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== Montegrappa Pen Speculation ==


'''Brad:''' Right, right. But the depth gauge, like, this is probably a tool he uses a lot, I would imagine. This is a very, very useful tool for someone who's creating the variety of products that he has been involved in over the decades. And, you know, I don't know anything about micrometers, but, yeah, knock yourself out. Same with the weather station. This one, like, is this, like, on his desk? Is this, like, a pocket carry? What are we doing with the weather station?

'''Myke:''' This is one of those things where, again, I think, like, the tuning, like, the tone arm. Yeah. It's a thing he actually owns and uses. Mm-hmm. But more than anything, I expect just really appreciates the way it looks and functions. Agreed. Because this is, again, like, just.

'''Brad:''' It's the OG Braun aesthetic is what this is. Yeah, it is. Right. And it's fantastic.

'''Myke:''' Yeah. It's, like, just a piece of something, you know?

'''Brad:''' Yeah. It's basically, it's a Navigator ship clock weather station. Yeah. It's, like, a two grand device, like, and, you know, I wouldn't profess to know how to use it. Other than it just looks really cool, right? Yeah. It's really, really cool. So, that's the list. Yep. Minus the most important thing in the list, which we're going to dig into now. Yeah. The fountain pen. Yep. This infuriated me. What, then you start.

'''Myke:''' All right. So, I'm seven. This is why this came across our desks, right? Yeah. Vintage pen by Montegrappa from Johnny's personal collection. So, I have two issues here. One, they didn't do any work in trying to identify the product. And, you know, this is actually the same for, like, the pencil case, right?

'''Brad:''' There's no direct link to this pencil case or anything like that, right?

'''Myke:''' But the thing that frustrates me the most is they have a Montegrappa pen featured heavily throughout the imagery of the entire supplement. But it is not a vintage Montegrappa. That is exactly correct. So, I don't understand. So, like, this is, like, you know, you are led to believe the products you are looking at belong to Johnny. I don't think any of these products do. I assume that the, like, art director at the Financial Times just collected these things and took pictures of them.

'''Brad:''' Well, you see that in the leather case, right? They are not used, right? These are not loved leather goods. Yeah. Right.

'''Myke:''' And it just really, I don't know, it just really frustrates. It just, I just find it very frustrating.

'''Brad:''' But, like, the loop is from his personal collection. I imagine this is, I imagine to a degree some of this is his own stuff because... I don't know.

'''Myke:''' You can buy these things, right? Like, they just bought a loop from Light's, White's, sorry. I'm doing a terrible job here.

'''Brad:''' Yeah, yeah. I'm actually going to go look at those loops. Like, if anything I'm interested in, I'm interested in that loop. But, yeah, the, from our perspective, being the pen podcast, they left us hanging big time and immediately incorrect in their statement, right? Or a mismatch between, you know, what Johnny has offered and what they've showed in the picture. But, again, like the loop from Johnny's personal collection, that tells me that this is his pen. And, Myke, as it turns out, it is his pen. Because we did the follow-up that Financial Times could not do. Uh-huh. So, we got some information. I wanted to know more about this pen because using the word vintage to describe this pen was an immediate red flag. Like, this is a modern Montegrappa just from design.

'''Myke:''' This is the thing. This is where it's like, what is truth, right?

'''Brad:''' Mm-hmm.

'''Myke:''' So, is it that he does actually use a vintage Montegrappa that they didn't identify? Or he uses this Montegrappa, which is clearly not vintage, but they didn't know and just said it was a vintage pen because it was a fountain pen?

'''Brad:''' So, here is their confusion. And, again, like Moon Knight, who used a Lamy Safari with the shipping cardboard still attached to the pen, they could have used a pen person to help them write this description. Because what this pen is, is the Montegrappa Extra 1930, representing a pen originally made in the 1930s, Myke, but is a completely modern, you-can-buy-it-today pen. This is not a vintage pen. Mm-hmm. So, when I saw this, I reached out to Kenro Industries, my good buddies over there. Talked to my friend, Kerry, over at Kenro. They are the U.S. distributor of Montegrappa. And they actually hadn't seen the article. I sent them the article. And I said, can you tell me more about this pen? Just because I want to talk about it and I want to talk about what model of pen it is and what's the deal with this pen. So, Kerry was interested in finding that out. So, Kerry went straight to the top. And I don't mean the top of Kenro Industries. He reached out to Giuseppe Aquila, the CEO of Montegrappa. And he replied.

