Editing The Pen Addict 320/transcript

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| name            = The Pen Addict
| number          = 320
| title           = Terrible Advice about All Your Stationery Needs
| date            = August 8th, 2018
| hosts           = [[Brad Dowdy]]<br>
[[Myke Hurley]]
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| link            = [https://www.relay.fm/penaddict/320 Episode 320]
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| length          = 59
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'''Myke Hurley:''' From RelayFM, this is The Pen Addict, episode 320. Today's show is brought to you by Harry's and Squarespace. My name is Myke Hurley. I'm joined by Brad Dowdy.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Hello, Myke Hurley. How are you, sir?



== Show Recap - DC Fountain Pens ==


'''Myke Hurley:''' I'm very good. Very good. Happy to have you here, you know, that you survived the District of Columbia's fountain pens super show.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' It was questionable, right? If I would return.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah, but you did. And I will say I was following along on Instagram with everyone. I was heartily jealous of people hanging out of the show and that I couldn't be there. But it looked really great. So it was fun to see pictures of people in the bar. I was like showing a dinner some and like pointing out, oh no, this is where all the cool kids sit. They're over here on this long table in the corner. So yeah, it looked like a really great time. You seemed like you were in much better spirits than you were last year. So I'm very keen, I think, might as well get us out of the top of the show. I'm very keen to know how the show went for you.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' It was awesome. Every step of the way. So, you know, we had our difficulties last year. They were mostly contained to Friday where the show promoter was not essentially not ready and he failed everyone miserably.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah, I think it's clear to see that every problem of last year's could be put down to the fact that it was a new hotel.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah, well, and the promoter didn't do as good a job as he needed to do.

'''Myke Hurley:''' But I still think that that's part of it, right? So like they got a new place and he didn't know how to deal with the new place. Right, like it just like it all ended up being a disaster because they had kind of no idea how everything worked. And I think that that was part like not being prepared because hadn't had to be prepared in the past, right? Because it was like, oh, I know this place. I know how it works. But that's not how it works.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Right. So last year, the show opens Friday, 10 a.m. Vendors didn't get their tables till most of them after noon or so. And that means that customers have been waiting for even the vendors to get their table. So it was a giant mess. And I'm tired of talking about it, but I do need to talk about it just to set up. So this year, the difference was the exact opposite experience. Like we went down, we had our table, we knew our tables Thursday night. A lot of people started to set up Thursday night. A lot of people were able to set up early Thursday morning. Excuse me, Friday morning. And Jeff and I were ready to go at 10 a.m. Friday morning with a knock table. Like we were set up, we were done. We were open for business 10 a.m. Friday morning. And you can't really ask for much more than that. You know, I repeated it many, many times over the weekend because people who were there last year were curious how this year compared. And people who weren't there last year but read about it and were new this year wondered how it compared. I said we had normal pen show problems, not stupid pen show problems. Like, you know, just the normal stuff that happens at any pen show. You know, the unavoidable, you know, questioning. Oh, is this really our table? You know, things like that. Basic stuff that you deal with at every pen show. Otherwise, it went off without a hitch, in my opinion. At least for us, we had a very interesting table location. We were basically in the hallway entrance to the main ballroom and main hallway of the show.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah, I was a little concerned for you when you told me that. Because I remember last year that every time I walked past the people that were on those tables, I thought to myself, it's a very bad place to be.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah, I was a little bit worried about it, too. And it did get a little bit clogged sometimes, but it never got filled up to where you couldn't really walk by.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Well, I always just thought it was more that people would never stop. Like, they'd never stop to linger because you're going in or leaving. You know, I always thought that, well, like, people aren't going to stop because you're the first table. So they're going to go walk around a bit. And then the other time they're going to see you is when they're on their way out of the door. And they're probably not going to stop then either. So I was a little bit like, oh, I don't know if this is going to be good for him.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Totally agree. And it ended up working out. So it worked like this. When people came into the hotel, they could get to the registration table first out in the hotel foyer. And it was across the hall from the front room of the show. So this room has a giant ballroom, a hallway that wraps around it. And then separate from those is the first room in the front of the hotel. So registration was right across that first room. So we were, Jeff and I were watching people. We thought they might just, like, jump right past us and head on into the big room and, you know, go on about their day. But what was happening is people were checking in and turning right around and going into the first room. So they were ready to start up in there. And then when they'd come out, they'd start making their way down our tables, then into the big room. So, you know, I don't think it was an issue, even though we kept thinking all weekend, well, this could be an issue, especially on Saturday when it's busy. People may just not want to deal with, you know, the traffic there. But the reality is inside the main ballroom, it's much harder to get in between the aisles than where we were. So, you know, it was pretty interesting to see how it all worked out. And in the end, like, it totally worked out for us from a business perspective.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah, and I guess you, again, you have the benefit of there will always be some people at your table, which I think, you know, it does really help at shows because you get people that specifically seek it out because you're Brad Dowdy, right? Or because people want to buy knock products, right? Like, there is a difference to some vendors, I think, in that people are going to the show, some with a specific goal to stop at your table. So, there's always people at the table. And when you go past the table where there is people, you are more drawn to it because it shows there's buyable things on that table. Does that make sense?

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Right, right. It was funny. Elaine from Jetpins was there, one of my really good friends. And she hung out for a little bit. I think it was, I don't know, it was Saturday night or Sunday morning. She says, I'm just going to hang out in here, talk to you guys, because, you know, if no one's at the table, no one's going to stop. So, if they see someone hanging out here, maybe they'll stop.

