Editing The Pen Addict 489/transcript (section)

== Map of the World Confusion ==


'''Brad:''' Yeah. Yeah. Which Tomoe River do you mean?

'''Myke:''' Yeah. It's like, you know, I have to be like the 2021 iPad Pro. Yeah, exactly. So trust me, I feel you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The 2018 iPad Pro. The iPad Pro with mini LED display.

'''Brad:''' That is very true. Very true. We have it easy compared to the digital world.

'''Myke:''' Maybe.

'''Myke:''' All right. What is this? What is this that you've given me? What is this? I don't understand what this is. I've read this thing and I've looked at the thing and I don't understand what this is.

'''Brad:''' All right. So we're going to share a link in the show notes today. And let me read the email. Okay. And then we'll get to the link. So this is from John, listener of the show. Since the question in August. I don't know what that means. That's probably Google. Who knows? I'm already in trouble. I have listened to all the Pen Addict episodes and have purchased an embarrassingly large number of pens. Welcome, John. You're one of us. Thanks to you and Myke for introducing me to the area. My Christmas card featured a pilot, Mew. How cool is that? You inspired me to create a tool to see the world of inks better. Below is a picture that shows about 1400 inks in a perceptually friendly way. Sweep over an area in the top graph and the ink brand and names are revealed in the table. The graph on the right encircles the selected inks and puts them in the context of all the inks. You select one brand on the top and select all of the inks in the top graph. The plot in the lower right shows you how the brand covers the spectrum of colors. So in short, this is pick a brand and it will show you their color representation of their current ink offerings across the color spectrum. Right. So if you're looking for this brand, do they have a color in this range? Right. So John sent us a link and the data comes from Fountain Pen Companion and the colors are the crowdsource hex codes. So, yeah, lots of caveats implied. But this is a tool that John built just for fun and wanted to share with us. And I've been messing around with this. And you can change like the plotting of the colors from colorfulness or lightness. Right. You can check off like if you go to like Ackermon where you know they only have about 30 something inks. Right. You can see that's a good place to start is something small.

'''Myke:''' They have more of the oranged brown.

'''Brad:''' Yeah. You can see. Oh, boy. I get it now. They really only have. So tell you where I got lost.

'''Myke:''' I have thought that this was like a map of the world. I don't know why. And I got very confused. Yeah. But now I understand. It's like a color spectrum. It's a color spectrum. Brown to red or something.

'''Brad:''' Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, light to dark, top to bottom, and then the colors from left to right. So you can see where these things are represented. You know, it's just like it's a fun thing. Right. And then you can, you know, then you can figure out like, okay, do you want to plot that over pilot's inks? Yeah. And you can see, you know, where pilot fills in some of the gaps that Ackerman doesn't have. Like in the yellows, like pilot has a bunch of like different yellows and oranges that Ackerman doesn't have.

'''Myke:''' So like if you were trying to use this, you could be like, oh, I tend to like blues. And then you can kind of have a look at, oh, this company has a lot of blue inks or whatever. Yeah.

'''Brad:''' Speaking of which, let me click Robert Oster for the blues. Robert Oster. There's loads of that.

'''Myke:''' There's a lot in there. I think the benefit of, for me, what I like about this is it shows the benefit of freely available and open data. Yes. When you have data that is available from something like Phantom Pen Companion, you end up with people being able to make things with it. And you can, maybe that thing isn't worth it to you, but it could be worth it to someone else. But by having this kind of data set, it also helps people who are collecting the data understand like what can we do to maybe make the data better for people to use. Like it, there's just, I think there's a real benefit to having this kind of open and freely available data. And this is an example of that.

'''Brad:''' Yeah. It's really fun. And I'm sure there's, there's like more things we can do with it. Cause I'm just sitting here clicking all the buttons, but I like, I like. This is a fun thing.

'''Myke:''' Now I understand it. It's before I didn't get it.

'''Brad:''' I like seeing the scope of things. Like you click on bung box and they like have like almost like an equal representation. Like they're really heavy on the reds and pinks, but then across the board, it's like super like evenly represented across all the colors. Like when I was looking at Ackermann, there's like huge gaps in the range.

'''Myke:''' Weirdly, basically every single brand of the indexes in orange and red.

'''Brad:''' Yeah. Let me see. And let me pull up Robert Oster again. So yeah. Orange and red. Blue and purple. Seems very popular. A lot of green. Hmm. Oh, let me do Noodlers. Hang on. I'm looking at this.

'''Myke:''' Like diamond is like, it's like a million colors. Yeah. Yeah. In the red and orange area.

'''Brad:''' Yeah. It's red and orange and then purple. That's the Brad Dowdy effect. That's what we'll call that. Yeah. That's what it is. But yeah, it's red and orange and then blurple is like the next, it's the line between blue and purple piece on most of these.

'''Myke:''' They seem to be the two big groups. What is also interesting to me, because like there's a.

'''Brad:''' Except Robert Oster, they're not as high in blurple. They're more in blues and.

'''Myke:''' They've got a lot of green. More green than others do. Yep. So it goes, it goes in height. I don't really know what the axes are here. Right.

'''Brad:''' So lightness towards the top. Okay. If we're on the same colorfulness setting.

'''Myke:''' Yeah. On colorful. Because on the far left column, which is where a lot of the reds and oranges are, every brand, it like goes really high there. Right. And that doesn't reach those heights with basically any other color. Right. Right. So anyway. It's really weird and really cool. And if you have no idea what we're talking about, you've got to go check the website out. If you haven't looked at the website, there'll be a link in the show notes. It's just ink map. You won't have any idea what we're talking about. This would just sound like nonsense.

'''Brad:''' Yeah. So separate from this, John sent me a link to an interesting data point. And I don't have a direct link. And you would have to do some, you know, you'd have to have Fountain Pen Companion pulled up side by side. But there's a range of pink inks that he wanted to pull out from here. And he says, I've also attached an interesting sweep of the colors that show hope pink, which is a diamond color, and hellfire, which is a noodler's color, being almost the same color. So you can, if you like bright pinks, you can be hopeful and have the hope pink, or you can have hellfire and be the same pink color. So that was, that was, that's my kind of data point that I like. It's like the same color, but what does the name represent to you when you put the ink on the page? And sometimes it's hope and sometimes it's not, Myke.

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