah. Like the, the Kuretaki one I talk about all the time, it has like a big cap, like you'd find on like a roller ball pin in a larger section, more comfortable, but everyone else

is like that short cap. You know, a ridge right in your fingers type of deal, but they're just good. That's one of those pens. You just, you know, give me like three of those laying around the desk and I'll be happy, you know, different sizes, different colors. I use black, orange, and blue, black to no one's surprise are my favorite micron colors. They also have a sepia. That's pretty nice. But yeah, I, I take one of these when I travel too, right? It's really good for that because it's durable.

It's just going to work like ballpoint pencil micron. And then like, depending on where I'm going, fountain pen. But I think fountain pen is like fourth in that list when I travel. Like it's going to be micron. It's going to be some type of pencil, probably one of my clutch pencils. And then like a pocket ballpoint, like a spoke roadie, something like that. That's how good the micron is for all kinds of things. It's just a very fun, very versatile pen that just has such a unique feel to it. Do people make, I guess you can't really make like a third party case for it.

Au contraire. Really? Michael Hurley. Yeah. So there's a couple of companies over the years that have made basically like a snap over case. Yeah. I don't want that. They're okay. It's called a jacket. I think they called it like the pin jacket or something to that degree. And then a few years ago. Like the Sherpa. Like the Sharp Sherpa. Yeah. Not that, not that fat of like a big chonky thing. But then Secura came up with their own two or three years ago. Um, there is a review. There is a review on the pen addict.com.

Uh, yeah, that guy. Um, they did like a silver sleeve, a blue sleeve and a black sleeve. They're like 20 bucks. And like one of the good things about the micron is there like a two, two, $3 pen. Oh, I mean this now. I remember this now. Yeah. It's fine. But like when you micron users tend to have, I don't know, five or 10 microns in use. Yeah. This is too expensive of a product if you're using more than one micron. Yeah. Well, this is for the people that like it for writing their notes rather than for art.

Right. Like fair. Yeah. Just buy the one, which I do. Like I'll, I'll keep a separate micron in that sleeve. Like that's not the, even the one I would take to travel with. Right. That one just lays around on the desk. I tend to not use it cause I really don't love the sleeve. It changes what the pen is. Don't, don't you think like maybe Sakura should learn from this?

I don't know. Like if you've made a sleeve, do you not need to like take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you've done that? When you're, when you're the, the, instead of the third party making the, the sleeve. It's like, oh, there's just nothing we can do. Like there's just nothing can be done. We all know it has to be this way. You know, very strange. I would rather have, I would rather have a completely destroyed, used, marked up, washi taped micron than use the sleeve. The, the, the pretty aluminum sleeve, which is, that's what it is.

The sleeve doesn't even really seem like it would solve my problem. Like the grip section doesn't look particularly comfortable. So it's not, what I want is some knurling, you know? Yeah. It solves nothing. Yeah. Yeah. And I, oh, I'll have to go back and look. I don't think I ever reviewed it, but the, the third party version that came out way before this, it might've had like a knurled grip. I'll have to look. It was, it was all black and I can't remember, I can't remember the name of it, but yeah,

it might've actually had like a knurling grip section. But anyway, they're, they're, they have not caught on because this is not how fineliner users use their products. Right. It's, it's not a thing. Right. They just want a handful that they're going to throw in a bag. And they're meant to be picked up, put down. Like they have to be light and quick. Right. Cause like you're, you're, you're, you're drawing, you're illustrating. You don't, you're kind of like throwing these things around the desk.

Like that is the, the, the customer, the, the intended customer for a product is like, yes. Yeah. And then you lose, you lose the sizing and the color markers that you get from looking at like Secura, you know, if I'm picking up the orange one, well, guess what? The end of the pen is orange. Right. So you can't see that when it's sleeved or in the tip size. So yeah, but it's, you know, there, there are, there are better grip sections on other plastic barrel pens. Not many, but they do exist though.