'''Myke Hurley:''' I'm like, yeah, that's a good idea. And I think it really does help when you guys go to the shows. Yeah. Like, if you had somebody else selling your products, right? Like, if it was just like a table set up by a rando, like, I don't think it would still sell good because your products are good. But I don't think you'd sell as much because you wouldn't have as many people stopping by.



== Show Sales & Attendees ==


'''Brad Dowdy:''' Agree. Agree. So, Friday, the setup went smooth. I think across the board, the show vendors and maybe even the attendees felt it was a quieter day than they remembered from last year. But all of our last year's brains are skewed, right? So, we have a very confusing, like, I couldn't remember what sales we did on Friday last year because it was such a wreck of a setup. We were all very stressed.

'''Myke Hurley:''' My memory tells me it was kind of okay.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah. So, I think, so, like, our sales on Friday, we just thought were okay. Like, it was a real good day, but it wasn't like a blowout, knockout day. But, like, as with any pin show, pretty much the only day that matters is Saturday, right? Yep. If you do super well Saturday, Friday and Sunday, you're happy with whatever you get. So, Saturday, we just killed it all day from the doors open until close. It was a very good sales day.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Excellent.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' And, you know, people were lined up at 9 a.m. to get into the show, you know, out in front of the show tables, and we were ready for them. And just all day, that was just a really good, really good day. Went by quickly. Very, very busy. And then Sunday, a lot of shows, you don't do much on Sunday. Like, Atlanta pin show, we do very little on Sunday. Yet, that's one of our best shows of the year, sales-wise. Sunday in D.C., you stay pretty busy all day. So, we had real good sales. And by the end, we squeaked past the 2018 Atlanta show. This was our most sales ever for NotCo at a single pin show. So, it was very successful for us. And from a business perspective, from a personal perspective, it was extraordinary. The people at this show were amazing. The people at every show were amazing. I feel like I don't ever go, oh, people sucked. They were terrible at this show. But that's just consistently the best part of any show. Getting to meet all kinds of people. Getting to see people from the local show year after year that you've been able to become friends with, you know, online. Then you see them, you know, at their local show. You get to see people who travel from all around the world to make this pin show. Like, I get to see people here that I don't get to see in Atlanta or, you know, other shows that I go to. And vice versa, obviously. So, it's really cool. The feedback, like, on all our products was great. The people that had nice things to say about the podcast. There were actually people that missed you, Myke. They were like, they were sad you weren't there, which kind of confused me a little bit. I wasn't quite understanding that. But I did have you on my chest the whole time. So, I had my Kickstarter Tallulah pin case and me, you, and Anna's heads on a stick. Our little pins. So, you were with us, you know, at least, you know, you were on my body, Myke.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah, there are images of the pins that Anna was sharing. I'll put a link in the show notes. I'm very, very, very, very excited about them because they look very, very good.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Lots of great feedback on those. I wanted to make sure we had those there because we had the black Tallulahs for sale at the show. And those did really well. And I wanted to be able to show people what the Kickstarter one was coming, you know, if they were waiting on those. And I put the pins on there as well. So, it was kind of a neat little thing to do. And sidebar from that, those should be, the Kickstarter one should be arriving at my house this week. Yay! Yeah, so that's good. And we'll get all that, we'll get all that coordinated. But, man, like, just like any show, the people were amazing. This bar scene, like, it's not the best bar setup, but it's pretty good. The only negative surrounding the show, the only thing I can say bad is, like, there's not a lot of food options that are easily accessible at this show. You have to drive anywhere if you want to get...

'''Myke Hurley:''' And the hotel food is bad, very bad. Yeah.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' At least it was last year, it was very bad. Well, the service was very bad, too, which always makes the food taste worse. And that kind of continued this year. They're pretty rough on the service. We overwhelmed them, and they haven't learned the lesson, the staffing lesson from that from the previous year. So, if there was any, you know, one tick in the downside column is that the restaurant and the service staff there is always a struggle. That's been two years in a row consistently. But the bar scene itself, since there's not a lot of places to go outside the hotel, it's packed. Like, jam freaking packed. I didn't leave before 1 a.m. Friday and Saturday night. And that's not like me. I usually go to bed earlier than that because I'm usually wiped out. But there were so many people still there at those times. Like, the bar shut down at 11, 1130 those nights. And when I left about 1 o'clock, there were still dozens of people just hanging out. So, it was good to be around that setup and, you know, just hang out and mix and mingle between, you know, different tables and, you know, different people that you haven't seen, different people you didn't get to say hi to during the day at the show. And it's a real event there at D.C. So, I loved it. It was pretty awesome. And then we all got to come together and pay respects to our friend Jim Rouse. You know, we all had some, a lot of us had different types of display things on our table. Franklin Kristoff, of course, had a big, big, huge display with a print of Jim and flowers and, you know, Coke bottles with Jim's name on it. And, you know, we had a Coke bottle with Jim's name on it. And I gave those out to a bunch of people. I'd ordered some. So, you know, it was nice to be able to talk about Jim and talk about our buddy that we will forever miss. So, I don't want to leave out the wonderful print that Joey Feldman did for Jim Rouse where all of the proceeds for this print are going to Jim's grandchildren who he cared so much about. And, you know, he would always tell me stories about his grandkids, especially when my kids were around Jim. So, it was good to be able to not really get closure on Jim's passing, but just to, you know, pay our respects and share our Jim stories with, you know, a bunch of friends. Like, I haven't gotten to see the Franklin Kristoff team, obviously, since he passed. So, it was nice to be able to chat with Scott and Audrey and everyone there. So, it was really cool. So, this Joey's print, he has it up for sale until Friday. I think the date, he extended the date on the website. So, if you look at the website and it says it ends the 6th, it's actually through the 10th or something like that. So, you should have time to get that. And I thought that was a cool thing. So, big picture. It was practically a 10 out of 10 pen show. Pen out of pen. Yeah, pen out of pen. So, the only negative I can attribute to the show, which probably isn't going to change, is the bar and food scene. Like, we got out of the hotel once.