'''Myke:''' Yeah, you see?

'''Brad:''' Yeah. You see? This is how you get it done. So, I've gotten to know Giuseppe from an event at Dromgoos. He's a great guy. I enjoyed spending some time with him. So, Giuseppe was nice enough to give us the real details and even gave us a little more than we asked for and gave us the permission to share this bit of information. You ready for me to read this? I sure am. All right. So, this is from Montegrappa CEO, Giuseppe Aquila. And he says, Johnny has been a loyal client for a number of years. He loves the Montegrappa configurator. I seeked his advice when we were still beta testing the platform. So, we've talked about this in the past and we'll talk about it again at the end here. One of his favorite configurations is the Extra Custom with Mammoth Ivory and Sterling Silver trims. He owns a number of them, both with piston filling or a version specially made for him with a cartridge converter filling system, which he finds more practical when traveling. We're going to talk about this.

'''Myke:''' That's the last way right there. Oh, my God. First and last word. You lost the last word part, Brad. No one's making you a cartridge converter filling system.

'''Brad:''' This is like a hundred word email that says a lot. All right. It continues. He is an avid fountain pen user and writes a lot by hand. Another product that he loves is our Elmo Ambiente Caledo, which is made using recycled plastics. This model is a favorite for gifting to his friends. Kind regards, Giuseppe.

'''Myke:''' So bad do I want Johnny Ive to give me a pen. You know what I mean? God. This is a cool pen. I didn't know this pen, actually. The Elmo Ambiente pen. I saw it come out. How fun. I bet they all look different, right? I mean, that's just going to be the nature of it.

'''Brad:''' Yeah, exactly. And we'll talk about that. Let's start this from the top. So number one, thank you, Giuseppe. Thank you, Kerry. Thank you so much, Giuseppe. Getting this information.

'''Myke:''' If you hear this, like, this is so cool. I love this.

'''Brad:''' Like, this is, I'm not speaking out of turn. This is, like, important stuff to our fans and to ourselves. Like, this is the level of nerdery that when we get a Financial Times article that says Montegrappa pen, I want to know more. And that Giuseppe was kind enough to spend the time to give us way more than we asked for instead of, yeah, here's the link to the pen that Johnny's talking about. Uh-uh. He's like, let me tell you about my friendship with Johnny Ive and how we work together at Montegrappa. And I'm like, thank you, Giuseppe. I really, really appreciate that. So, yeah, this is cool. So, number one, the Montegrappa configurator. We talked about that a couple years ago when it came out. And it's just a really cool, Montegrappa did the configurator right because they made it a high-end product, right? Like, as much as I want Lamy to allow you to go in and customize your Lamy Safari and maybe charge 50 or 60 bucks for it, the amount of work involved in that is really, really huge, right? Yep. But if you take a premium brand and create a premium configurator, you can manage it a lot better and you can meet the needs of the people who are using this configurator, right? It's not for everybody. You walk into the configurator, you're spending four figures just as a base, right? It's just that's how this product is designed. So, they work with Johnny.

'''Brad:''' I seeked his advice for when we were still beta testing the platform. Like, how cool is that? Hey, Johnny, we're working on this thing. Can I ask you a couple questions? I know, right? That's pretty cool. Yeah. So, on to the pen. So, the pen model is called the Extra. The Extra 1930 is the specific design and it's a traditional Montegrappa design. For those who are fans of Montegrappa, you recognize this shape, right? This is a shape used throughout their product lineup but with different details for different items for different pens in the lineup. So, the Extra 1930, this has like a fully silver trim. He has upgraded the barrel to mammoth ivory. So, I had some questions about this. Is mammoth ivory a literal description? Is this like some type of acrylic, like the name of some kind of acrylic or celluloid or something like that? So, I asked Carrie to send me those deets and this is what mammoth ivory is.

'''Brad:''' Cured by nature for more than 70,000 years, ancient mammoth ivory features a rich organic grain and a handle echoing epochs predating humankind. Found above the Arctic Circle in the Siberian permafrost, this rare material is ethically sourced. It's ethically sourced and carries its own certificate of origin. It's real. Like, it's literal. It's literally mammoth ivory.