They do exist, but you lose the variety. Like the one that I like, it comes in purple, black, gray, and sepia. I think they're like the only colors you can get. And just like a few tip sizes. Um, I'm just mean that like it exists for them that they could make it better. Oh yes. Yeah. But they're not because the micron is like big crystal level design. Yeah. Right. Like it's noticeable across the room. Mm-hmm. So they're not going to change that. Nor should they. So we've made it through the opening segment of today's episode.

Um, and we now have some follow-up that comes in from Quinn who says, one thought on Sailor's 14 carat, 18 carat nibs. Sailor is unique among the Japanese big three in having their mainline and premium gold nibs be 21 carat. This has been part of their marketing in Japan. They've historically been very proud of this as a point of differentiation, but that has left them even more exposed to the gold price spikes. Tokyo inklings often wondered if they'd make this shift. It is a big deal for Sailor.

It's tough because Quinn is absolutely correct. Is this is the 21 K is where they've planted their flag. Right. And saying, here's why this, this, um, market of like this product lineup is different from pilot and platinum. Their, their main competition because, Ooh, look, our gold is fancier. We have the highest K. We have the, we have the most K of anybody. Look how many K's you can get in this bad boy. That's what they say. Can I get everyone listening to raise your hand if you care? How many?

Well, I don't. Between 21 and 18 K. 21 and 14 K is a choice. It goes back to last week. I don't care if it still feels good. Yeah. Do their pens feel so good because they're 21 karat? That's the, I do not know the answer to that question. I would argue not, but I can't say that I've actually felt it. So that's kind of the thing. I want to see. Like, yes, going from 21 to 18 doesn't sound like that much of a problem, but I want to use it and see myself how I feel about it before I kind of say like, Oh, I don't care

about this. Cause I might, I might care a lot, Brad. Right, right, right. I, I would be skeptical, but Hey, I love being like skeptical and then solving the problem for myself. Just finding out for myself, like a soft ring notebook, like we talked about, I was super skeptical about that thing. It's a lot easier for me to pay $10 for a soft ring notebook than a $400 for an 18 K notebook. But yeah, I think, I guess, again, to Quinn's point, sailor got caught out that they lean so heavy if they're, I've never noticed them in the world markets, but I get that in Japan

that that's their, a point of pride in marketing differentiation to have the 21 K nib in a main product. But then now they're, now what are you saying? And you have to go tell your customers that it were, we're making it worse. Yeah. Right. Like what's the, like I, you're like, you're stuck. There isn't a choice. Is there really? Yeah. Like you're stuck. Like it's, it's not a point being that it's a bad position to be in to say customer, you're going to get less and we're going to charge you more.

Because like we've been telling you our pens are better because of this. And now we don't have that anymore, but the same as everybody else. So now what do I say? Right. Here's a question I will just put to you and this might make me sound ridiculous, but like does lab grown gold not exist? I have never thought about that. Like I know what you're getting at, like with like jewels and diamonds. Yeah. I have no clue. Because if it doesn't. Your point last week was why can't someone make nibs in different.

Or like who is solving this problem? And like this is my second thought on someone needs to fix this of like, well, why, like, why can't something synthetically be made? So I don't know what this means, but Ybarud said if it did, it would be alchemy, not chemistry. I don't understand what that means. I don't know if they're trolling on me right now or what. But we need to get our resident goldsmith back on, Annabelle. Yeah. And talk about the alchemy behind making these points. Like why can't we make a camp?

Gold is an element. Diamond is just how carbon atoms are organized. Okay. Sure. But my point remains that like can't something be created that has the same properties for these purposes? That's, I guess, what I wonder. Yeah. Maybe the answer is no. Outside of mimicking gold, is there a product that could be the replacement for nibs? Which you kind of mentioned last week is like, like, are we just go, are we looking at this wrong in that these nibs have to be gold? Is there something equivalent? I mean, we've had, you know, hundreds of years of people testing, you know, silver nibs

and other material nibs that have never been able to like stand up to stainless steel or gold. Titanium. Yeah. Titanium. Like titanium is just super flawed as a nib. Like it were, it technically works. It's just not widely enjoyable for the most people. Right? Like it's a very specific thing. So, yeah. So, yeah. The way that Discord's reacting right now is making me feel like I'm going to reject, I'm going to really like regret the feedback form. Between now and next week. Keep it going. Keep it going.