'''Myke Hurley:''' You know, there's absolutely nothing that the organizers of the show can do. Right? Like, that's on the hotel.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Right. Right. So, yeah. So, like, I have no qualms about it. It was fine. We made it through. You know, we ordered out lunch one day. Had someone, had it delivered. You know, we went out one night. About 10 of us piled in some cars. Drove a couple miles to a restaurant. And so, it was good to get out for a minute. But, yeah. It was fantastic. Just the vibe and the people and just the entire scene was really, really great. A lot of people came to the show. It was packed. So, good job this year, DC. You've redeemed yourself in a quite admirable fashion. And, yeah. I can't wait until next year.

'''Myke Hurley:''' For the majority of people, pen shows are not just for selling. Pen shows are for buying. And I would never believe that you would go to the Washington, DC, Fountain Pen Super Show and not walk away with your wallet a little lighter and your pockets a little heavier. So, I'm sure there's some stuff that you've purchased. But before we do, maybe we should make you some money.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Let's please do that.

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'''Brad Dowdy:''' I had one thing on my shopping list for this show and that was to get a pin case from Yenderings. So, you've probably been seeing these online. A bunch of people have been seeing these online and I knew they were going to be at Toronto. They're from Toronto and I knew they would be at DC. So, I wanted to make sure to pick one up. I ended up picking up two.



== Pen Discussion ==


'''Myke Hurley:''' So, I should probably see them in Toronto. That would be my expectation.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Definitely. So, they will be there and hopefully Yen Yen is going to help me with some logistics questions I'll have on our upcoming Toronto trip. So, she's fantastic and it was wonderful to meet her. I bought, there's two large sizes. One large and one really large pin cases. So, I bought one to give away and I bought one to review. So, I accomplished that. That was the one thing on my list. I marked that off. So, you're going to see more of these coming up soon on the pin act. I haven't used them yet but you will see that in not too long. After that, like by, I don't know, all through Friday. I did that pretty early Friday, Friday afternoon. All through Friday and through most of the day Saturday. You know, I'd walk around a little bit. There was nothing really on my shopping list on my radar. And then, my good friend Ewing who happened to roll by me late Saturday afternoon, like 4 o'clock or so. He's like, hey, did you see these Nakayas? I'm like, this is going to be trouble. So, you know, you don't get to see Nakayas at pin shows very often because there's only one U.S. retailer. And that's nibs.com and they usually only go to the L.A. pin show. So, you'll get to see one or two secondhand Nakayas every now and then at pin shows. But this show had one gentleman, probably had five or six. And then, this second gentleman who I ended up buying from probably had a dozen or more. And Ewing showed me the picture, pointed him out in the showroom. And I ended up with a Nakaya. So, I was pretty happy with it. It was hard to not buy two because the styles were really nice and the colors were something that I wanted in the setup. So, I ended up with a Nakaya Piccolo. I haven't taken a picture of it yet. I haven't. I've been using it, actually. So, I haven't stopped to take a picture of it. And it's a stunner. It's a clipless model. So, it's a cigar. It has a gold broad sub nib or cursive italic nib. And it's the Heki Tamanuri finish, which is the brown finish with kind of the green edges, which is like the best. So, it's really, really pretty. And it's just, I don't know. And the price was really good. I mean, these are all secondhand, but they were like in practically perfect condition.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Did you say it was a portable? Portable?

'''Brad Dowdy:''' I said, I meant to say Piccolo. Okay. Did I say portable? No, that might have been me.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Because I'm just trying to find it. So, I think I'm looking at the wrong one.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah. So, it's a Nakaya Piccolo. Heki, H-E-K-I dash Tamanuri.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yep.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' And I said it was clipless. So, it's a cigar model, not a writer model. The portable is my black one. That's my favorite one. The longer one. There you go. I found it now. Yeah. Sorry. He did actually have the same finish in a different model. The Nakaya model, I think. It's called. It's longer and it's got a little bit of taper on the end. And a gentleman was.

'''Myke Hurley:''' It has the clip on it.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' No. No clip.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Right. So, it's the. So, it's called a cigar. Yeah. Yes. Okay, cool. I'm sorry. I'm just trying to find it so people will know when they go to the nose. They can look at it. But I get so confused when I'm looking at Nakaya.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Their naming conventions. Their naming conventions are very specific and very long.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah. You got to get all the right words in all the right order.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' This is one of the shorter ones, probably. Yep. So, yeah. It's great. I have it inked up and it's fantastic. I'm getting to the point where I think I might just have to commit to Nakaya's and buy like, you know, not spend a lot of money on a lot of pens during the year and buy like, you know, one or maybe two a year and just enjoy those because I love it so much. It's everything I enjoy in a fountain pen. From a style and feel and look and story and quality and everything. Everything I like in a pen. So, it was, like I said, it was hard not to buy two, but I didn't want to spend that much money. But I felt that this one was a really good price and I'm really, really happy with it. So, I got it inked up sitting here today writing these notes.

'''Myke Hurley:''' All of that I find very interesting.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' I'm a little surprised by all of this, to be honest. Well, you don't, this is something you don't ever expect going into a pen show. No. So, like you don't expect to find these things. So, when you have that opportunity and the style and quality and price all line up, it's pretty good. Like, it feels good. So, it was kind of, it wasn't a no-brainer for me. But if I was only going to buy something I really wanted, that was it. I didn't buy anything else. That was the only pen I bought at the show. So.