'''Myke:''' This is not a thing you can buy. Now, on their website, on the Financial Times' website, the model they are showing is the Tusk model, which is an ivory colored acrylic. Look, so, I think we've gotten to the bottom of this.

'''Brad:''' It's vintage barrel material on a modern pen design. Is that what you're alluding to?

'''Myke:''' I think the pen that Johnny Ive showed the Financial Times or mentioned was the Montegrappa Extra 1930 in a special design, like a limited design that he got access to, made from mammoth ivory. Like, because I would expect it would look similar to the one that the Final Times ensourced and took pictures of.

'''Brad:''' Incorrect. Incorrect. Oh. If you click the link, it brings you to a configurator build of this exact pen, including the mammoth ivory barrel.

'''Myke:''' Where is this?

'''Brad:''' Which link? It's the shortened URL because it was like 500 letters. Did I not put it in there?

'''Myke:''' Oh, you put it in the notes for me. Okay, let me go take a look at this now.

'''Brad:''' So, yeah, that's my mistake. I didn't make that clear that this is the link to the exact pen and it prices out at 4,700 euros. So, like five. So, this is the mammoth ivory one? Okay.

'''Myke:''' Because they do make one called Tusk, which looks basically the same. Which would be, hey, the more reasonably priced version. No, but no. Okay. So, all right. I'm confused. When I click the link that says Tusk on the extra custom website. Don't do that.

'''Brad:''' But when I do that. That is not a link I have provided you in this document. Right. What I'm saying is. You're on your own here.

'''Myke:''' But I'm, if you allow me to speak. On the extra custom website, there is a pen model called Tusk that is the same price. Ah, okay. So, that's where it takes me. Gotcha. Right? So, I don't. Oh, yeah. Okay. And it is mammoth ivory when you click into it. Okay. So, they have a configuration, just a standard configuration called Tusk. That configuration is made of mammoth ivory and features the same silver adornment. So, it may actually be the pen then.

'''Brad:''' Yeah. So, this is not a vintage pen. Right? It's not a vintage pen. It's a modern pen.

'''Myke:''' I think we may have gotten to the bottom of this. That could actually be Johnny Ives' pen in that imagery. I may have been wrong about that. But I think the thing that we have cleared up is that it is a vintage pen. It is not. It is a modern pen that you can just go and buy if you want to put down $4,000 of your own dollars.

'''Brad:''' Right. Right. Exactly. So, yeah. This is a, for lack of a better term, an available pen. Right? This is not completely. This is a specially made pen. But like Myke said, you could, you too, if you have the money, could go have this pen. Looks nice. From Johnny. It's not an off-the-shelf pen, but here is the way to build his exact model. And that's what this link will have in the show notes. And you see now why I shortened the link. Yeah.

'''Myke:''' It's actually so long that RCMS is rejecting the link. So, I have to also use your shortened link. Yeah.

'''Brad:''' It's too long. Because it's a configurator, right?

'''Myke:''' Oh, they make Bitly links, too. I'm going to use that.

'''Brad:''' Good. So, this is a link where all the buttons have been clicked for this pen, right? To get you to the final price and the final design. So, the final item, Myke, is the Elmo that he mentioned. Yep. I am a huge Elmo fan. Let me clarify that. I'm a huge Elmo fountain pen fan. Montegrappa Elmo fountain pen fan. Brad likes to tickle fountains. What can I say? I do. I do prefer that. I did try to make a Cookie Monster Inc recently, Myke.

'''Myke:''' These are beautiful pens.