So, yeah. So, yeah. It's like, we're definitely like, this seems more of an inflection point than ever. Right? Yeah. We've always had price increases. Yeah. But like when you see what Platinum did in this year, in this year alone, it's like, holy cow. Like this is a problem. Right? And, you know, I was joking yesterday. I was streaming and, you know, looking at some pens and I had like the Lamy CP1 Aquamarine that I unboxed and the TWSBI Eco. And I was like, could I go all year next year never spending over $100 on a pen just as like,

you know, you can get really good stuff for cheap. It just doesn't have a gold nib. I don't know. And not cheap. Cheap's the wrong word. But y'all know what I mean. You know, a $50 pen is insanely expensive. Let's be clear. So, yeah, I don't know like what the market is going to say.

You know, Jacob at Tokyo Inklings, Quinn Minch Tokyo Inklings, Jacob always does a good job looking at Sailor's financials because they're a public company. Sailor and Pilot are publicly traded and he does look at that stuff. So I'll be interested in to see if we see some changes. And like Sailor, I think historically, the fountain pen business has been historically not profitable because they're a robotics company first and foremost, right? Like people forget that fountain pens aren't their primary focus, but they also don't want

to lose money here, right? You can't lose money forever. So it'll be interesting. It'll be next year. It's going to be interesting. We'll see. Because, yeah. And I've said that before, right? Prices have been going up for years and years and years now, but this seems like a more drastic type of situation than we've had to deal with in our hobby in a while. This episode is brought to you by our friends over at Squarespace. They are the all-in-one website platform that is designed to help you stand out and succeed

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the best job. They're actually good at their job at curating. They, I mean, I'm not going to say, like the author Dominique Pariso, I'm not going to say they literally use all these products in here because they probably don't, but they actually, they do understand stationery and what, you know, people are looking for and the things that are popular. So this was a good, really good list. I wanted to just point out this list. I honestly don't have too much to say. I'm going to go through a couple of the products here, but 39 items, you know, it's an

affiliate listicle, like that's just, you know, what these things are, which is totally fine. But, but I would actually like to, I mentioned this when I was looking at this list that I would actually like to like interview Dominique one day because I think they do such a good job. And, you know, this is again, like, this is where we're getting like the Ralph Nader pens feedback and all this stuff. Like they dig into this and I appreciate them for that. So a couple of products. Keeping in this list, which I appreciate.

Yeah. That's another thing is they link a lot of small businesses. You know, there's Amazon links and then there's small business links. So like, it's really, really cool. So I can't tell you the last time I've stapled anything, but this product I've never heard of. The Aleppi Klesia 97 stapler stapler is like the coolest stapler ever. And it's purple and it's sick looking. I just got one of these. I don't know if it's the exact brand, but it's one that looks just like this. I got it from the stationer.

Okay. Nice. I wonder if, I wonder if Tessa's carrying like the same thing. Cause that's a great, what a great looking stapler. One of the products I do use and I need a new one is the date stamps. I like to use those sometimes in my undated journals. Zenith is the one, is the brand that I got mine for. Is it a color? Like, is it like painted? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Super bright and colorful. Nice, nice, nice. Okay.

We'll put a link in the show notes to Tessa's for sure. These date stamps, like this list, why I like this list so much is because it's not a lot of pens or pencils, right? It's more accessories. There are pens and pencils in here, but it's more accessories. And this is like the really good gift giving stuff and the fun stuff. Like I need a new date stamp. Like I ran out the date on mine. I'm like at 2024, I think was my date stamp. Like I just can't make any more current dates. So I've been looking at the date stamps and there's a couple of different options here.