== Price Negotiation ==


'''Myke Hurley:''' And how good a price is a good price?

'''Brad Dowdy:''' It was $625. Okay. So, I don't know if you've looked them up new or whatever. I don't know if you have a link there. I don't know how much they go for new. But I would think it would be more around $850, $850, something like that. Maybe not for the Piccolo.

'''Myke Hurley:''' If I'm looking at the right one on nibs.com, it's $650.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Okay. So, yeah. So, a little bit less than that. So, that's a good price.

'''Myke Hurley:''' But, you know, a lot of this stuff is, it's more that you were able to get it. Yes. Exactly. You know, like, you didn't pay over. You paid kind of a roundabout what it would cost. But you were able to get it. Yep. And typically, you just can't get these things. You can't just go and look at it and pick it up from a place. It's not a thing that you can do very easily, either in the US or the UK. It's like, oh, I'll just go look at the Nakaya. Yeah. Well, no. Right, right. You can't do that. You have to buy it blind. Right. Which is why I continue to be incredibly hesitant. Right. Because, you know. Oh, as Jim has pointed out in the chat room, that a nib grind would obviously add to the cost. Right? So, that's a good point. Right? So, yes.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' So, that's already done.

'''Myke Hurley:''' It's a very good point. I overlooked that. Yes, of course. If you had some nib work done, then you've maybe got like 100 or 120, 150. You know, you've got a good price in it.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Probably not that much. But still, it's the pen I wanted at a good price. And you can, like, pick it up in your hand and leave with it. Like, that doesn't happen.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah, and I think that is probably the main reason why I've yet to do this. Because it's a lot of money and I really don't want to regret it. So, I kind of remain put off by it. And it's like even one of those things. So, yeah, I can try out all of the component pieces independently. Right. And build something that I'll be, in theory, happy with. But I don't know, man. And sometimes you've just got to feel, I sound so ridiculous, maybe. I don't know. Like, feel like the connection with it. Like, when you hold it. And you know it's for you. Because, you know, it's like the king of pen, right? Every time I saw it, every time I looked it on a website, would never buy it. No interested in it. Tried it.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Got goosebumps. So good. Right. So, like, sometimes you've just got to try it. So, one time, you know, I will go to one of these other pen shows, right? Where you can get this stuff more easily. So, like, as Tony in the chat room mentions, like, L.A. and San Francisco, you're more likely to pick these up, I guess, maybe.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Mm-hmm.

'''Myke Hurley:''' So, in one year, like, I want to go to one of those shows one year. So, like, I might wait until then. We'll see.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' And I inked it up. I picked up a bottle of Faber-Castell Viper Green. It's one of the new colors. Really kind of a bright green, but not like a yellowy bright green, a dark bright green, if that makes sense. It looks perfect in this pen. So, super, super happy with it. But, yeah. It's one of the most me pens I own. So, yeah. It's really, really good. So, now I need to work on selling my other pens so I can buy more Nakias because apparently that's going to be my thing. I was wondering if it was going to end up that way. Like, if I focused on something and that might be it. And I'm good with buying, like, one of those a year. That would be fine. But that's the thing about Nakias is you never know when you're going to run across something.

'''Myke Hurley:''' That is the problem.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' So, now I know this seller and I've already gotten another email. So, even though that was the only pen I bought, I did get some other stuff. I actually got a lot of stuff that you're going to be seeing in reviews. You know, a bunch of stuff I picked up. For reviews coming down the pipe, I've sent a bunch of things out to the different writers for the pen addicts. So, we'll have some other things. But the best thing I got at the show, Myke, was something you couldn't deliver to me. And that's the Lamy orange ink cartridge. So, I just want to say thanks to Anna Incantadora, who was there all the way from Paris. She was in the chat room earlier this morning. We'll see if she's still paying attention. But she brought me two boxes of the cartridges. And they're super great. Like, I really love them. Where did she get them? From the same shop, I believe. We'll have to see if she pops up in the chat room and says. I thought she said she ordered them at the same time we originally mentioned them. Right. And got two boxes. If not, she might have found them locally to her somewhere. Okay. But I think she bought them at the same time that you did originally. And this cartridge is great. You can tell they're old because they're about a quarter of the ink is evaporated already. Right. That's just what happens to ink cartridges, you know, as they sit over time. You know, they're a little bit... A little bit... They're not full. ...vanishes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're not full. So, she does say she got them at a local pair of shop. So, but they're the same boxes that you had, you know, the little not-for-sale boxes. And what's even funnier about this ink is I think we found who got your ink cartridges we ordered. That you ordered. So, I got an email from Gil who had this to say about our process we went through with these Lamy Orange ink cartridges. It says, Greetings. I just finished listening to PA 319. I think that a certain little shop in a certain UK country, I guess that is, where the place names tend to be very lengthy and very unpronounceable, may have recently accidentally filled my order for a certain Lamy Orange ink recently that doesn't really exist, leaving an expectant Myke ink list. I was overdrawed to receive the five boxes, five boxes that I ordered from the unnamed shop. But now I wonder if I'm not partially responsible for the shortage that caused Myke's order to go unfilled. I'll be at the Dallas Pen Show in September and I've decided to gift one of my boxes to Brad. So, Myke, if you like, you can keep the remaining cartridges that you managed to get and not worry about sharing any with Brad. Not that you would anyway. Then I'll be able to better sleep at night without feeling as though I had hoarded the last known quantity of this rare substance on Earth. So, I emailed Gil back and told him that I got two boxes from Anna. And I said if he still wants to give me one in Dallas, that I will give one away to the Pen Attic Reader. So, we'll do that when I get another box of ink cartridges. I will give one away. So, more people can partake in our fun Lamy Orange obsession. That will all go for naught when they launch a Lamy Orange ink probably within the next six to 12 months, right? It's got to happen, right? You'd hope so.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' I hope it's this color. This is a very bright color. It's like Ackerman Orange Bovin or Mont Blanc Lucky Orange. Very, very bright. Very, very orange. Not yellow. Yellowy orange. Not brownish orange. Just like pure traffic coney type orange. It's really, really good. I like it. All right. So, what do we have next? Our good friends at Retro 51, Myke. They listened to last week's podcast. And I'd actually forgot about it. I was going to follow up with it after you mentioned that, you know, maybe the twist came. The twist on the back of the Retro 51 tornado was maybe why it was called Tornado. Yeah. But both of us were too dense to realize that the shape of the actual tornado pin is in the shape of a tornado. We were too fascinated with the twist. I don't know if I would have ever gotten that.