'''Brad:''' So, the Elmo lands, not this model. The standard Elmo landed in the best pens under $200 category. It checked in right at $200. And I was shocked that it was actually that Montegrappa came in at that price point. This is usually like the starting price point. So, this link for this one is €310. So, like €325, you know, €330. US dollars, somewhere in that range. And that's normally like the price of Montegrappa's a little bit fancy, but still kind of in the starting point of their fountain pen lineup range, right? So, when they redid this Elmo, and the model that I had is called the Cross Gentian. I don't know. It's got a really long name. About as long as that URL. And it was exactly $200. It's a great shape. It's a great feel. It's got this great steel nib. And this is the same exact model as far as the barrel shape goes, the Elmo barrel shape, but with a different material. So, this is a newer material than I have. This one came out last year, I think. Late last year. Using this recycled material. And it's just a really neat product. And there's actually three different colors you can get it in. This is the link that was provided to the one that he buys for gifts. Which I thought that was great. Thanks, Giuseppe. That was some information there. One of these days, I might get one of these. I probably maybe replace my current Elmo with one of these models. Just the upgraded barrel material Elmo. And it's just a cool pen. This is a universally quality. I hate using the phrase entry level on a $300 pen. But this is kind of like your first big Montegrappa purchase without breaking the bank. It's an expensive pen. But that's kind of like the entry point for the really good Montegrappa stuff that I appreciate. So, I have two pens in this price range. The Elmo. Which is around $200. Then I have the Mia. The Meteor Shower Mia. Which is around $300. And I also have the Montegrappa. Montegrappa. Which is in that $3 to $350 category too. So, they make a lot of great pens in that $200 to $350 category that I just genuinely love. So, yeah, it was cool to see that Johnny Ive appreciates this pen for what it is. And is willing to gift people this pen. I think that says a lot. Anytime any person bestows a gift on you of a specific product that they love, they take it pretty seriously. So, I thought that was pretty cool to see that. So, all in all, Myke, this was fun. This is not where I thought this article was going to go. But thank you to Financial Times for doing such a poor job that it made us ask more questions. And thank you to Carrie at Kenro and Giuseppe at Montegrappa for giving us the answers that we asked for. And even more of that. So, it was great.

'''Myke:''' That's so good. I'm so happy we did this. Thank you for doing that. Yep. Yep. No problem. All right. We should start making our own lists.

'''Brad:''' Yeah. So, this is a challenge. We're going to play the role of Johnny Ive. And here in a second. And I am interested to see what goes on here. So.

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'''Brad:''' So before I got all of this Montegrappa information, in the show notes I had written as part of this topic, do you have any must-have tools, Myke? Like, do you have a must-have podcast tool? Like, is there something special that makes you, you know, that you have to have when you create? Do you have must-have writing tools, stationary tools? So I said, let's, you and I, explore this a little bit because as I thought about this list that Johnny I've created, I came up with almost nothing that I would be comfortable putting as must-have in a list like this, right? I think it's a little bit more. I'm taking a much more nuanced look at this and, like, a very particular type of nuance at this. But then I thought about it. I came up with, like, two definitive things and then, like, a third thing. And there has to be more. So do you want me to try to explain what I've put down here first?

'''Myke:''' Yeah, ma'am.

'''Brad:''' The Notco Sinclair is my favorite pen case of all time. Agreed. Jeff Bruckwicky designed this case. It is the perfect pen case for the things that I like to do and the way I like to carry things and the amount of things I like to have and the access to those tools that I like to have. It is the, if I had only one pen case for the rest of my life, that's the way I looked at this list, Myke. Like, if I'm picking the thing to last me for today and for the rest of my life and be the one thing, so maybe I'm looking at this wrong. Like, I took a very strict view of this, which is why I had such a short list. But I'm putting the Notco Sinclair on it, and I just think it's that good of a product.

'''Brad:''' So, yeah, that is 100%. The first thing that came to mind. The second thing was reasonably easy to make the list, and it's the Rotring 600 in silver. The older the model, the better. Like, I would actually pay money for a model older than mine. Mine is about 10 to 12 years old, which I love, and I will have this pencil for the rest of my life. It is one of the best products ever made. It is, it will last you a lifetime, you know, with obviously proper care and use, things like that. And that was it. Like, that's what I came up with. Like, no fountain pens, you know, standard pens. We're going to talk about one I did put down that I would probably pick over everything else. But must have, you know, one and only type of things. I had a really tough time with that. So, I could probably spend some more time and really think about this more. But the third product, and I was thinking about at this point filling out my Sinclair. The Sinclair's made from three, has three pen slots in it. So, I'd have the Rotring 600. The second one I'd have would be the Spoke Pen, which is the barrel that Brian and I collaborated on for Spoke Design to use the Uniball Signo DX Refill, which I prefer the .38 Refill. It's just kind of one of the great all-time refills that I love using. And that's a pen that I use all the time. I keep it on my desk. I keep it near at hand at all times. And that's where I stopped. Like, I couldn't even pick a third pen or pencil to go into my Sinclair. And you'll notice that I didn't pick a fountain pen. I'm trying to think, is there a must-have fountain pen for me, despite having, like, literally hundreds of fountain pens? Could I narrow my fountain pens down to one fountain pen? And I couldn't. I think you will probably, even if you're not going to put this in there, you know, you would probably go, like, M90 or something like that. Like, I couldn't even go as far as going, like, just the Murex. I don't know. Maybe I could eventually if I thought about it. But, yeah, I took an extreme view of this list. Maybe that's the wrong way to look at it and just have more of the things I really enjoy. But then I go from this very strict list to, you know, a list of 50 to 100 things. And I was trying to thread the needle, and I didn't do a very good job. You might have done a little bit better job at that than me because I kept it on a strictly stationary basis.

