Editing The Pen Addict 660/transcript (section)

== Shift to discussing music and its connection to writing tools ==

* Congrats on 650 episodes. As I say this in episodes 670. So, again, my apologies for being so late on all these questions. And you may have deleted our podcast from your feeds now. But I hope you did not. Says, I know both of you are big music fans. Do you have any favorite songs about or that reference stationery or writing? My all-time favorite is Empty Pages by Traffic. Steve Winfoad's soulfully belting, staring at empty pages. Echoes how I sometimes feel when I sit down to journal. Other faves? Please, Mr. Postman by The Marbleettes. Dear Diary by The Moody Blues. Traveling Soldier by The Chicks. And Blank Page by The War and Treaty. So, Kimberly, do you even have an answer to this question? I have no idea what you might think. I don't. Yeah. I don't. I don't actually. I don't know that I've come across anywhere. I'm like, oh, my God. This is related to stationery or writing or pens. Yeah. No. So, I read that and was like, I have a blank. And then I'm sure now that I've said that, the next 10 songs I listen to will all be related somehow. But no, I haven't. Yeah. I don't have a favorite. And it's kind of like the severance question. It's like, oh, I notice it when I see it, right? So, if something happens and there's some lyrics that talks about writing or pens.
* But I listen to a lot of rap, as people may know. And there's always, you know, the rappers are always talking about writing a lot. And they will work in various pens and notebooks and fountain pens. And there's, you know, one rapper called MF Doom who has written a lot, who works in pens in various ways. Most of them I cannot repeat on this. I actually looked for one I could actually put in the show and I couldn't. But surprisingly, like this is usually the first one that comes to mind. It's from the Wu-Tang Clan, Protect Your Neck. Ghostface Killer, his verse, you know, my style is wild, so book me. Not long is how long that this rhyme took me. Ejecting styles from my lethal weapon. My pen that rocks from here to Oregon. So, that one is always a classic for me. So, yeah, that's a famous verse in the rap world and probably the one that first comes to mind. But there's a ton more. They're just not fit for this episode without bleeping.
* All right. From Nick, I've been looking at my last Hipponodo, RIP, for a couple months and always ended up to start to buy another notebook. Is there any notebook with similar paper with tons of line pages out there that we can actually buy? So, shout out Nick for bringing this up. The Hipponodo is a long-running, mostly unfulfilled or partially filled Kickstarter project that's been running fulfillment for like five years now. They show up every now and then. But the concept is, I didn't go bother to look up, but we're talking like 400 pages of a notebook, right? Yeah. Is that fair? Yeah. With line pages. And I put in this question, not just a harp on the Hipponodo, which I'm fine doing, but I've had this question before. It's like, this size is such an outlier. Is there such a thing? And this is like, if you didn't have an answer to lyrics, I don't know that I have an answer to this question. I mean, I know that the Taroko shop has 68 gram Tomoe River notebooks, and that's the same type of paper that's in the Hipponodo. I want to say that, I'm trying to figure out which version of it, and how many pages it has, but I think it's the writer, but it might not be the writer. I have to figure out which one it is, because it's hard to remember which one is which. I know that the Breeze has 384 pages, according to their Etsy.
* So that's actually not a bad option for an A5 notebook. It's about $28 before shipping. I believe some folks do sell it here in the States. So 384 is about as thick as you're probably going to find. I don't know that you'll get over 400. It's a really thick notebook at that point. Agree, agree. And that 392 is just one of those numbers that seems to end up there, and like you were saying, 380, whatever. We're not crossing the 400 threshold very frequently, especially now that people are a lot of that came with a Tomoe River paper. And being so thin, it was able to have like a still have a still very thick notebook, but more reasonable than a lot of other papers. So I think it's just a challenge. I don't know that there's anything I can recommend other than the ones that you did. And we'll put some links in the show notes to those that you mentioned. So all right. Last one, Kimberly. All right. Let's do this. And this is an interesting question that I'm still thinking about a little bit because I'm a big fan of the pens that Cody here is talking about. I'm trying to learn art later in life. And the course I'm taking, it's called Draw a Box, which I haven't heard of that. I'll have to check that out. Requires a 0.5 millimeter fineliner for their coursework. The issue I'm having is that with my naturally low drawing angle, the ink can't keep up after some steady usage or I will accidentally damage the nib, rendering the pen useless. I picked up a Copic multiliner SP recently only to find out the nib replacements were discontinued. Are there any other refillable and repairable options out there? And my answer, as far as I know, is no. So like I'm literally using the multiliner SP right now. And one of its great features is that not only is it refillable in the barrel, you can replace the tip. And a lot of these multiliner tips, excuse me, fineliner tips, you know, they're plastic tips, some case fibrous. They're prone to breaking down. My first thing that I thought of, Cody, is what paper are you using?