'''Myke Hurley:''' I mean, it's not like pronounced as a tornado, you know?

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah. So, they tweeted about it and put an image out on Instagram of the first tornadoes they built. What they said was, this is a good theory, but the name actually came from the cone shape of an actual tornado. Before it was officially named the tornado, it was called a vintage, which was engraved on the top ring, too. And they put a picture out of some of the very first tornadoes that they made on Instagram. We'll put a link in the show notes to that. So, I thought that was cool. I love it when companies are part of the community like this. Yeah. Like, they're not purely takers. They're also givers. And by takers, I mean just constantly, like, pushing, like, sales without having... Just selling to you all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Without having a human element that can also reply and converse and, you know, teach you things. So, it's nice. I love it when companies are responsive to, like, the little minutiae like this. Like, this is really neat. You know, to... You know, people are having a conversation. They're just not... You know, they're just not out there pushing products all the time. They're conversing with their customers, which I love. So, there's no wonder why we love Retro 51 so much.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yep. It is a great satisfaction to me when I kind of ask a question out into the world and get the answer from the person that knows it. It's a great satisfaction. Like, it feels very good. And it is a good answer. Like, yeah, I can see why you would have called it, but I wouldn't have guessed it. I don't think I ever would have gotten that. Like, oh, they call it a tornado because it's shaped like a tornado. But, of course, it is because it's in a cone, like a kind of semi-cone shape. And I definitely, desperately want one that has the word vintage stamped on it now.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah. So, that's the next campaign, right? I think that's already started. That's already underway.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Because I have some old ones, but I don't think they say vintage on them.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah. I have just the one old one that I think you have that Tiff gave me. Although, Lisa gave us an older one, too. But I think that was still a newer prototype. Yeah. So, we'll have to see. I'll have to go check. But, yeah, I don't think I have any that say vintage on them, but I'll check. But, yeah, the campaign is on to get Myke a vintage. So, that'll be cool. We'll work on that. Another company I love, Myke, my love is deep for my friends at CW&T. So, Stay Away and Taylor, who make my beloved pen type B. Myke, they sent me a pen about a year ago just for fun. And I was shocked when I got it. And I actually replied to him. I was like, oh, I used to have something like this when I was a kid. And you see some of these out and about now. But in typical pen, excuse me, in typical CW&T fashion, they massively, I won't say overly engineer, but they engineer things in a nice, neat, clean CW&T way. So, they're doing the pen type C, apparently, is going to become a thing. And it's nothing like the first two models at all. It's basically a D1 refill pen. And I don't know what the name for these pens are, but they, the style exists before where they have like a snap around arm, if you will. I don't know what you would actually call this. It's a small, thin, rectangular pen with this snap thing. And people, if they look at the image, they will recognize this shape. Like, I literally had like a larger pen like this when I was a kid and it fit this ballpoint refill. Well, this has the ability to just snap in a D1 refill. I've had this thing sitting on my desk forever. It's really cool and really neat. So, I'll be interested to see what they do when they launch this. I didn't know it was ever going to become a thing when they originally sent it to me. And I don't think they did either, but it looks like it's time is here. What do you think about this? Probably, I know this isn't your style of pen, but what do you think about it just in general?

'''Myke Hurley:''' Well, I mean, one, I don't know what it looks like, right? Because I can't see it. The image isn't super clear. You have it in front of you, so you know how it looks. I will say that I'm probably going to be more intrigued in this than the pen type A and B because I just don't like the A and B. Really? It's just not my thing. Well, okay, let's just rephrase that. I like it when it's closed. I don't like it when you take the pen out. So, I'm excited. I know they make good stuff. I'm keen to see what it looks like.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' I will say it is ultra thin. Like, it's as thick as it needs to be to fit that wire to snap over and latch into it, and that's it. And it's titanium, so it's ultra light, ultra thin, ultra small. Well, no. I mean, you don't want to hold it for long writing sessions, but I'm one who can use rectangular barrels. I have, you know, I always raved about my Moleskine rectangular barrel, even though it's large. The, I'm blanking on the name, that just did this, the TI, the tech accessories. They just did a pen that's rectangular in shape. I can use those. You don't want to write a novel with them, but as a portable, like, EDC type pen, it's really, really good for short notes and quick writing. So, yeah, it's really neat. Now that they've done that, maybe I can take some pictures of it. I was always, you know, just keeping that on the, you know, it wasn't a real thing, so I didn't want to publicize it. But I'll shoot them an email and see if I can start taking pictures of this and give you some comparisons. Because it's really, it's, you can't tell how small it is based on the photo that they sent, but it's pretty small, which is a feature. Like, I really like it because of that.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah, it's certainly interesting.