I just saw that Yoseka launched a horizon ballpoint, one of the Oto ballpoints that uses the Oto flash dry gel. These have always been like, you'll see these Mike at the London art center. They always carry these. They're coming like orange and yellow and they're just so cool. So there's a green Yoseka one that just came out. This is just a great gift giving one. There are a couple questions. I would question Dominique if I ever get to interview her about the Graphon Faber-Castell Perfect Pencil.

I was getting ready to mention it, but you got in there before me. You could never recommend that to anybody. The $310 pencil holder. That doesn't work. Like, yeah, I'm fine with the price if it works. I would love to have a Caran d'Ache Matterhorn pencil sharpener that's like $300 or $400 because it actually works. This does not work. This is a bad product. Don't put that on the list. But there's scissors in here, Mike. We had half an episode on scissors one time. So anyway, it's just fun. This is a good list to go through.

The last questionable product is the one at the bottom of the list. Well, okay, it's not at the bottom of the list now. I thought it was the so there's an eraser that looks like a bar of soap. Yeah. And that it's scented. And it's like, I don't get me that. Like, I'm good. I'm covered on that one. Okay. It literally looks like a bar of soap. Astier de Villotte scented eraser. It looks like a bar of soap you'd get in a hotel, right? Yeah. Like, it's marble. Well, it may not be marble, but it's the way like the wrapping is pictured.

So anyway, that's about it. Fun stuff here. So yeah, go check it. Like, if you just need some like random ideas, like even I was looking at this. Oh, I could use that. Like, it was great. Really good put together list.

It just keeps going. Again, there's like 39 items. So if you can't find anything here, yeah, you're probably missing out on this. Can't find it anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. I want to finish out today with a couple of RSTPA questions, but also I want to start off by saying we would like your RSTPA questions. So if you have questions that you would like us to answer for you, just go to penaddictfeedback.com and you can send in your questions there for us. Last episode of the year next week. Yes. It's coming up fast.

We're expecting we'll have some questions to answer next week. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cat writes in and says, lefty support needed. I'm searching for a pen for my husband who is a lefty overwriter. That's just like me. I would go for a Uniball Jetstream. However, he is an absent-minded professor who's always stuffing an open retractable pen in his back pocket and getting stains everywhere. Things seem to be better with capped pens, but the Uniball vision he is currently trying smears a little too much.

Is there a better option? Wow. Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying wow because this is actually a tough, tough call. Yeah. They make a Jetstream that's capped. I cannot recommend that one. Okay. For starters. So the Jetstream product, you know, everyone knows how much I love it, but only from 0.7 millimeters down. Their 1.0 Jetstream refills I find to be inconsistent. And the capped version of this Jetstream uses the 1.0 millimeter refill, so I can't really like recommend that one. Boy, I'm trying to think. So the Oto, I'll have to get the name of it.

It's like a number. Oto makes a rollerball. That's like in the $20 to $30 range. And Tombow makes a very similar one. They're a rollerball pen in the $20 to $30 range. I'm going to get the name of it here. But I can't remember because they're just such a, like a number. Tombow.

Tombow Zoom 505. Is this it? Yeah. So the Tombow Zoom, it's like a $20 capped pen. It's a rollerball ink. So it's going to drive faster than like the Vision. The Vision should. The Vision is horrible as well. I'm going to lose my Uniball job here. The Uniball, the stock Uniball Vision is the worst pen that Uniball makes. It is so inky. You could try the Uniball Vision Elite, right? If you're looking for an inexpensive option or to buy like a five pack. That is a much, much better pen. The ink formulation is different.

It's a little bit drier. It's not as inky. So take a look at that. So it's a step up in style and quality from the Vision. And the ink's different. It dries faster. And it's like a $3 pen as opposed to like this Tombow Zoom that I'm recommending. It's like a $20 pen. But it's a 0.5 millimeter. And it's rollerball. Rollerball inks dry faster out of like formulation, right? The gel takes a little bit longer to dry. Um, so yeah, I'm looking at the Uniball Vision Elite, the Tombow Zoom 505, which comes in a bunch of different colors.