* Because you're going to have a harder time with any type of rough paper, right? And I just mean marginally rough, right? So maybe there's a requirement for the class that uses a certain type of paper and it might not be compatible with the tip. You're going to go through some of these pens. Like if you're using a Secure Pigment Micron, you might need three of them. You know, if you're using, you know, the Statler, Statler fineliner, you might need three of them. They're prone to damage. At one time, Rotring made their Tiki fineliner. And I'll put in a note to that. And I think other companies use this technology. They actually have a metal underlying tip under the exterior plastic for this for durability purposes. But I don't know that they still make that pen or not. I think they do, but I haven't used them because they're just not as good as the Statlers and the Secure Pigment Microns and the Copic Multiliner. So unfortunately, there's not a great answer for this at that fine of an angle. There's also like the Kuretake does the Karopo line with the replaceable felt tips. You could try that. I usually don't think the ink is as good with those, but they do get down to the finer tip sizes that are replaceable. But you have to kind of like build your own ink reservoir, which is fine. It's easy enough to do. But I generally don't have as good a luck. Those aren't as durable of a tip. And I don't like the ink colors that I can use with those. Do you use any fineliners at all for work or writing or anything like that? That's like one of my specialties. It's like I'm a huge fineliner person. I'm literally holding the SP in my hand right now. No, like I'm sure I can bury, like unbury some somewhere in my collection. I did, I did more of, did have more of those kinds of markers and pens way back when I used to do scrapbooking a lot more.
* But I don't really use that now. I'm pretty much, well, as we all know, fountain pens, but also the typical gel and ballpoints if I'm not using fountain pens. I was thinking maybe the Tom's Studio. They do have replacement tips, like for fineliner tips in various sizes, as well as more of a marker tip. So that's the only thing I can think of that you can easily replace the tips if you're damaging them. And it's fairly inexpensive, like a few, you know, four or five bucks, I think, for a pack of three, I think, something like that. Yeah. And they're using like the similar like Kuropo system that Kurodaki use. They might even be the exact same ones. And again, you just have to check with your, as long as you have the ink that you want, and the ink is going to work as well, because you're going to have to ink those yourself in that type of system. Like, which, which again, it's very easy. Like I've done this before with other, with more, with wider tips.
* They're just, the structure of the tip seems to be a little bit different than like a, you're like a secure pigment micron. But I think it's a cool concept. So that might work in this situation, Cody, for you to try if you're really going through tips. I, I seriously, I would check the paper. I'm curious.
* Because like heavy hand pressure damages these, these nibs on these fineliners. Like they're, they're pretty fragile, all things considered. And they're made to be disposable, unfortunately, until the COVID came along. And now if you can't get the tips anymore, that's, that's kind of a bummer because it's an expensive system to buy into as it, as it, as it is. So. All right, Kimberly, I think we're allegedly caught up. There's a lot more that we probably didn't answer, but we didn't get to today, but we've gone quite a long time. I appreciate all the time you spent with me today. Do you have any ass TPA today? I didn't ask you that. Like, I don't know. I don't. I just hope this doesn't reflect poorly on my annual review. I think you, you passed with flying colors. I mean, you're literally helping me, helping me out by, by appearing when, when my boss isn't here. You like to call me your boss, but my boss isn't here today. So we've, we found an even better replacement. So thank you very much for spending some time with us. And again, if y'all have questions that we will get to eventually, please send them to penaddictfeedback.com. Or if you have a longer than like a 500 character question, because there is a, there's a size limit in that form. You can always free to email me. Hello at penaddict.com. Thank you to our sponsors today. Kenro Industries, Pen Chalet, and ExpressVPN. And until next time, say goodbye, Kimberly. Goodbye, Kimberly.

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