== Kickstarter Plans ==


'''Myke Hurley:''' Do you know, like, are they going to put it on Kickstarter? Is that the plan?

'''Brad Dowdy:''' I mean, they gave it a name and are taking shots of it, so I'm guessing so. The last few things they've done have all been on Kickstarter, the atomic clock thing and the key ring thing. Yeah, they are a Kickstarter company. B was, yep. Yep, so. All right. I'm sure it is, but they haven't heard from them in a while, so I'll shoot them an email, see what the deal is going to be.

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'''Brad Dowdy:''' So on Squarespace, ProTip, if you're on their shop platform or commerce platform, they have an app, and we got an inventory alert for one of our cases while we were away, and we knew we had more of them in the shop. So we just used the app on my phone, added more inventory to one of the Brasstown colors, and that was it. That is a ProTip. You can do that away from home. ProTip. ProTip. All right. Now the ProTip section of the show is called Ask TPA, where we give terrible advice about all your stationary needs. Yes. So Jonathan asks, Brad, now that you have returned from the Washington, D.C. Fountain Pen Super Show, and let's just clarify, it's the Fountain Pen Dot Super Show. I saw that. We can't have a D.C. show without badge mistakes, so that was a large one. So I've returned, and I've seen almost every pen available. What is the fountain pen you love the most when always replaced if broken or lost? It would probably be my Nakaya Portable or my Pilot Murex. I think I will always need to have those pens with me. So my Nakaya Portable was my first Nakaya. It's still my favorite Nakaya. It's the one I use the most. It's the one that means the most to me. And if something happened to it where I lost it, I would certainly replace it, although the color I have it in is not available anymore. So that's kind of the kicker there. And then secondly, the Pilot Murex is just a pen that speaks to me on so many levels. If I ever lost that pen, I would always want it because it's just such an amazing pen, an amazing writer, an amazing piece of technology.

'''Myke Hurley:''' But in the same vein, they don't make it anymore.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' That's true. But I can round them up.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' I would have an easier time replacing the Murex than getting the exact Nakaya that I have. So yeah, those would be mine. So you have a second part of this question, but I want to know your answer to this part of the question. So you have a completely separate question directed at you coming up. But what about this?

'''Myke Hurley:''' So the pen that I would replace without shadow of a doubt, right?

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah. Yeah.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Oh, man.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' I thought this was an easy answer. I thought I knew it.

'''Myke Hurley:''' I don't know. Probably my M90.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yep. That's right.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Which is why I bought a second one. Right. Which has never been used. Right.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' So that's why you can't answer that. That's why you were hesitating to answer that question because you're already kind of covered.



== Pen Replacement Discussion ==


'''Myke Hurley:''' Exactly. Right. Like, it's like, I don't know if... I don't know if I necessarily would call the M90 my favorite pen. Like, it goes backwards and forwards, right? Like, I have other pens that sometimes will edge out. Like, some of my sailors right now, I would consider to, like, I like them more.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' But I would... Would you replace them? Like, there's always another sailor coming.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Probably not. Right. Like, that's why I was, like, struggling with that question a little bit. But the M90, I feel like I have to, for the rest of my life, have one of those.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Mm-hmm.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Mm-hmm. Because it's the most consistent pen I've ever used.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Right. Right.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Like, when I came back from my trip, right, I was away for pretty much three weeks, maybe close to a month, right? And every pen that I've picked up that has been on my desk, I've had to give it some time, give it some shakes, right, to get it working again. Mm-hmm. Not the M90.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Right. It's just ready to go. Yeah. And someone actually tweeted at us, or there was a comment saying someone picked up an M90 this weekend. Because of you, I can't remember who that was, but yeah. Yeah. So, Jonathan continued with a mic question here. What is the pen that has failed you in every way and you would never own again? Visionaire excluded.

'''Myke Hurley:''' All right. So, I struggle with this question. This is a tough question. Well, because I feel like there wouldn't be an answer. Like, I can't think of a pen that I have bought that has failed me in every way. Because if something could fail me in every single way, I never would have bought it. Right. Right? Because there would have been something that I would have realized before I purchased it. Like, that's almost like buying a pen without ever seeing it. Right? Because I bought pens that have failed me in certain ways, but never on looks. Right? Sure. You know what I mean? So, like, if I will buy a pen because I've used it and it feels good, but I don't like the look of it, that's, but then it's not failed me in every way. But other than that, if I've ever used a pen that didn't end up working out for me, I still bought it because I like the look of it.

'''Myke Hurley:''' So, oh, it was Jonathan Brooks that got an M90.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah. Okay. I knew it was someone.

'''Myke Hurley:''' You made a good choice. I was proud of him. So, I'm going to say, I'm going to give two different things here. I'm going to give my biggest fall from grace.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' I think that's a good way to put it.

'''Myke Hurley:''' When you put that, I was like, that's exactly how to put it. So, it's like a pen that I purchased and ended up not working out for me. And then the biggest disappointment that I've ever used. So, the Pilot 4 from, I've spoiled it. The biggest fall from grace is the Pilot Vanishing Point because I coveted that pen. I love the way it looks. I bought it, but I can't use it because it's too uncomfortable for me. The clip makes it too uncomfortable for me. So, that is a pen that I still love the way those look. I love the way the click feels. They work so great, but I just can't use it over extended periods of time. So, what am I supposed to do? You know? Then the other one, my biggest disappointment is the Aurora Optima. I don't think I've ever been more disappointed when using a pen. I picked up yours and it was almost like nails on a chalkboard for me. And I've tried a couple of Auroras since and it just doesn't work for me. I don't like them and I don't know what it is.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah, it's that firm, fine nib in mine. I think it is. You hated it the minute you picked it up, whereas I really enjoy writing with it.