'''Brad:''' What about you? You took a little bit wider view, but also a very, very cool view and a cool perspective at this.

'''Myke:''' I'm doing what I think these articles are meant for and what I think Johnny's was. I think that maybe DFT kind of framed it a little weirdly. This is like, give us a list of things that you love that you would recommend to someone. And so that's what I've gone with. This is not a complete list. This is just something like I threw this together in 10 minutes, but I would actually like to think about it some more. So we might come back to this. But it's a selection of items that I own and are important to me or I think are things I would recommend to people. So one is a Bellroy wallet. I've had multiple slim Bellroy wallets. The model that I have, they no longer sell it. I don't know why, which is really disappointing to me. And that makes me sad now because if I ever need to replace my wallet, I'll have to get a different one. But I've used Bellroy wallets for years and I've been very, very happy with their product options.

'''Brad:''' I actually use a Bellroy wallet as well and it's kind of like the only wallet I would use. It's a different model than yours, but I didn't know if you knew that I too use a Bellroy wallet because it's the design. It's a design-based type of wallet that it gives me everything I need and nothing that I don't. So yeah. So we'll put that in the show notes too. So your one is the Apex Slim. Apex Slim. Yeah.

'''Myke:''' I tend to like their card holders. So they're not like you have bifold. It's opens. I don't have any of that. It's slim. Yeah. And as small as possible.

'''Brad:''' Yeah. I'm front pocket only wallet for 30 years.

'''Myke:''' See, I'm back pocket. So I'm slim and small. Yep. The Apple AirTag in their leather keychain. I think AirTags are fantastic. It's one of my favorite things Apple's done in years. I own the Saddle Brown keychain. I think that they have done a great job of designing a good-looking keychain. It's just a good-looking keychain. And it also happens to have an AirTag. Obviously, you have to buy one and put it in there. But you can also laser engrave the AirTags. And so I have to have my initials on it. So I just think I have a very attractive keychain that also helps me find my keys if I lost them.

'''Brad:''' Right.

'''Myke:''' Obviously, if I was going to make a list of things that I think are things people should own in their lives, I'll put a theme system journal in there. Yep. One of my favorite little items that I own is the Paul Smith Travel Clock. It is a collaboration between Paul Smith, which is my favorite clothing brand, and Braun. Mm-hmm. It's a £35 travel clock. And it's beautiful.

'''Brad:''' Yeah, see, this is the kind of thing I like. If I were to expand my list, these are the type of things I would want to see on that list. Things that I use in my everyday life, maybe not stationary-related, that I just get pure enjoyment from. Yep. And appreciation from their design or their functionality or their usefulness to me personally. This is exactly the type of thing that I think is great for this type of list and conversation.

'''Myke:''' Yep. I will actually also add a Paul Smith Anglepoise lamp to this collection here.

'''Brad:''' Mm-hmm.

'''Myke:''' So the lamps that they do in collaboration with Anglepoise are just beautiful. I've bought one as like a celebration for the studio. It sits here on the desk with me. Nice. I love it. It's like that classic, almost Pixar-like lamp design. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. But the clock is just such a nice little thing. And it's like, it was a lovely gift that I got for Christmas from Medina. And it's just like, I love it. It's got the Paul Smith stripe on the second hand. Like, it's perfect.