And I can't remember the Oto one. But, um, yeah, it, it's amazingly difficult to find a good capped pen. Um, yeah. Especially like this. But, and to solve a lefty problem, right? Like there's other capped pens you can try, like the Uniball Vision, but that's just not going to work. Um, the paper does matter a little bit, Kat. Like, I'm surprised, like if you're using like copy paper, like a standard office paper, the Vision should be okay. But I'm actually kind of curious now what paper, um, their partner's using.

Hmm. So yeah, feel free to email me for a little bit more details, Kat. Um, but Uniball Vision Elite, right? That's a different pen than the Uniball Vision. And then the, the Tombow, um, might be a good shot just from a rollerball capped ink perspective. So give those a shot. And I'll, I'll see if I can think of any more. And David wrote and said, I'm interested on your thoughts on fountain pen cleaning. Do you flush with water at each ink change, even if it's the same ink? And what are your thoughts on pen flushes such as Monteverdes?

There is some internet chat of them being harsh on pens, but I found it to be great at cleaning out a clogged pen. Should it be used regularly or just when necessary? All right. Great question. And there's a, several different parts to this. So the first piece, do you flush with water at each ink change, even if it's the same ink? Me personally, I do. Because I want to avoid what you mentioned in the third part of this is cleaning out a clogged pen. At no point have I ever had to clean out a clogged pen, right?

So there's something going on here in the, in between cleaning the pen the first time and then using pen flush to clean out a clogged pen. Like those two things are, don't work in my world because I do clean them between every bill, even if I'm using the same ink. That's just me. I will just say, for the record, Dowdy, I do not do what you do and I do not get clogged pens either. Yeah. So I can't answer for why that happens. Yeah. I really. I think it's certain inks that maybe I'm not using that kind of can crystallize a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah. And you know, the shimmer stuff like that can get clogged. Like I totally get that. But a standard ink, you shouldn't like, I don't ever want anyone to tell me that their standard inks are really clogging their pens. Right. Because I think you've gone like a bridge too far in cleaning. In that case, the pen flushes are good. But the reason why I don't use pen flush is because I've never gotten to the point to need pen flush. And that this is a me thing. I'm answering from me because I'm like particular about cleaning my pens, which is why even if I'm going to use Pilot Blue Black over and over and over in my Pilot Murex, let's say, because I use the cartridges, I'm still going to clean it in between because I just want I want the oil change on my car.

Right. Like at some point, like I just want it completely clean and then start over from scratch. That way, if there's a problem, I understand where I'm at in like the cleaning process. Right. Well, I don't have to think. It's like, well, I didn't clean it this time. Ink is liquid, you know. You're cleaning it out. There's water in there. I don't know what to tell you. I do feel like that the flushes, you should only use those sparingly. Like water should be able to do what you need, especially for cleaning.

So, David, I do think you can get away with the same ink maybe two or three times. After that, I'm for sure cleaning it. Right. I know a lot of people will re-ink the same pen. I wouldn't do that infinitely.

You know, after the second or third re-inking, I would 100% clean it. Right. I just never want to get into a situation where I'm having to use like the ink flush because I've done a bad job. And I have. Like I've forgotten a pen has been inked up and stored it. I was like, you know what? It's been a year. I should probably use like a pen flush. Right. But pen flush is not part of my regular cleaning rotation. I literally haven't used pen flush in years at this point. Yep. Even though I have a bottle sitting right here.

Yeah. I'm never to the point where I'm like, oh, my gosh, I need to use this. Makes sense. All right. If you would like to send in a question for us to answer on a future episode of the show, it's really easy to do that. Just go to penaddictfeedback.com or you can click the link in the show notes and you can send us in your questions there. You can also send in longer questions if you have them by email to Brad at hello at penaddict.com. I would like to thank Squarespace and Enigma Stationery for their support of this episode.

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