'''Myke Hurley:''' I was so excited to try it because you were going crazy over it. And I put it down and it was like, bleh. And so, Cupcake Girls mentioned I need a clip plus Vanishing Point. I've used them for some reason. Still doesn't work for me. And then I also don't like the holes. Yeah, you've tried Liz's pens in Atlanta before. And they're way better. They're way more comfortable. But it still doesn't work for me for some reason.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Right. Right. I don't know that I have them. I'm kind of like you. I don't know that I even have, I could even name a fall from grace or disappointment, like right off the top of my head now.

'''Myke Hurley:''' I spent a bit of time thinking about my answers to those questions this morning.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' I can tell you a pen that gets rave reviews and I still recommend it, but I never ink it up anymore. And that's my Lamy 2000. I just, you know, it's fine. Like I just have other pens that I use more.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Mine has gone into storage now. It used to be on my desk for a long time. I love that pen. It's a great pen. I just never have a reason to use it. There's always something else I want to use more.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah. And I had nib troubles with mine, right? I had it worked on twice. And so maybe I just have this mental block about it. So I don't know if it's a fall from grace or a disappointment, but it just hasn't hit the rotation in quite a long time. So Jonathan with the trifecta all in, all in one email here. Finally, Michael Marmite, love it or hate it. Have you ever tried Marmite?

'''Myke Hurley:''' No, because I know I'm going to hate it.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' I haven't tried it either, but I would try it. Like I'm game for trying almost anything except like fire peppers. I don't, I have no intention of killing myself. Marmite won't kill me. It'll just be nasty or it'll be fine. So I would try Marmite. This is not a suggestion for anyone to bring me Marmite at a future show. I want to make that perfectly clear, but I have no answer to this question because I've never tried it.



== New Listener Question ==


'''Brad Dowdy:''' All right. Next question, Myke, we got from Bree on Twitter. Has the, she sent in a picture and we'll put the link to the picture in the show notes. So people who are unaware of this issue can see for themselves. She says, has the ink just crystallized at the edges from non-use or is it bad ink? Should I get a new nib? So she sent a picture of her pilot Metropolitan and she's getting like that ink bloom and crystallization like out the sides of the feed underneath the nib. Generally it's from lack of use.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Sometimes it is bad ink. And I noticed that she didn't say what ink she used. So we don't have that bit of information, but in almost all cases, it's easily cleanable. As a matter of fact, this happened to me for the first time ever, Myke. And as long as I've been using fountain pens, I have really good fountain pen hygiene. I clean my pens regularly. And between Atlanta and DC, I had a lot of pens in use and a lot of pens I wasn't cleaning. And I had a Franklin Kristoff with a Mont Blanc lucky orange ink cartridge in it that did this. Like the ink crystallized, it gunked up around the nib, it like grew, you know, it was like, you know, what are those sea monkeys that you get, you know, you put in the water and they expand like that. But it's just because I like, I don't have any reason to believe it's bad ink. It's that I just didn't use the pen and it just kind of sat there and did its thing. So, you know, it's easy to clean off. Just be careful that you're cleaning your pens regularly. And if it's some extreme ink, shoot us a, shoot me an email, shoot another tweet out and let me know what ink it is. You know, different people have problems with different inks and there's no one ink that does it more than the others. So it's generally just from lack of use and the ink flowing. So if it just sits there, it tends to do that from time to time. You shouldn't experience this all the time. Then you know it's a bad ink.

'''Myke Hurley:''' I'm just going to say people always get on me about my fountain pen cleaning. This has never happened to me.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah, no. Yeah. And it happened to me for my first time ever recently. And I just made a mental note of it. Huh? That's new. All right. So Evan wants to know if I love the refill that comes in the retro 51, what red refill can I get that will give me the close experience and still fit the retro? I think those Schmitts come in red. Do they not? I don't know. It's not the same though, right? Yeah. It's still the 81-27. But if not, Monteverde makes a compatible refill. They also have them in gel and they have them in, I don't know, five, eight colors. Red's certainly one of them. So Monteverde, I need to get the, as much as I recommend that refill and everyone can find it pretty easily. I don't know the actual name of that refill. I should probably, I should probably know that and put it in a shortcut.

'''Myke Hurley:''' P8-126 comes in blue, black, green, and red. Okay. Well, there you go. That's what I thought. But the P8-127, which is the real good one, just comes in black and blue.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Okay. P8-126 is what I use anyway.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah, but that, get that in red. The P126 is good and it comes in red and green and I have the green in the Baron Fig.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah, the experiment. That's why I was thinking they came in red because I knew they came in green and blue.

'''Myke Hurley:''' So, yeah.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' So you can get just the regular Schmidt in the P8-126, which is the superior.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Hey, here's something wild for you, right? So we just did an episode of Thoroughly Considered and found out something kind of bonkers. So the guys are making the Mark I, right? Which is their pen which takes the Schmidt refill. And they were looking into buying the refills, right? So they needed to buy the refills so they could put them in the pens. So they went to the US distributor of the Schmidt refill and they got a quote and it was crazy expensive. They compared it with a quote that they got from Schmidt directly. And the quote from Schmidt directly was like half the price. But the only way you can get it from Schmidt is it has to be custom branded. Hmm.

