Editing The Pen Addict 190/transcript (section)

== Criminal Podcast ==


'''Brad Dowdy:''' Speaking of best strange podcast, Criminal. Have you ever listened to Criminal?

'''Myke Hurley:''' No, I'm familiar with it.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah, I'm familiar with it because it's a very, very popular podcast. But I got sent this link. This past week, they had a sketch room artist on there. It's a short episode. There's, like, a 20, 25-minute episode. It was fascinating. I listened to – her name is Andy Austin. And she had so many neat little tidbits in this podcast. It's not necessarily about art and art supplies, but it's about how she basically had no experience.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' She was in a courtroom. She wanted to be a journalist. And she got some advice from, I guess, one of her – I don't know who – I'd have to go back and listen to it. Who gave her this advice when she was in journalism school? She said, everybody can write. Not everybody can draw. So she was in the courtroom as a journalist one day, overheard someone saying that their courtroom artist wasn't going to be there the next day. Said she could – went up – walked up to that person and said, I can do that. And 43 years later, she's just retired from being a sketch room artist. It was just a fascinating, fascinating story. And she said, what's different with her is, you know, all these courtroom artwork you see is generally in either chalk or colored pencil. She works in ballpoint with watercolors on top. Wow. And you can tell in her artwork that it's actually different. And it was just a really good episode. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I wrote down, like, several quotes from it in just, like, a 20-minute show. I learned lots of little things, lots of neat little tidbits. And they did a little good talk.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Well, this is one of those things. This is such a pen addict's thing. Yeah. That this is unnecessary. Like – What do you mean? You don't need to do it the way that she's doing it. Right. He's putting more effort in than is required. Yep. You know? Do you get what I mean? Like, this is obviously harder to do, right? Because otherwise everyone would do it this way. Right. Right. She's putting – like, these are so much better than the courtroom drawings I've seen.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Right. So, like, one of her – I guess probably the biggest trial she ever did was John Wayne Gacy, who was basically an American serial killer. Um, and one of the things that I noticed that I've never seen in other courtroom drawings was when she has a chart of the – one of the attorneys up there going over this chart. You can literally read the words on the chart. That's what I'm talking about. Anyone else would just do, like, a scribble line. They would be more focused on the attorney or the courtroom.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah. You don't need to do that.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah. She actually has legible writing on this card, what they were presenting that day.

'''Myke Hurley:''' And the picture of John Wayne Gacy where the orange and yellow is, like, blended in together. Right? But do you see what I mean? Like, it's not a criticism because we all do it, but it's the going further than necessary because you enjoy the tools.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Right. Right. Like, she has a lot more detail in –

'''Myke Hurley:''' She's effectively painting him as opposed to doing a courtroom drawing of him.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yep. Yep. So –

'''Myke Hurley:''' That's amazing.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah. So, 43 years worth of doing this, and it was a fascinating episode. Yeah, the episode's only 17 minutes long. Oh. I'm going to put it on my list. Yeah. When I listened to it, I got, like, an hour's worth of entertainment out of it. It felt like it was that good. I enjoyed it.

'''Myke Hurley:''' That is the thing with those types of shows, like, the heavily edited shows and stuff that I've done like this as well is what you're doing is taking out a lot of the chitter-chatter, right? Like, so all the stuff that me and you have. Right. So, all you're getting is, like, incredibly condensed information, which when I listen to these types of shows, they always feel way longer than the one or two hour shows that I put together. Yeah. Because your brain is, like, working every single moment. Yeah. Yeah. Not a criticism, which is a different style, but it's one of the reasons that I personally prefer the types of shows that me and you do. Sure. Because they're easier listening.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, you know, those shows are informational. Our shows are personal. Does that, I think, is that, do you think that's accurate?

'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah. We're, like, character-driven personality shows. Right. I think that's the difference. Like, this is a personality-based show rather than an information-based show. We talk about a lot, but the key thing in our show, we're very meta now, the key thing in our show, as was pointed out in that amazing Best Strange Podcast article, is it's our relationship that makes the show enjoyable.

'''Brad Dowdy:''' Right.

'''Myke Hurley:''' Right. But anyway, that's enough podcast inside baseball.