'''Myke:''' If I was going to also choose like a pen, I would choose the Mark I. Like, this is to me in that element of like, what is a product that you love that you would give to someone? Mm-hmm. The Mark I is definitely that for me. I totally agree with that. I thoroughly, wholeheartedly recommend, if you are an Apple Watch owner, the midnight leather, oh, no, sorry, not midnight specifically, but the leather link bracelet. So this is the leather strap that has magnets that runs all the way down. Mm. So you can put it on. Is that what all the ridges are? Yeah, they're all magnets. Okay. So it allows for adjustability. It's nicely adjustable, stays in place. What I like about this strap specifically, I think it significantly elevates the look of the Apple Watch. Mm-hmm. I will say it is one of the, I think, rarer owned bands because people, it is more expensive. Mm-hmm. And then people tend to go with the sport bands because there's more choices of them. There's only four color options in the little link. Right. I think it elevates the Apple Watch and makes it look like a better watch than it is. Mm-hmm. And more stylish. Yeah, that's interesting. I've never seen that before. I want to get the green one. I have the midnight, which is like a bluey black one. And I've been meaning to get the green one too because I just think it does a great job of making the watch look more stylish than I think it is. And then if I was going to choose a keyboard, it would be the 65 by Mode Designs. Now, this keyboard is not available at the moment. They have two other keyboards available. One is the 80, which I also recommend. And then a keyboard that they've got upcoming is in pre-order right now called the Sonnet. I love their products. Like Mode are the apple of keyboards. Okay. In my opinion, from like the quality of the product but also the buying. They started this with the 65 and they do it with the Sonnet too where you can – they have a fantastic tool on their website where you can go in and like customize the options. It's like that configurator we were talking about earlier. You can choose all the materials. You can get them really up there in price. These are expensive tools. I will also say Mode are going to be a sponsor on upcoming episodes of Upgrade. But I have bought two of their keyboards now – well, actually three of their keyboards now out of my own money. Because I genuinely love their product and I'm an advocate for it and I want to be able to speak more about it. So I think they make truly excellent stuff. So that would be – I feel like I had to put something keyboard related on here. And honestly, this is the one I would recommend to most people even though it can get up there in price but you will get your money's worth.

'''Brad:''' That's why I wanted to do this with you. Like mine is very like stationary centric but I like having these additional accessories. Like I don't know that I have things outside of like my pens and papers. Like I could probably pick out a notebook to like add into my thing. I'd probably pick, you know, a Musubi notebook. A Musubi bank paper notebook would be one of my like must-haves. That would be my Johnny Ive level product. Like, you know, more expensive than you need to pay but worth it because of the quality and the emotion that it brings. You know, it's like a $200 note. Not always but like $130. I think my last one was like $130 or something like that. It was worth every penny, right? That would be on my list. So, yeah. Very cool.

'''Brad:''' Financial Times. Call us.

'''Brad:''' Financial Times. If you need the real work done, let us know. Let us know. Or at least, you know what? Let us interview Johnny Ive. Your answers would have been a lot better.

'''Myke:''' Yep. Or, you know, if you want to print a correction in an upcoming article, you have our permission as long as you credit us. Yep. That works. If you would like to find, there's lots of links for this episode, of course. If you would like to find them, you can go to relay.fm slash penad. Addict slash 513. You can find a bunch of information. You can find links if you want to sign up to become a member and support the show. Don't forget, you'll get our bonus content that way, too, and access to a bunch of great benefits. If you want to find Brad online, you can go to penaddict.com. You can find him. He's penaddict on Instagram. Dowdy is on Twitter. I am iMike. I-M-Y-K-E. You can go to cortexmerch.com. We have a bunch of great products available for you there. I will say this, but I don't know how helpful it's going to be. We have some more of our Mark 1s going in stock soon. Nice. But I think they're going to sell out almost immediately. We have a wait, like a- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're managing the wait list. Yeah. I think the email list is, last time that I checked, over four times the amount of stock we will have available. So I don't know how long that will be. But there will be more. There will be more. And I want to do a different color as well in the future. But you'll have to wait and see about that. Nice. Thank you so much to Uni and Squarespace for their support of this week's episode. But of course, thank you for listening. And we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye, Brad. Goodbye, Brad.

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