'''Myke Hurley:''' So you can get a custom branded. They get Studio Neat branded version with their own model number the same way that Retro 51 do, right? So you get the Retro 51. It's got its own model number. You get it for one price. Or for twice the price, you can buy it from the US distributor of the Schmidt refill. Nice. So. Feature. Studio Neat are going to have Studio Neat branded versions. Yeah. And then they're going to sell them on their website as well, right? So like, because you can't say, you cannot say it is the Schmidt P8 126 or 127 on the refill. That cannot be on it. It has to be branded as if you created it. It is one of the weirdest things I've heard. And my assumption is just like, it is the markup that the US distributor is using, but they are losing money by doing this.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah. So they, that's what Retro 51 does. That's what Baron Fig does. So there's a lot of. And now you know why. There's a lot of people that have their custom branded Retro 51.

'''Myke Hurley:''' So if you ever see people do the Schmidt pen and they got a custom branded refill, now you know why they have a custom branded refill. Because they. Because it's cheaper. They will not fools.



== Topic Shift - Pen Refills ==


'''Brad Dowdy:''' All right. Ben has the, one of the many answers I got. I got so many responses to this question we asked last week. So Ben says, in the Ask TPA questions last week, a listener asked about protecting the Rotring 600 tip. I had the same question. I had the same one and found that a Uniball Onyx cap works perfectly. Here are photos of the pen and pencil. And I cut one of the caps to show how the tip is protected. So I got so many responses. I bet I had at least 10 responses to this. Most of them all revolved around some form of pen cap. Usually the big crystal. And someone actually brought me one to the pen show in a Paper Mate ballpoint cap. So lots of people that carry the Rotring 600 use just cheap ballpoint pen caps that slide on there and fit perfectly. Even the Onyx here without modification. So there were a couple of eraser suggestions. Especially the ones that slide over the backs of pens. You know, the larger triangle erasers. Which I think we mentioned last week. But unused pen cap seems to be the runaway winner based on my mentions and inbox. So I thought that to be quite interesting. There were a lot of people who were very passionate about this subject. And I appreciate them all reaching out. It was kind of funny.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Alright, last one this week. Lucy, speaking my language here. Any idea where to find green and pink double-ended highlighters? Lots of primary schools in the UK use only those two colors for marking. And I never seem to have the one I want in my hand. Everything I find is yellow. Please say this exists. Lucy, you're in luck. Almost.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Well, I did some research.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Spent some time today and I did some research. And here's the thing, Brad. I don't know exactly what Lucy is asking for. Is she asking for a pink and a green highlighter that has two thicknesses? One on each end. Or is Lucy asking for a highlighter that has both pink and green ink? So... Yes to both. Exactly. I have options potentially for all of this. This is all at JetPans. There are many double-ended highlighters that you can get, right? So you can go for... I looked and one that seemed pretty popular on JetPans was the Zebra Mildliner double-sided highlighter. You can get that in pink. You can get that in green. You can get it in about a billion colors if you want. So that's one that you can go for. Or... This is a cool thing that I found. I was like, I surely can do better than this. Yes. So our favorite company that makes highlighters is Kukuyo, and they do the beetle tip. So I would also recommend, if you do just want a green and a pink, go for Kukuyo because you actually don't need two ends because the Kukuyos are really cool in that it's both on the same end, right? You have one kind of tip, but it does two thicknesses. So they're really cool. They're actually three-way. So check those out. They're really good. I love those things. It's my favorite highlighter that I've ever come across. But using their incredible technology, they have created a dual-color highlighter. So one highlighter. It has two tips on the same end. One is one color. One is another color. But here's the problem. They do a green, two versions of a green and purple, not a green and pink. But I'm expecting you could probably get away with that.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah, maybe. And the pink options both come with yellow. So there's actually two pink options. They both come with a yellow option. So there's not a perfect match, but there's lots of dual-tip highlighters. Maybe one will work. I absolutely recommend anything from Kukuyo.

'''Myke Hurley:''' I haven't used one of these. You might be able to buy it and force it out. And then just, you know, so you buy one that has the pink and yellow and one that has the purple and green. And you just kind of mess with it until you can make your own version.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' I don't know. Yeah. So it comes that there's like a, there's blue and orange and green and purple and then a bunch of light shades. But there's not an exact match for pink and green. But Kukuyo needs to make that happen. Come on, Kukuyo. We love you. You make the best highlighters. So make this happen for Lucy. You're so close.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Well, unless what Lucy actually wants is just thick and thin. Yeah. I don't know. So Lucy, I hope that we've given you something.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' It's a start.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' And this is the end, Michael.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Okay.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Forever? I'm done with you. I'm done with you.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' It's over. Well. At least for today.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Okay. We'll see. Maybe we'll come back next week, huh? Okay. I think so. I'll see how you feel. If you want to find our show notes for this week, relay.fm slash penaddict slash 320. Thanks to Harry's and Squarespace for the support of this week's episode. You should be a cool person. Dear listener. And you should go to twitch.tv slash penaddict. And you should do two things. You should follow. So you'll find out when Brad is going to go live of his wonderful stream. And then you should hit the subscribe button and give Brad some money because he's amazing. Brad streams video games like most people on Twitch. But he also streams what you're looking for, which is pen stuff. So you can see reviews and masterclasses from the wonderful Mr. Brad Dowdy. So go to twitch.tv slash penaddict for that. You can find everything that Brad does mostly at penaddict.com or knock.co. And he tweets at dowdyism. It's on Instagram. He's penaddict. I am imikeimike on Twitter and Instagram. So you should follow me there. I will let you know in case this is such a thing which is interesting to you. We are expecting wedding photos this week. So if you want to be inundated with those, go follow me on Instagram. It's instagram.com slash imikeimike. We'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye Brad Dowdy. Goodbye Brad Dowdy.

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